Current Events > Cash or Nine Inch Nails?

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I prefer the Cash version, but I'm glad the NIN version was used in Rick & Morty.

Trent may have wrote it, but Johnny absolutely made it his and even Trent will tell you that.
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TheGrindery posted...

NIN version

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EverDownward posted...

Trent may have wrote it, but Johnny absolutely made it his and even Trent will tell you that.

This. And that's from a NiN fan

Cash's version is just so good
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Kermit version>all
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gunplagirl posted...

Kermit version>all

DUDE! LINK!

TheGrindery posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Kermit version>all

DUDE! LINK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ta7mkgrOU

I saw her say it and it got me looking it up. It's not bad. If anything it makes me want to listen to the original song again.
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Nine Inch Nails all the way .
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cjsdowg posted...

Nine Inch Nails all the way .

It was right to use it for when Rick turned himself in to the galactic government.

TheGrindery posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Nine Inch Nails all the way .

It was right to use it for when Rick turned himself in to the galactic government.

That was the first time I ever heard that version . I was like what the heck is this.. it's pretty good.
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NIN are overrated. The Downward Spiral was an ok album, but I've never heard anything from Reznor worthy of all the praise he gets
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

TheGrindery posted...

NIN version

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synth_real posted...

NIN are overrated. The Downward Spiral was an ok album, but I've never heard anything from Reznor worthy of all the praise he gets

I never gave them a real shot because CLOSER annoys me. I first heard Hurt because of Cash liking it enough to cover it.

The band name sounded too much like they were trying to be hardcore/cool.

7 people so far are objectively wrong
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So the songwriter is nobody.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

TheGrindery posted...

NIN version

The Cash version is shit
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Cash version is good but the NIN version is a classic song off a classic album
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They're both good, they just work for different things. Cash's was perfect for the Logan trailer. NIN for Rick and Morty
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synth_real posted...

NIN are overrated. The Downward Spiral was an ok album, but I've never heard anything from Reznor worthy of all the praise he gets

IDK he's one of the most talented musicians of the modern day. He's always fought to make the music he wanted to rather than what will just make the most money. He's always treated his career in music professionally as an artist rather than an entertainer.

He also has his hands in fucking everything.

Quake 1 ost, CoD Black Ops 2 ost, Social Network ost, Girl With the dragon tattoo ost, Gone Girl ost, Lost Highway ost, and many others.

He's also basically responsible for Stabbing Westward and Marilyn Manson. He's inspired tons of derivative work. He's done fucking collabs with shit so far out of the fucking blue it's like you Don't even know it's him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdIgXD1-93U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZL0ZmkWhc

He's also leaked his own shit for free when it got stuck in legal limbo with labels because he cares more about fans being able to hear his music than money. After going indie, he released Ghosts and the slip for free.

Dude is all around great and a model for all musicians imo
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Conflict posted...

Nobody cares.

lol someone in this thread does
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I don't really care for that song, but Cash in general is a hell of a lot better than NiN.

Tyranthraxus posted...

synth_real posted...

NIN are overrated. The Downward Spiral was an ok album, but I've never heard anything from Reznor worthy of all the praise he gets

IDK he's one of the most talented musicians of the modern day. He's always fought to make the music he wanted to rather than what will just make the most money. He's always treated his career in music professionally as an artist rather than an entertainer.

He also has his hands in fucking everything.

Quake 1 ost, CoD Black Ops 2 ost, Social Network ost, Girl With the dragon tattoo ost, Gone Girl ost, Lost Highway ost, and many others.

He's also basically responsible for Stabbing Westward and Marilyn Manson. He's inspired tons of derivative work. He's done fucking collabs with shit so far out of the fucking blue it's like you Don't even know it's him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdIgXD1-93U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZL0ZmkWhc

He's also leaked his own shit for free when it got stuck in legal limbo with labels because he cares more about fans being able to hear his music than money. After going indie, he released Ghosts and the slip for free.

Dude is all around great and a model for all musicians imo

I appreciate what he has done, but The Downward Spiral is his only really good CD. Pretty Hate Machine is okay.
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Zodd3224 posted...

I appreciate what he has done, but The Downward Spiral is his only really good CD. Pretty Hate Machine is okay.

Nah. The Fragile is already better than TDS and there are some great tracks on all his albums.
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The Fragile is his best work. And I say this as somebody that was heavily, heavily, heavily invested in all of his work up to Ghosts between 2007 and 2010 (even though he had released more material after that, I stopped at Ghosts).
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I remember when Trent Reznor told people to download his music because the industry's pricing was bullshit. That did the direct opposite of what happened with Metallica.

Cash's is more depressing and just sad. Reznor's is more of a pained lashing out.

Both are great, for different reasons.
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TheGrindery posted...

I remember when Trent Reznor told people to download his music because the industry's pricing was bullshit. That did the direct opposite of what happened with Metallica.

Metallica later admitted they made a mistake and were lied to by their labels about what was happening and bought it Hook line and sinker.
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Johnny Cash by far.

Just because NIN says the word "shit," that does not automatically make it a better version of the song. I'll give them credit for originating the song, and they did a really good job of it, but that song was tailor made for Johnny Cash.

Zodd3224 posted...

Pretty Hate Machine is okay.

Probably my favorite lyric Trent ever wrote comes from that album.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

TheGrindery posted...

I remember when Trent Reznor told people to download his music because the industry's pricing was bullshit. That did the direct opposite of what happened with Metallica.

Metallica later admitted they made a mistake and were lied to by their labels about what was happening and bought it Hook line and sinker.

Metallica WAS NOT WRONG. Money GOOD....Napster BAAAD!

Except nobody cares because free equals more money in your wallet. I never once pretended downloading shit was right. I did it because I could and I knew they couldn't get everybody and they wanted the distributors rather than the people downloading from them.

Reznor's version was about being 29 and addicted to heroin.
Cash's version was about being 71 and falling completely apart of old age and diabetes.

I'll just let someone else explain it better:
https://thoughtcatalog.com/zaron-burnett-iii/2013/07/hurt-that-time-when-johnny-cash-stole-trent-reznors-best-song/

Tyranthraxus posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

I appreciate what he has done, but The Downward Spiral is his only really good CD. Pretty Hate Machine is okay.

Nah. The Fragile is already better than TDS and there are some great tracks on all his albums.

I listened to about half an hour of that album before I got tired of it, it sounded like a generic 2000's movie soundtrack to me. The only thing he ever did that I actually thought was pretty good was his cover of Joy Division's Dead Souls.

Tyranthraxus posted...

He's also basically responsible for Stabbing Westward and Marilyn Manson.

You say that like it's a good thing.
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Old and dying John somehow managed to make Aloha Oe vaguely depressing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZiX0oO_3Ls

The top comment from the Cash version tells how Trent feels on the subject and is a GREAT read!

Trent Reznor says about the Cash version of Hurt: "I'd been friends with Rick Rubin for several years. He called me to ask how I'd feel if Johnny Cash covered Hurt. I said I'd be very flattered but was given no indication it would actually be recorded. The idea sounded a bit gimmicky. Two weeks went by. Then I got a CD in the post. I listened to it and it was very strange. It was this other person inhabiting my most personal song. I'd known where I was when I wrote it. I know what I was thinking about. I know how I felt. Hearing it was like someone kissing your girlfriend. It felt invasive". Johnny played this song over 100 times before he recorded it. He called it "The best anti-drug song I ever heard." The song was released as a single in 2003. "One Hour Photo" director Mark Romanek said: I begged Rick Rubin to let me shoot something to that track being instantly enamored of the rendition, he offered to shoot the video for free. Universal eventually agreed to the music video, but with 71-year-old Cashs health declining and being unwilling to stay long in the cold Tennessee weather as he was going on holiday to his ranch in Jamaica that coming Saturday, Romanek had only days to make the video and after scouting in Nashville, he decided upon Cashs home and museum in Hendersonville, Tennessee, The House of Cash. "Arriving on Friday with no idea of what I was going to make" Romanek said. "I looked around the house and made a few suggestions of where we might film Johnny performing. I was making it up off the top of my head. Then I went to the House of Cash Museum and found it in total disrepair. There was no time to clean it up so I decided that I'd just film it, and Johnny, exactly as they were. He was no longer in his prime - he was fading and that was what I wanted to show. The place was in such a state of dereliction. Thats when I got the idea that maybe we could be extremely candid about the state of Johnnys health - as candid as Johnny has always been in his songs. While I was filming the opening segment of Johnny playing guitar in his living room, his wife, June, came down the stairs and watched. The look on her face was so complex: full of love and pride and concern for her husband. So I asked her if I could film her too and she agreed. But the most important element was when we discovered a film archive in the museum. When we looked back at the rushes we'd filmed at the house we thought they were good but not great. But once we dropped in the archive footage of Johnny we realized that was the soul of the video. The whole thing was so spontaneous. It's made me realize that sometimes you can be too prepared and that there's some value to urgency."

Questionmarktarius posted...

Reznor's version was about being 29 and addicted to heroin.
Cash's version was about being 71 and falling completely apart of old age and diabetes.

I mean it's more like Trent's version is about regretting how he destroyed his own life at 29 because of heroin and depression and Cash's is about regretting being a raging asshole to everyone for 70 years and wishing he could take it back.
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The music video speaks about the transience of life, the gracelessness of death, the Ozymandian crumbling of an oeuvre and the decline of a genre, an era and an attitude. The closed to public sign on the museum. The cracked platinum records. The caviar and lobster banquet with no diners. The clips from earlier in Johnnys career. His wife June looking on. The closed piano lid. The video was so intimate that Cash's management didn't think it should be released, and Johnny was leaning in that direction. According to Rick Rubin, it was his daughter, Rosanne Cash, who convinced Johnny to let it go. June died May 15th, 2003, three months after filming, Johnny died September 12, 2003 four months after his wife. Rick Rubin said of the video: I cried the first time I saw it. If you were moved to that kind of emotion in the course of a two-hour movie, it would be a great accomplishment. To do it in a four-minute music video is shocking. I think the hurt video is a historical document, it's like looking back across a life." Trent Reznor was sent the video while in the studio with Rage Against the Machines Zach De La Rocha, and, when the pair sat down to watch it, any doubts he had about the cover were long gone. We were in the studio, getting ready to work and I popped it in, said Reznor. "Tears started welling up. I realized it wasn't really my song anymore. It just gave me goose bumps up and down my spine. By the end I was really on the verge of tearsthere was just dead silence. There was, like, this moist clearing of our throats and then, Uh, okay, lets get some coffee.' It really, really made sense and I thought what a powerful piece of art. I never got to meet Johnny but I'm happy I contributed the way I did. It felt like a warm hug. It's an unbelievably powerful piece of work. After he passed away I remember feeling saddened, but being honored to have framed the end of his life in something that is very tasteful. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I highly recommend checking it out. I have goose bumps right now thinking about it. Having Johnny Cash, one of the greatest singer-songwriters of all time, want to cover your song, that's something that matters to me. It's not so much what other people think, but the fact that this guy felt that it was worthy of interpreting. " There will NEVER be another Johnny Cash, and there will NEVER be another video like this. A sad footnote to a sad story, Cashs home of nearly 30 years in which the video was shot, burned down in 2007.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Reznor's version was about being 29 and addicted to heroin.
Cash's version was about being 71 and falling completely apart of old age and diabetes.

I mean it's more like Trent's version is about regretting how he destroyed his own life at 29 because of heroin and depression and Cash's is about regretting being a raging asshole to everyone for 70 years and wishing he could take it back.

Yeah, pretty much.
Getting dead within the year just makes John's version even more about regret.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Reznor's version was about being 29 and addicted to heroin.
Cash's version was about being 71 and falling completely apart of old age and diabetes.

I mean it's more like Trent's version is about regretting how he destroyed his own life at 29 because of heroin and depression and Cash's is about regretting being a raging asshole to everyone for 70 years and wishing he could take it back.

Yeah, pretty much.
Getting dead within the year just makes John's version even more about regret.

At least Hell isn't real. We don't have to worry about him being in a ring of fire.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Reznor's version was about being 29 and addicted to heroin.
Cash's version was about being 71 and falling completely apart of old age and diabetes.

I mean it's more like Trent's version is about regretting how he destroyed his own life at 29 because of heroin and depression and Cash's is about regretting being a raging asshole to everyone for 70 years and wishing he could take it back.

Yeah, pretty much.
Getting dead within the year just makes John's version even more about regret.

They're both fairly intimate songs, but as far as popping something in the stereo to listen to, I think Trent's version is superior. I feel as though the video is almost required to truly appreciate Cash's version.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

I feel as though the video is almost required to truly appreciate Cash's version.

I'll just put on American 4 and let it roll. That's a great album.

I wanna add, though. I completely disagree with Trent's assessment that it'll never happen again because it already did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JqH1M4Ya8
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Tyranthraxus posted...

I wanna add, though. I completely disagree with Trent's assessment that it'll never happen again because it already did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JqH1M4Ya8

Is Blackstar worth buying?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Is Blackstar worth buying?

I can't make that call. I am extremely picky about what I buy these days.
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Also dying musician:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4K0scMysc

I went and looked back at the reviews The Fragile got. I knew Pitchfork absolutely roasted it when it came out, gave it a 2 out of 10. 18 years later Pitchfork gave it a 9.
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Incidentally, I recent bought all three Highwaymen albums that I know to exist.
Kris will probably be the next to go, unless Willie gets dead from his flu.

What if Nall from Lunar is 9 inches tall?

EverDownward posted...

I went and looked back at the reviews The Fragile got. I knew Pitchfork absolutely roasted it when it came out, gave it a 2 out of 10. 18 years later Pitchfork gave it a 9.

It was pretty bizarre honestly. Critics really didn't give it a chance. The initial reviews slamming it really bothered Trent and it wasn't until Year Zero did he realize while re listening to the fragile just how good it was and the critics were just morons.
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