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spudger
02/17/18 12:03:49 PM
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President Trump's national security adviser said Saturday that Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections is beyond dispute, marking a sharp reversal of Trump's frequent dismissal of alleged Russian cyber-meddling as a "hoax.
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Rexdragon125
02/17/18 12:15:38 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charged-election

Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Trump
DoJ indictment alleges Russian operatives communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign

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Skye Reynolds
02/17/18 12:16:47 PM
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Much like deflated balls in the NFL, calling out cheating means nothing if you don't revoke the victory of the winner.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:21:12 PM
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Meanwhile,

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Shitposting oin Facebook to help Trump in exchange for nothing: meddling

Giving monetary contributions to Clinton in exchange for Uranium: not meddling
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FLUFFYGERM
02/17/18 12:22:13 PM
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Is this the Democrat version of complaining about voter fraud? lmao
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Phantom_Nook
02/17/18 12:22:51 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:25:13 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.
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E32005
02/17/18 12:29:49 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.

shes meddling scum. just like donald.
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whitelytning
02/17/18 12:31:07 PM
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Spooking posted...
Russian trolling is considering "meddling"?


Yes. If you consider what happened "trolling".
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:31:13 PM
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E32005 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.

shes meddling scum. just like donald.

So why isn't she being investigated?
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:31:53 PM
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whitelytning posted...
Spooking posted...
Russian trolling is considering "meddling"?


Yes. If you consider what happened "trolling".

That is literally the extent of their "meddling" involving the election.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/17/18 12:32:05 PM
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It's downright frightening that the usual suspects on CE are just completely fine with this
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TrollSlayer11
02/17/18 12:32:20 PM
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*Russian's shit posting memes on Instagram and Facebook*

OMG they hacked the election!!!
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:33:41 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
It's downright frightening that the usual suspects on CE are just completely fine with this

It's downright hilarious how Democrats think they lost because some Russians trolled people on Facebook.
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SomeonesAlt
02/17/18 12:33:45 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
E32005 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.

shes meddling scum. just like donald.

So why isn't she being investigated?

Let's get the incompetent idiot who can't figure out how to cover his tracks out of the way before tackling Clinton (again). Let's get a Watergate under our belt before Benghazi 2.0
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TheVipaGTS
02/17/18 12:34:34 PM
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Another nation meddled in our election, used propaganda against american citizens, in an attempt to get an administration into the white house for their own benefit, so they could take advantage of said administration....and people on CE are perfectly ok with that notion. So much for being the strongest Super Power. I guess if people are going to be ok with other Powers doing this....
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:35:16 PM
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SomeonesAlt posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
E32005 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.

shes meddling scum. just like donald.

So why isn't she being investigated?

Let's get the incompetent idiot who can't figure out how to cover his tracks out of the way before tackling Clinton (again). Let's get a Watergate under our belt before Benghazi 2.0

The FBI can investigate more than one thing at a time, can't they?

Well, unless it involves a guy who has the police called him 39 times and was warned about violent threats, but still.
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Sephiroth1288
02/17/18 12:35:38 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Another nation meddled in our election, used propaganda against american citizens, in an attempt to get an administration into the white house for their own benefit, so they could take advantage of said administration....and people on CE are perfectly ok with that notion.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
It's downright hilarious how Democrats think they lost because some Russians trolled people on Facebook.

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whitelytning
02/17/18 12:36:18 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
whitelytning posted...
Spooking posted...
Russian trolling is considering "meddling"?


Yes. If you consider what happened "trolling".

That is literally the extent of their "meddling" involving the election.


Did you read the indictment? Simply calling it "trolling" is just being dishonest with what happened. I get that there isn't evidence of direct hacking into voting machines or something like that but its hardly neckbeards posting topics about liking steak being well done or pineapple on pizza.

So far we know about a Russian created and Russian funded organization whose sole purpose was to create disinformation to effect the results of the election. Call it trolling if you want but it doesn't change what happened or how it will be treated under the law.

Edit: I in no way am arguing that it was the cause of Trumps win.
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coolboy11
02/17/18 12:36:25 PM
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and people on CE are perfectly ok with that notion.
because they are a "European" nation imagine Japan (a stretch since they are a pretty key ally but go with it damn it) or China doing this shit and watch the reaction....
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TheVipaGTS
02/17/18 12:37:52 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Another nation meddled in our election, used propaganda against american citizens, in an attempt to get an administration into the white house for their own benefit, so they could take advantage of said administration....and people on CE are perfectly ok with that notion.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
It's downright hilarious how Democrats think they lost because some Russians trolled people on Facebook.

Irrelevant. Whether or not its the reason we lost how can you be ok with that happening? If you dont think their propaganda and manipulation with the troll posts played a hand in this last election youre in complete denial.
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E32005
02/17/18 12:38:21 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
E32005 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
but HillaREEEEE

Hey if you want to talk about meddling in the campaign then let's talk about meddling in the campaign. I for one am pretty sure that a several-million dollar payout is a lot more useful to a campaign than 13 extra trolls are.

shes meddling scum. just like donald.

So why isn't she being investigated?

i think she was at some point. she definitely fucked over bernie by colluding with the DNC.

fact remains; Trump is president, not her.
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TheVipaGTS
02/17/18 12:39:00 PM
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I also love how the narrative went from fake news this never happened! Come on Libs nothing burger! To ok it happened but it isnt why you lost...never change CE.
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Rexdragon125
02/17/18 12:40:55 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41807131

The indictment spells out exactly what they did. They were, "impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the Federal Elections Commissions, the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S. Department of State".

Then there are the additional crimes of wire fraud and identity theft. They were buying stolen identities and using them to open bank accounts that appeared to be owned by Americans, then using those to carry out transactions in support of the conspiracy, including raising money within the US. This element seems to be connected to the plea deal revealed today of a US citizen who was selling identities for this very purpose.

And the trumpeters are so far up their own ass they're still fine with this. Russia doesn't have their best interests in mind.
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Kolibri X
02/17/18 12:42:06 PM
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Still trying to make this a thing. Sad.
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Hornezz
02/17/18 12:43:36 PM
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Spooking posted...
Russian trolling is considering "meddling"?

Well besides a massive propaganda campaign spreading lies with ads, fake news, impersonating americans.. there's also hacking of voter registration computers and hacking the DNC and spreading the stolen info.

But yeah, 'trolling'.
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E32005
02/17/18 12:44:53 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
And the trumpeters are so far up their own ass they're still fine with this. Russia doesn't have their best interests in mind.

as an 80s kid I remember the cold war drama and the republican rhetoric for decades. Its pathetic and hilarious how they now magically move their moral goalposts to accommodate Russian acts of war.
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wackyteen
02/17/18 12:50:19 PM
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E32005 posted...

as an 80s kid I remember the cold war drama and the republican rhetoric for decades. Its pathetic and hilarious how they now magically move their moral goalposts to accommodate Russian acts of war.

Russia is our friend!

Russia has always been our friend!

Please ignore the Russian mobsters on nearby rooftops! /s
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E32005
02/17/18 12:51:32 PM
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wackyteen posted...
E32005 posted...

as an 80s kid I remember the cold war drama and the republican rhetoric for decades. Its pathetic and hilarious how they now magically move their moral goalposts to accommodate Russian acts of war.

Russia is our friend!

Russia has always been our friend!

Please ignore the Russian mobsters on nearby rooftops! /s

and now, like the chinese, they our buying our land and our debt.

in 50 years we will be primarily owned by china and russia. and it started with donald fucking trump.
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TrollSlayer11
02/17/18 1:24:01 PM
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E32005 posted...
wackyteen posted...
E32005 posted...

as an 80s kid I remember the cold war drama and the republican rhetoric for decades. Its pathetic and hilarious how they now magically move their moral goalposts to accommodate Russian acts of war.

Russia is our friend!

Russia has always been our friend!

Please ignore the Russian mobsters on nearby rooftops! /s

and now, like the chinese, they our buying our land and our debt.

in 50 years we will be primarily owned by china and russia. and it started with donald fucking trump.


If you think any of this began with Trump you're stupider than I thought.
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spudger
02/18/18 12:26:35 PM
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E32005 posted...
fact remains; Trump is president, not her.

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scar the 1
02/18/18 12:46:35 PM
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https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
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