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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 1:47:53 PM #1: |
Like, for example, in Lufia 2, the first time you fight
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SSJGrimReaper 02/18/18 1:49:45 PM #2: |
no point really since most of them still act like you lost in the cutscene after the battle
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JE19426 02/18/18 1:50:03 PM #3: |
I quite like them. Much better than the ones that you can't win, but the game doesn't tell you, or the ones you need to last so long but the game doesn't tell you.
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Tenmyouji 02/18/18 1:52:25 PM #4: |
As long as it's clear that you're supposed to lose I'm ok with them. Hate wasting resources just to discover that it's a scripted loss.
Also like games that throw seemingly impossible fights but have a reward or scenario if you manage to actually win. --- -Shousen- http://psnprofiles.com/Shousens ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 1:53:33 PM #5: |
SSJGrimReaper posted...
no point really since most of them still act like you lost in the cutscene after the battle You typically get some reward for winning. It's only the fights where the enemies are so ridiculously overpowered that the developer did not intend a way to win to be feasible but it's winnable regardless through some exploitation of mechanics or bugs or cheat devices does winning play out exactly the same as losing. In Tales of Xillia 1 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 1:53:57 PM #6: |
When they at least acknowledge it, they can be fun. The only time it ever really works consistently is one of those "fight them and if you win you get a title/ item/ when you win or lose your character gets a power up regardless and then the real fight begins" though even that last one requires the lead up in the story actually making sense in pacing and whatnot.
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FL81 02/18/18 1:54:27 PM #7: |
They're great, but only if you get a good reward for actually winning.
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yusiko 02/18/18 1:55:10 PM #8: |
i like the ones with a prize for winning or an alternate scene.
like in phantasy star 2 --- yusketeer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 02/18/18 1:56:55 PM #9: |
What about when you lose easily
Think "oh, ok I'm supposed to lose this fight" Then you get the game over screen? --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:00:05 PM #10: |
yusiko posted...
i like the ones with a prize for winning or an alternate scene. The Disgaea series has had a few endings related to winning or losing certain fights. Beat the level 3000 boss at the end of chapter 1 in D3? Secret ending. Really sad one. Only achievable on a ng+ or higher. Lose a fight against the prior stage and you get a ng+ and a silly ending which perfectly suits the character you lost to. Same with the end of chapter 1 boss in 2. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:02:19 PM #11: |
Turbam posted...
What about when you lose easily Several enemies in kingdom hearts or similar games. Enemy has huge bursts of aoe attacks that aren't easily dodged or have tracking on them that limits your ability to dodge anything else they throw out. Or they have some secret weak spot you have to exploit but you wouldn't have any idea if it is your first time playing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 2:02:46 PM #13: |
Oh. I think the game that did this the best is Chrono Trigger.
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BlueBoy675 02/18/18 2:03:39 PM #14: |
asagi_mode_gone posted...
Turbam posted...What about when you lose easily I can't think of a single KH boss that gave me the vibe I was supposed to lose --- Hope rides alone ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:04:19 PM #15: |
fenderbender321 posted...
What about battles where you can win by not attacking the enemy. Are we talking ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 2:04:30 PM #16: |
fenderbender321 posted...
What about battles where you can win by not attacking the enemy. In FF4 FF5's --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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King Rial 02/18/18 2:05:30 PM #17: |
BlueBoy675 posted...
asagi_mode_gone posted...Turbam posted...What about when you lose easily --- I use Google... A lot.... >______> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 2:05:55 PM #18: |
BlueBoy675 posted...
asagi_mode_gone posted...Turbam posted...What about when you lose easily --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 02/18/18 2:07:03 PM #19: |
My favorite are the ones where you're fighting the boss for a long enough time, and you use all your items on it thinking it's worth it, then you figure out its a scripted boss so you let yourself lose only to find out it wasn't a scripted boss in the first place and you're just garbage so you put the game down for a year while you think about your life.
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/18 2:08:03 PM #20: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
My favorite are the ones where you're fighting the boss for a long enough time, and you use all your items on it thinking it's worth it, then you figure out its a scripted boss so you let yourself lose only to find out it wasn't a scripted boss in the first place and you're just garbage so you put the game down for a year while you think about your life. Then you go back after a year and realize you forgot how to play and then you give up --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:08:38 PM #21: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...asagi_mode_gone posted...Turbam posted...What about when you lose easily This and a riku CoM boss but I'm struggling with the name ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 02/18/18 2:10:09 PM #22: |
One thing that really bothers me is when you have to win a very hard fight, but the cutscene treats it like you lost.
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Second_Chances 02/18/18 2:11:25 PM #23: |
much better than just plain scripted fights where the enemy is at your current level and easy as shit but once you get them to 50% a cutscene plays when they one shot you and genuinely losing just gets you a game over
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:15:25 PM #26: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...My favorite are the ones where you're fighting the boss for a long enough time, and you use all your items on it thinking it's worth it, then you figure out its a scripted boss so you let yourself lose only to find out it wasn't a scripted boss in the first place and you're just garbage so you put the game down for a year while you think about your life. The hardest xenosaga 2 bosses were the last ones minus the final boss Now then, Most bosses have a steal and rare steal item. They also have a drop and rare drop. That boss had one of the best rare drops in the game. The ability extracted from it is only beat by the unique items like the swimsuit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yusiko 02/18/18 2:19:29 PM #28: |
the hardest boss in xenosaga 2 was orgulla
though i found her really easy when i did my shion solo challenge playthrough of the the series --- yusketeer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 02/18/18 2:28:52 PM #29: |
yusiko posted...
the hardest boss in xenosaga 2 was orgulla Bersker lady is a push over just don't push the damage past 10% increments without making sure everyone is at least at 2/3rds health. With shions aoe heal it's a lot easier. Though momo was truly queen of the second game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yusiko 02/18/18 2:35:25 PM #30: |
asagi_mode_gone posted...
Bersker lady is a push over just don't push the damage past 10% increments without making sure everyone is at least at 2/3rds health. With shions aoe heal it's a lot easier. Though momo was truly queen of the second game. shion, ziggy and chaos all got ripped off in episode 2 their attacks all do elemental damage so they are only good against certain enemies shion is great against machines (probably why orgulla was so easy with her solo) ziggy is great against human/animals enemies chaos is great against gnosis (which are barely in episode 2) but they barely hurt anything else. and yeah MOMO was great in episode 2 provided you had jin or KOSMOS knock the enemy into the air or onto the ground then MOMO would deal obscene amounts of damage. --- yusketeer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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