Current Events > Black Panther is about to out gross Justice League's entire theatrical run

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_MorningStar posted...

littlebro07 posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Honest question though, how do we make things right now? In WB's demand of streamlining things, what can possibly right this ship? We can't just reintroduce characters again. Unless they are Spiderman.

Just reboot the whole damn thing.

Except Wonder Woman. That can remain part of the new DCCU.

People will bitch for a bit but accept it, like they did with both Spiderman reboots.

I agree that you can reboot it. In fact, I think that is the best course of action. But that means we have to give up Dianna. There is no feasible way to keep her ant not everyone else. Or the interconnected universe means nothing. At best we could get Dianna from another earth, but even then she would have a different personality. Legit makes me sad. Fuck you Snyder.

:(

Such a shame that the one good movie in the bunch has to be scrapped because the others sucked.

Maybe keep Gal Gadot at least? She was so damn proud of that role :(
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Man, Justice League felt like three movies rolled into one plus it didn't help how shitty Batman is in both this movie and in Batman vs Superman, I get they wanted to show a bitter,jaded, losing hist touch side of Batman, but that shit doesn't mean anything if there's no proper set up for it, we're just thrown into it, doesn't help that a shittier movie about Batman villains teaming up to save the world because of the government came out before that and gave us the lamest Joker to ever grace a big screen so it makes Batman look even worse for losing to that guy.

Then there's Superman, how do you fuck up Superman of all characters? Everything about him is pretty simple, the only way they could make worse is if he were Injustice Superman
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Honestly they should just focus on making good movies. Individual movies. Make people like their Batman, Superman etc. and then worry about tying them all together. If something isn't working (like Lex Luthor or Joker) just try something else. There's no point hobbling all of these future movies because of mistakes make years ago.

Once these movies are on a roll then make a new Justice League. Explain any inconsistencies with 'multiverse shenanigans'

If the new Batman trilogy starts from scratch I wouldn't care at all.

I don't think they should scrap Wonder Woman. She stands on her own for the most part anyway.
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_MorningStar posted...

Honest question though, how do we make things right now? In WB's demand of streamlining things, what can possibly right this ship? We can't just reintroduce characters again. Unless they are Spiderman.

You just stop. That's all.

Flash and Wonder Woman don't need to change, I think they're in a pretty good spot right now.

Aquaman needs some character development, hopefully we'll get it in the upcoming movie.

The biggest issues lie with Superman. I mean, I know it was a long time ago, but we should bring back the personality of the Silver Age Superman for the movies. He needs to act enthusiastic, energetic, and optimistic. When he's saving random people, he needs to do it in ways that don't make it look like there's an ongoing apocalypse behind him.

Batman has been dramatically improved and I believe we'll see continual improvements.

I don't have any ideas on how to improve on suicide squad. They maybe just need to do the less-is-more approach. Just keep it down to Deadshot, Harley, Katana, and Boomerang and fuck everyone else. Especially Rick Flagg.
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BvS killed my interest in the DC franchise aside from Wonder Woman standalone films. It'll take phenomenal reviews and word of mouth for me to really go see one of their films now, much in the same way that I had no interest in seeing either Garfield Spider-Man film or the recent X-Men films. I can't even guess how many reliable movie-goers like me were just turned off by the franchise and their interest was just killed as well.

Meanwhile, Marvel films are at least consistently entertaining, though there have been occasional ones like Ant-Man that I didn't see out of lack of interest. Black Panther at least looks interesting, so I'll give it a shot. There have been misses, but there's still a track record of quality in there and banked goodwill for me.
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If Marvel can get a good Magneto and Dr.Doom DC is destroyed movie wise and god help them if they manage to bring a real Galactus into the fray and Fantastic Four movie that doesn't suck ass except to gawk at whoever plays Sue Storm
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The sucky thing about DCEU Superman is that Cavill could be a fantastic Superman if he was given the opportunity to be one. If they had some Flashpoint shenanigans where his father didn't die in his timeline his character could be salvaged.

But that would probably just be too confusing for audiences. Especially if they made a new Superman movie.

I think Affleck needs to go honestly. He's too old. How is he supposed to stick around for a trilogy that's still a couple of years away from starting?
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littlebro07 posted...

_MorningStar posted...

littlebro07 posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Honest question though, how do we make things right now? In WB's demand of streamlining things, what can possibly right this ship? We can't just reintroduce characters again. Unless they are Spiderman.

Just reboot the whole damn thing.

Except Wonder Woman. That can remain part of the new DCCU.

People will bitch for a bit but accept it, like they did with both Spiderman reboots.

I agree that you can reboot it. In fact, I think that is the best course of action. But that means we have to give up Dianna. There is no feasible way to keep her ant not everyone else. Or the interconnected universe means nothing. At best we could get Dianna from another earth, but even then she would have a different personality. Legit makes me sad. Fuck you Snyder.

:(

Such a shame that the one good movie in the bunch has to be scrapped because the others sucked.

Maybe keep Gal Gadot at least? She was so damn proud of that role :(

And it's a god damn shame because, I hate being that guy, it was the first real super heroine movie(fuck that garbage Catwoman movie). And it was really good. And I will be the first to admit, I HATED the casting of Gal because she was so god damn small and thin. But man did she take the ball and fucking run with it. And made a really compelling character. So much so, that my wife who knows nothing about comics and whom I dragged to see BvS, really loved WW. That's what you should strive for in a super hero movie. To get people who wouldn't normally watch one invested.

And she HATED BvS. I took her on her birthday. And her literal words were "Its called Batman vs Superman, and yet it took 2 hours to get to the fight. It takes less than 10 minutes."
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Darmik posted...

I think Affleck needs to go honestly. He's too old. How is he supposed to stick around for a trilogy that's still a couple of years away from starting?

I am hoping (But not very much) that the reason they picked Ben is because they're trying to lead into Batman Beyond, as well as be able to introduce Damian Wayne and explain why he's already a teenager.
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_MorningStar posted...

And she HATED BvS. I took her on her birthday. And her literal words were "Its called Batman vs Superman, and yet it took 2 hours to get to the fight. It takes less than 10 minutes."

I think the most offensive thing about that movie is not only did they fight for the dumbest of reasons but they stopped for even dumber ones and while Superman should always have the upper hand in his and Batman's scraps throughout the ages this time it felt like Superman was phoning it in, like maybe letting Batman beat his ass would get him to leave him alone
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As someone who liked Man of Steel and BvS. I thought Justice League was atrocious.
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Corrik posted...

As someone who liked Man of Steel and BvS. I thought Justice League was atrocious.

*Runs towards tornado*
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Not surprising... DC squandered their decades worth of chances to do what Marvel is, then tried to rush it to catch up. It's fucking embarrassing.
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SlashmanSG posted...

I literally just finished watching Justice League. It was great, I don't see what the problem is.

No Marvel logo.
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Man of Steel wasn't bad and Cavill makes for a good Superman. I actually liked the thought of exploring Clark struggling with the reality of who(and what) he is and what to make of himself. The problem is that he never really makes himself Superman, in either Man of Steel or the follow-ups. They really needed to slow-roll things before going into the team-up(Iron Man, Thor, and Cap all got their own movies before Avengers).

I also don't understand the hate for MoS. I liked it. And I loved that Zodd. Also, I think the ending was fine and can't for the life of me understand why people bitched about what Clark did.
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They should have backed up a Brinks truck full of money onto Christopher Nolan's front lawn and forced him to direct all the DC movies and paid Zack Snyder to stay at the farthest point on the planet from wherever the movies were being made.
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One of the problems with Man of Steel is the same problem that a lot of the DCCU has. It sets things up to tell the story of a new universe with their own interpretations of the characters, but then they demand the audience view things through the lens of past interpretations.

Like, so what if Superman kills Zodd? That's an established moral quandary for old Superman, not this new Superman. We're given no real indication in the film that this should be such a crisis of character for him, and yet it that's how they tried to portray it by inappropriately referring back to our understanding of his characterization in other series.

I wish there was a return of the dark fantasy type of superhero movie like Tim Burton's Batman. Not gritty and serious but still dark.
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_MorningStar posted...

I also don't understand the hate for MoS. I liked it. And I loved that Zodd. Also, I think the ending was fine and can't for the life of me understand why people bitched about what Clark did.

Same. The rest outside of WW has been trash though.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Honest question though, how do we make things right now? In WB's demand of streamlining things, what can possibly right this ship? We can't just reintroduce characters again. Unless they are Spiderman.

You just stop. That's all.

Flash and Wonder Woman don't need to change, I think they're in a pretty good spot right now.

Aquaman needs some character development, hopefully we'll get it in the upcoming movie.

The biggest issues lie with Superman. I mean, I know it was a long time ago, but we should bring back the personality of the Silver Age Superman for the movies. He needs to act enthusiastic, energetic, and optimistic. When he's saving random people, he needs to do it in ways that don't make it look like there's an ongoing apocalypse behind him.

Batman has been dramatically improved and I believe we'll see continual improvements.

I don't have any ideas on how to improve on suicide squad. They maybe just need to do the less-is-more approach. Just keep it down to Deadshot, Harley, Katana, and Boomerang and fuck everyone else. Especially Rick Flagg.

What about Cyborg?
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Dragonblade01 posted...

One of the problems with Man of Steel is the same problem that a lot of the DCCU has. It sets things up to tell the story of a new universe with their own interpretations of the characters, but then they demand the audience view things through the lens of past interpretations.

Like, so what if Superman kills Zodd? That's an established moral quandary for old Superman, not this new Superman. We're given no real indication in the film that this should be such a crisis of character for him, and yet it that's how they tried to portray it by inappropriately referring back to our understanding of his characterization in other series.

This is a really good point, honestly. There isn't any indication that Superman should give a fuck about that unless you've seen him in that position before and we haven't.
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Bishop9800 posted...

What about Cyborg?

I actually feel like Cyborg came into his own by the end of the movie. Not just with the "Booyah!" line, but he also manages to adopt a more classic costume kind of indicating that the reason his costume was jacked for the movies was because he still didn't have full control over his powers.
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Outside of Batman the characters in Justice League were fine really. Superman just has the issue of being a bit jarring thanks to his character BvS and Man of Steel.
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Darmik posted...

Outside of Batman the characters in Justice League were fine really. Superman just has the issue of being a bit jarring thanks to his character BvS and Man of Steel.

Outside of that one scene I thought Superman was better here than any other movie so far.

And Batman was fine.
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Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.
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Scaramanga posted...

Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.

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Scaramanga posted...

Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.

i dont know how anyone could watch Sucker Punch and think "This is the guy to lead our franchise"
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There were a lot of problems with the characters in Justice League.

Superman - basically had bipolar throughout the portion of the film he was in
Batman - better than BvS, but only because they tried to channel a worse version of MCU's Iron Man
Wonder Woman - she was good overall
Flash - relegated to comic relief for most of the film, but I'll give them props for a believable initial character arc
Aquaman - basically has no presence the entire film, and little to know characterization outside of one-liners and exposition
Cyborg - had a lot of potential, but the movie starts with his character arc in-progress and rushes through the development as a result

I4NRulez posted...

Scaramanga posted...

Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.

i dont know how anyone could watch Sucker Punch and think "This is the guy to lead our franchise"

They probably based it on 300 and Watchmen.

If you stick him on an adaptation of a specific graphic novel he'd be okay. He's great at recreating visuals. But give him his own creative control over a story? No. He has a fundamental misunderstanding of these characters.
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I4NRulez posted...

Scaramanga posted...

Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.

i dont know how anyone could watch Sucker Punch and think "This is the guy to lead our franchise"

I actually kinda liked that movie

But it's probably because of all the hot chicks fighting bad guys while wearing skimpy outfits
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Darmik posted...

I4NRulez posted...

Scaramanga posted...

Zack Snyder shouldnt have even been allowed to watch a DC movie.

i dont know how anyone could watch Sucker Punch and think "This is the guy to lead our franchise"

They probably based it on 300 and Watchmen.

If you stick him on an adaptation of a specific graphic novel he'd be okay. He's great at recreating visuals. But give him his own creative control over a story? No. He has a fundamental misunderstanding of these characters.

300 was good because it was mindless fun. The Watchmen adaptation was an abomination that is only watchable because of Jackie Earl Haley.
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