Current Events > It's kind of abusive how kids are forced to go to school for 8 hours a day

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then when they get to highschool they are expected to participate in club activites, afterschool activities, and community service or else they don't graduate. If an adult isn't supposed to do 8 hours of work a day then how can a kid handle going to school for 8 hours?

And they get 200 days off a year

nah
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You're right. All of them should just drop out of school and put more time into just fucking around like they do every summer.

School, for a kid who dares to a play a sport with homework included can be a 60 hour a week job. I always scratched my head as a kid when I was finishing hour two of homework and took a bathroom break only to have my parents, sitting on the couch watching TV, say to me "Could be worse, you could have to work, like us!"
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r4X0r posted...

School, for a kid who dares to a play a sport with homework included can be a 60 hour a week job. I always scratched my head as a kid when I was finishing hour two of homework and took a bathroom break only to have my parents, sitting on the couch watching TV, say to me "Could be worse, you could have to work, like us!"

yeah, life in general has gotten better for my free time
after school, practice, homework, etc. I had maybe an hour or two for free time. in college I mostly got my schedule to be open (even had three day weekends some semesters) but the constant nag of "you should be studying" was in the back of my head so I didn't even enjoy my freetime as much as I should have
contrast to my career where once i've put in my time for the day i'm free to enjoy my money with no tests or obligations
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School is so easy. How kids can get depressed from it is beyond me, little fuckers
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Kids are too stupid to properly manage their time and education, so we have to have laws like that.
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What's more annoying is being there 7/8 hours and day and them still sending hours worth of homework home from multiple teachers. I get studying and projects are a thing but if my kid is there from 8 in the morning to 3 in the afternoon, why does he/she needs multiple worksheets from multiple teachers do in the next day? Add on extracurricular activities after that and your time is gone.

It's even worse when the days are shorter, you spend all day in that s*** hole then when you are finally out you got like 3 hours until it gets dark outside which sucks if you like to do outside activities that require a certain amount of light to do well.

I do think the last year or two of high school is pretty meh. I still think 18 is a good base adult age but at 16 youre basically ready to join the workforce or go to community college full time at least.
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Lol, theyve already pushed school times back, pretty soon itll be optional or like a 4 hour school day. Cant wait for the kids being born now to get older and run this country. Its going to be a miserable next 10-15 years.
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8 hours a day then some nights 2-5 hours of homework plus whatever else you need to do. I do admit at my job at least when I go home that is it, I dont need to do paper work for hours.

Did your schools not have shorter days as you progressed at least in high school?

By 12th grade, I only had about 4 hours of class. Would go in at 8 and be out by 12:15ish.
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It's almost like preparing them mentally and physically to work a 40 hour week.

DoctorVader posted...

Did your schools not have shorter days as you progressed at least in high school?

By 12th grade, I only had about 4 hours of class. Would go in at 8 and be out by 12:15ish.

No, for me, in America, it was 8 to 3 from as early as I can remember to senior year. We definitely didn't get reduced school days as we progressed.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

No, for me, in America, it was 8 to 3 from as early as I can remember to senior year. We definitely didn't get reduced school days as we progressed.

Guess it must have been an NYC thing. I sometimes wonder how school in the rest of country was. School is NYC was completely different to anything I'd see in media for the rest of the country.
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DoctorVader posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

No, for me, in America, it was 8 to 3 from as early as I can remember to senior year. We definitely didn't get reduced school days as we progressed.

Guess it must have been an NYC thing. I sometimes wonder how school in the rest of country was. School is NYC was completely different to anything I'd see in media for the rest of the country.

Yeah, I assumed that you lived outside of the US when you made that comment because I never heard of anything close to that in the states.

I went to kindergarten in Staten Island, but then moved to Philly before 1st grade so my education was outside of NY.
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Homework should honestly be phased out by the time you reach high school. At that point most kids are getting their first jobs and starting the transition to adult life. Overworking them is counter-intuitive.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Homework should honestly be phased out by the time you reach high school. At that point most kids are getting their first jobs and starting the transition to adult life. Overworking them is counter-intuitive.

I disagree, it gives you experience in pressure, stress, and deadlines, which is common in the working world. It also helps build time management skills.
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The only abusive thing is how early they are forced to start. Nobody should ever be forced to wake up before 10am

Teenagers actually need almost as much sleep as babies and yet schools are forcing them to wake up at ungodly hours, keep them awake for way too long, and then shove a bunch of stuff after school to keep them awake further. And yet they wonder why students in earlier classes are in a less functional state than they are in later classes.

Now that's abusive, forcing people to try to conquer the natural rhythm of their own bodies.

I said fuck it and slept whenever possible. So what if I missed a bunch of homework assignments? I was in better shape in classes than my peers plenty of times.
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its how we are conditioned to accept being wage slaves
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MabusIncarnate posted...

I disagree, it gives you experience in pressure, stress, and deadlines, which is common in the working world.

Not all jobs have those things, or only about one or two. And if they already have an entry level job they are dealing with them already.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

to participate in club activites, afterschool activities, and community service or else they don't graduate.

wat

This is a thing.
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Kineth posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

to participate in club activites, afterschool activities, and community service or else they don't graduate.

wat

This is a thing.

Lol where

What fucking backwards state does this

I fail to see what's backwards about that. Regardless, I know this was a thing for me in Texas.
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there should definitely be a reevaluation of necessary coursework/available electives
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26_Sandman_39 posted...

Yeah what's backwards about forcing kids to do activities that have nothing to do with their education? It's bad enough our educational system is damn near crippling (especially in Texas, lol), now we gotta make sure these entitled brats know how to do arbitrary tasks too!

We weren't required to be in clubs, but we were required to do community service. I fail to see any issue with that at all. As for clubs, I imagine the purpose of that is to allow students to learn/be involved in something that's not just strictly scholastic. Besides, it helps bolster their applications for college. (Must have spaced out on my edit)

This was back in 2003 and yes, education standards have significantly fallen since then. Still, I fail to see what's entitled about doing community service. Where do you live at anyway?
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I think when applying to colleges in highschool, my school was always pushing us to be well-rounded. Making us play sports, act in school plays, even doing student government. All on top of the 5+ classes we had and the hw assigned after. All so we look better on college apps
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I've never felt as if the "standard" 7-8 hour, 5 days a week, work/school time was ever necessary. This is easily proven for school, as the average college course is generally approximately an hour or so, & only meets 2-3 times a week. Part of the purpose for grade school is just babysitting & busywork.

For work, I'd say it's partially a holdover from "production" based economies, such as farming & factories where more time meant more 'X' was possible. It's relatively pointless for a lot of industries, given we run more on skills & service based work. Even then, a lot of jobs eventually handing out pointless work mostly because "you're there" & so you aren't "getting paid to do nothing" regardless of how relatively meaningless the "something" is.
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Kineth posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

Kineth posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

to participate in club activites, afterschool activities, and community service or else they don't graduate.

wat

This is a thing.

Lol where

What fucking backwards state does this

I fail to see what's backwards about that. Regardless, I know this was a thing for me in Texas.

Not here in Houston
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I went to school from 7:15 to 2

Then I had study hall from 2 to 3

Then I had practice from 3 to 5:30

Then I worked from 6 to 10
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I wish I went to school where you guys went that let out early. Here in NJ unless it was a half-day we got out at the same time every day. I actually had to stay at school later because my mom got off work at 4:30 and the buses didn't have a route at my grandmas house so... was in after-care until high school. Sucked.
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El Mexicano Texano posted...

Kineth posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

Kineth posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

Anisoptera posted...

to participate in club activites, afterschool activities, and community service or else they don't graduate.

wat

This is a thing.

Lol where

What fucking backwards state does this

I fail to see what's backwards about that. Regardless, I know this was a thing for me in Texas.

Not here in Houston

Yeah, my school district up in the DFW area had it. Wasn't saying it's all that common, but it happened in Texas too.
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The most bullshit thing has always been the concept of homework. Like, listen bitch, you have me sitting in your class for 8 hours a day and you are now making me go home to enjoy my 4 hours of free time get cut in half to potentially 2 hours of free time because you're too inept to teach shit in a timely manner?

Fuck, that, shit. When that bell rang, I was going to eat cereal, play games, and talk to friends over which cheerleaders we'd not pull out of.
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r4X0r posted...

School, for a kid who dares to a play a sport with homework included can be a 60 hour a week job. I always scratched my head as a kid when I was finishing hour two of homework and took a bathroom break only to have my parents, sitting on the couch watching TV, say to me "Could be worse, you could have to work, like us!"

Yeah, work is vastly easier than school. Plus, you get paid to go to it, and if you really hate it you can find a new place to work.
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Complete_Idi0t posted...

And they get 200 days off a year

Lol this

I miss having that much time off
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Well you can't leave young children home by themselves, so there's some convenience there.
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DoctorVader posted...

Guess it must have been an NYC thing. I

It's not just a NYC thing. I know here in Austin, Tx, we got more and more "off periods" as we progressed. Junior year it was one "off period" (hour and a half) and my senior year it was two off periods.. that year I'd start school at 9 am and be out at 1 pm.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

DoctorVader posted...

Guess it must have been an NYC thing. I

It's not just a NYC thing. I know here in Austin, Tx, we got more and more "off periods" as we progressed. Junior year it was one "off period" (hour and a half) and my senior year it was two off periods.. that year I'd start school at 9 am and be out at 1 pm.

during my high school year. seniors could get off at about 1:30pm if they had a job or to work on the pacifica project (50 hours of community service). it wasn't so bad before. now they gotta do that and pass finals on subjects taken in senior year.

seniors had that privilege provided they were close to reaching 24 credits during the 4 years of school (could fail 8 classes) in electives and still passed.
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FomTumbled posted...

its how we are conditioned to accept being wage slaves

darkbuster posted...

Part of the purpose for grade school is just babysitting & busywork.

Both of these are true.
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Yeah, right. Let's have these kids roaming the streets aimlessly and causing trouble instead, or becoming loser internet addicts. Brilliant.
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Yeah I dont know what you guys are talking about. School was not 8 hours where I lived. It was much closer to 6 hours, including lunch and things like gym and band, and 6 minutes between each class to walk there (which adds up to an additional 40 minutes of non class time...with 40 minutes for lunch it meant that classes weren't even 5 hours of the day) . High school was 7:20 to 1:40, so Id be home by like 2:15 PM. Elementary school was 9:15 to 3:15, 6 hours flat.

Sports and clubs were for fun if you wanted to do it
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And lets not forget the amount of vacation time students get that adults do not
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HHH is the game posted...

And lets not forget the amount of vacation time students get that adults do not

vacation time was the best. got to stay home and play video games while doing the chores here and there.
parents were pretty lax long as one isn't getting into trouble or doing bad in school.

think high school ran for about 7 hours. lunch and the 10 min break times included. every tuesday or wendnesday in senior year i didn't have to go to school till about 10am because of study labs.
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