Current Events > CNN response on why teachers shouldn't be armed: they'll use guns more on blacks

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Junkratprime03 posted...

Trump is coming for your guns

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Anteaterking posted...

s0nicfan posted...

And YOU aren't properly putting those other studies in context of this one. If you're looking at the whole picture, there's nothing even close to enough evidence to conclude that teachers are more likely to shoot black students. Again: there's NO REASON to think that a study on minor punishments translates to murder rates.

Just looking at the methodology of the studies Antifar posted vs Fryer's, the first translate over more effectively to the type of situations we are talking about.

You seem to be trying to "disprove" the allegations by interpreting Fryer's study as claiming that police officers are less likely to shoot black people than white people. But what he claimed to have shown is that in duplicate circumstances less blacks were shot than whites. However, we're talking about adding guns to an environment which puts black students in these circumstances more often. E.g. If a security officer shoots a student 1% of the time they are called regardless of race, but security officers are called twice as often on blacks than whites for the same incident, then that leads to black students being shot twice as often.

Fryer's study looks at that and says "I guess race doesn't make a difference", because he's starting the equation at the point where the officer is called, not at the point of the inciting event.

But again, Antifar's studies have nothing to do with gun violence, and Fryer's study (even given your point) shows that there's a significant difference in how people act in minor infractions versus potential fatal ones. If we're being 100% rational here, Antifar's links do nothing to argue CNN's claim. My use of Fryer is primarily to show that how officers react in white v black situations varies depending on the severity of the interaction, and thus there's no reason to think that Antifar's studies correlate in any way with CNN's baseless claim.
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marc55 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

oh that definitely will happen.

black students are already given disproportionately heavy punishments, both in the criminal justice system and in schools. will be worse when you involve guns.

The teachers are intended to stop active shooters with their firearms. Do you think teachers are going start shooting black kids for lesser offenses than that? Do you think if a black kid got into a fist fight with another student that the teacher would open fire on them, whereas a white kid would need to start shooting people before the teacher would use their firearm?

if a student attacks a teacher and he /she has a gun
yep they will use it to protect themselves

And would you expect race to make a difference. Let's say a student just flipped and started attacking the teacher. Do you think the student's skin color would affect the teacher's willingness to use their firearm? And if so, why.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

marc55 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

oh that definitely will happen.

black students are already given disproportionately heavy punishments, both in the criminal justice system and in schools. will be worse when you involve guns.

The teachers are intended to stop active shooters with their firearms. Do you think teachers are going start shooting black kids for lesser offenses than that? Do you think if a black kid got into a fist fight with another student that the teacher would open fire on them, whereas a white kid would need to start shooting people before the teacher would use their firearm?

if a student attacks a teacher and he /she has a gun
yep they will use it to protect themselves

And would you expect race to make a difference. Let's say a student just flipped and started attacking the teacher. Do you think the student's skin color would affect the teacher's willingness to use their firearm? And if so, why.

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oh you are the type of troll who makes stuff up
i keep forgeting
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teachers should not have guns in the classroom but this is an empty and needlessly antagonistic take. it seems like someone is just trying to inject racial issues in a conversation that has nothing to do with racial issues
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