Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 163: Generous 2A Fault

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HaRRicH posted...

2/26/2018
TWITTER - Jennifer Epstein (Bloomberg)

Photographer from @epaphotos caught Stephen Miller nodding off during the hour-plus White House meeting on school safety.

*PICTURE OF EIGHT PICTURES OF STEPHEN MILLER SLEEPING*

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/968206366631395328?s=20

No wonder he looks so sleepy-eyed.

How is this dude 32. HOW

Every picture I see him he looks late 40s at best.
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I cannot accept that Stephen Miller is a 90's kid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#/media/File:Stephen_miller_june_2016_cropped_corrected.jpg

This just is not the face of a 32 year old.

Or a 42 year old, for that matter.

I NEED TO SEE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THIS MAN IS LYING ABOUT WHEN HE WAS BORN
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Seriously. Even if you still support trump in all this your positions must be:

-yeah Page did X and Y, but trump didn't know about that! He never would have worked with him if he knew.

-yeah manafort did X and Y... But trump didn't know about that!! No way!

-yeah gates/flynn/trumpjr/kushner/etc did X and Y, but trump had no knowledge of their unsavory dealings.

The only "innocent trump" is a trump that has managed to be blind to the wrongdoings of sn absurd number of his associates. If you are somehow still trump loyal despite the wealth of reasons not to be then that starts with the perceived guilt of people like Carter Page.

I mean, a lot of these you could easily just not care that much about mid level staff.

Like...Paul Manifort was the second of three campaign managers, and lasted for a couple months before getting fired.

Carter Page is an oil industry lobbyist, and was briefly a campaign adviser during the campaign.

For example, Obama hired (and then subsequently fired) Mike Flynn. I paid no attention to this at the time. Trump also hired and then fired Flynn. HOW CAN CONSERVATIVES NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS??? Probably the same way I didn't when Obama did it.

(Now, with Trump there seem to be a lot of such stories relative to the average administration, with one of the highest turnover rates of any administration and a lot of those being people who were fired. But you have to be paying attention to a lot of these individual stories to notice the larger pattern there, and none of these stories individually are stories you're likely to read in detail if you happen to already like Trump).
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metroid composite posted...

Trump also hired and then fired Flynn. HOW CAN CONSERVATIVES NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS??? Probably the same way I didn't when Obama did it.

In this particular case though, isn't there reporting that Obama explicitly warned Trump in their meeting before the inauguration about Flynn? Not to mention the various DoJ (think it was justice, at least?) warnings too that were ignored for weeks before anything was done (and when he was fired it was for "lying" to Pence rather than the actual substance)
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metroid composite posted...

I mean, a lot of these you could easily just not care that much about mid level staff.

metroid composite posted...

But you have to be paying attention to a lot of these individual stories to notice the larger pattern there, and none of these stories individually are stories you're likely to read in detail if you happen to already like Trump).

Yes, you could conceivably ignore one of the situations if you were to look at it in a vacuum. But we don't live in a vacuum, and they have all received a substantial amount of coverage including coverage that covers them as a group and as an existing pattern.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

metroid composite posted...

I mean, a lot of these you could easily just not care that much about mid level staff.

metroid composite posted...

But you have to be paying attention to a lot of these individual stories to notice the larger pattern there, and none of these stories individually are stories you're likely to read in detail if you happen to already like Trump).

Yes, you could conceivably ignore one of the situations if you were to look at it in a vacuum. But we don't live in a vacuum, and they have all received a substantial amount of coverage including coverage that covers them as a group and as an existing pattern.

Because any news that conservatives don't like gets dismissed as "fake news", and Fox News does its damndest to make it all look like a witch hunt.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/968302817906749440?s=19

#BREAKING: Trump EPA to shut down office handling research on chemicals' effects on children's health https://t.co/H7gHwSJqws https://t.co/5R63mQxLbS

"We care about children", "party of family values", etc etc
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43198404

According to censorship-monitoring websites China Digital Times and Free Weibo, censored phrases include:

I don't agree
migration
emigration
re-election
election term
constitution amendment
constitution rules
proclaiming oneself an emperor
Winnie the Pooh

This is probably Full Throttle's doing.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672

Presented without comment.
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what the hell is TrumpIsMyPresident doing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXC1XZKX0AAzcwV.jpg
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I'm seeing headlines about Donald announcing his 2020 campaign...what?

Can't look into them yet, but I know Donald applied with the FEC to be a candidate last year on the day of his inauguration. I think this is over a year earlier than the next earliest reelection bid too -- Obama in about April 2011.

Is the advantage here campaign funding (in a way he wasn't already getting from the FEC as mentioned above), shutting down primary challengers, dominating the news cycle, show of strength...? I don't get it.
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He's announcing his candidacy now so that he can hold a surprise election next week and win 2020 before anyone can challenge him.
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I voted today

Didn't even get a cheap "I voted" sticker for it LOL
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HaRRicH posted...

I'm seeing headlines about Donald announcing his 2020 campaign...what?

Can't look into them yet, but I know Donald applied with the FEC to be a candidate last year on the day of his inauguration. I think this is over a year earlier than the next earliest reelection bid too -- Obama in about April 2011.

Is the advantage here campaign funding (in a way he wasn't already getting from the FEC as mentioned above), shutting down primary challengers, dominating the news cycle, show of strength...? I don't get it.

What I read was it was his campaign manager who was announced today. Brad Parscale, who was the digital director on Trumps 2016 campaign.
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2/27/2018
THINKPROGRESS - NRA refuses to answer senators questions about funding from Russia

Earlier this month, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) issued a pair of letters demanding information on any financial links between the NRA and Moscow, or between the NRA and Russian nationals. The questions came after McClatchy reported that the FBI was investigating whether Alexander Torshin a Russian national who happens to be an NRA member, as well as the NRAs main liaison in Russia had used the NRA to funnel funds to Donald Trumps presidential campaign. Torshin, described by The Daily Beast as a Putin ally, has a history of laundering Russian money in Europe, according to Spanish investigators.

Instead of answering Wydens request, however, the NRA issued a terse letter denying that it received any funds from Moscow specifically designed to influence the election.

As a longstanding policy to comply with federal election law, the NRA and its related entities do not accept funds from foreign persons or entities in connection with United States elections, NRA secretary and general counsel John Frazer wrote to Wyden. Frazer added that the FBI has not contacted the NRA, and that McClatchys coverage refers to an investigation of Mr. Torshin not of the NRA.

https://thinkprogress.org/nra-moscow-letter-response-ce606fc127ed/

I've seen these articles occasionally trickling in the past few months from different sources each time...seems like reporters are scared to jump right onto this.

I get it, but if Russia and the NRA are in any way linked then that's huuuuuuuuge considering the NRA gave Donald $30,000,000 from a wing of theirs that doesn't have to report where its money came from.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/968516999545573377

Mueller's team has officially proposed dismissing charges against RICK GATES, following last week's guilty plea.

Sounds like they got what they wanted
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must have gotten something pretty good out of him
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TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672

Presented without comment.

I guess we now know what prompted this tweet
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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/968571663770988544

Alex Jones flustered because teens are bullying him online
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Mueller's in the house, yeesh -- guilty pleas to walking free doesn't just happen for no reason.
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TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672

Presented without comment.

https://mikecaulfield.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/dahzhxxumaazmnw.jpg?w=676
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Sounds like Kush is losing some of his security clearance.

How will we negotiate peace in the Middle East now?
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/968219052534632448?s=19

Trump administration fights states' crackdown on student loan collectors
https://t.co/eO44lwJIcW https://t.co/W9ww6Z218F

States rights! Jk only when it's convenient for discriminating against the lower classes.
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Let me make sure I don't have this reversed...

They are siding with the loan collectors? And not the people crippled by student debt which (correct me if i'm wrong) is still the nastiest and most lingering form of debt?
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Correct. Some states are trying to protect consumers from loan sharks that prey on unsuspecting students trying to navigate through the collegiate financial system. The administration wants to neuter that endeavor in order to reward predatory behavior.
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Some days you wish there existed real people like Nate Ford and his team in Leverage.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Let me make sure I don't have this reversed...

They are siding with the loan collectors? And not the people crippled by student debt which (correct me if i'm wrong) is still the nastiest and most lingering form of debt?

Peace___Frog posted...

Correct. Some states are trying to protect consumers from loan sharks that prey on unsuspecting students trying to navigate through the collegiate financial system. The administration wants to neuter that endeavor in order to reward predatory behavior.

So, what was that bullshit about the Republicans saying poor people should just go to college with money they don't have to get job skills for the sole purpose of making more than minimum wage?

At this point, Republicanism is literally a pyramid scheme.
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BowserCuffs posted...

At this point, Republicanism is literally a pyramid scheme.

well, yes

I am going to be so ticked if the GOP/NRA/Delta Airlines thing means I lose my direct flight from Atlanta back to Cedar Rapids through Delta.

Without that I usually end up having to have 2 layovers. One of them in Ohare. I hate Ohare.
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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/politico/status/968219052534632448?s=19

Trump administration fights states' crackdown on student loan collectors
https://t.co/eO44lwJIcW https://t.co/W9ww6Z218F

States rights! Jk only when it's convenient for discriminating against the lower classes.

It's shit like this(Along with the other crap that's going on) that makes me want to leave for a more habitable country.

But then I realize I have a laughably small amount of money, too much debt already to go back and try to get the skills needed to get a well paying job, and my health isn't good enough to do something like construction.

All because of a mistake I made 10+ years ago.
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I wonder who T_D types favor in the Kelly/Kushner issue

On the one hand, supporting Kellys decision means admitting fault in Trump

On the other hand, supporting Kushner means supporting a Jewish man
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Dark Young Link posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/politico/status/968219052534632448?s=19

Trump administration fights states' crackdown on student loan collectors
https://t.co/eO44lwJIcW https://t.co/W9ww6Z218F

States rights! Jk only when it's convenient for discriminating against the lower classes.

It's shit like this(Along with the other crap that's going on) that makes me want to leave for a more habitable country.

But then I realize I have a laughably small amount of money, too much debt already to go back and try to get the skills needed to get a well paying job, and my health isn't good enough to do something like construction.

All because of a mistake I made 10+ years ago.

Well, good thing the states are trying to hel-- oh, wait
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http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/27/florida-house-panel-rejects-ban-on-assault-weapons/

Relevant bit:

The goal: 10 marshals (teachers trained to carry a gun) in every school, which would equate to 37,000 statewide. The state would cover the costs of background checks, drug testing, psychological exams and 132 hours of training. The bill does provide a one-time $500 stipend for those who volunteer to have a gun.

A $500 stipend eh? I'm sure it's not a coincidence that it's about how much a glock costs. (Which I'm sure the state won't provide, so they'll have to buy their own)

"So teachers.. we now expect you to gun down a gunman in the event of an attack at the school. But we're going to give you a 132 hour course to train you, and a nice one time $500 bonus so you can buy a glock to do it with."
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Does a teacher get to keep their stipend if they decide they don't like carrying their gun to school? Say after a year? Two years? Five? Like, they do this service awhile so they should be paid...but can they stop if at any point they decide they see too many negative changes in surrounding behaviors and decide it's not worth continuing? If so, do they pay back the school/state or do they keep their money for ever taking on that responsibility for a period of time?

(allowing teachers to be armed at school is a bad idea in my book anyway, but if this is happening let's talk about it)
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I guess they wouldn't make them pay it back? IDK. It's just a one time bonus. 132 hours of training is a lot of training.
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Especially for only $500, that less than $4 an hour.
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$3.78/hour.

Man, ACTUAL babysitters make more than that, and the only requirement there is to be like 13 years old, and have a ride. And babysitters aren't going to take the blame if an armed gunman comes into the house, and shoots someone.
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I guess I'm also not clear when these teachers are supposed to get their training in. Are these 3+ full-time weeks of training supposed to happen in the summer. at night after classes, on weekends during the semester...?

Can one three-hour training be taken once a week for almost a year, or is there a teacher bootcamp?
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXDlNnbVAAAQMZ5?format=jpg&name=large

Ben Garrisons latest

STILL OBSESSED WITH HILLARY
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/968856971075051521

Why is A.G. Jeff Sessions asking the Inspector General to investigate potentially massive FISA abuse. Will take forever, has no prosecutorial power and already late with reports on Comey etc. Isnt the I.G. an Obama guy? Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!

I love how Sessions just sits back and takes all this abuse just for the opportunity to bust some stoners
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXDlNnbVAAAQMZ5?format=jpg&name=large

Ben Garrisons latest

STILL OBSESSED WITH HILLARY

what the hell point is he even trying to make

this is like something a child would slap together out of clipart when they're bored at their parents' work and all the computer has is microsoft office
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Hes trying to make the point that the Sheriff was a coward and that Hillary wants to take our guns
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2/28/2018
TWITTER - Brasilmagic (Exposing religious quackery)

JUST IN: The White House has canceled today's press briefing following the announcement that New York's banking regulator has requested information from Deutsche Bank regarding Jared Kushner, his financial data, and his companies.

https://twitter.com/Brasilmagic/status/968933917062557697?s=19

Well this is exciting.
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/968944315883032577

Trump says Florida police should have taken away the Stoneman Douglas shooter's guns "whether they had the right or not."

This is what the GOP stands for now
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hes trying to make the point that the Sheriff was a coward and that Hillary wants to take our guns

where the hell does the talking dandelion come in
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Liberal pansies?
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touche lmao
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/968945787437797376

Trump ribs Toomey for not supporting a 21-year-old gun age limit "because you're afraid of the NRA."

Trumps big mouth destroying the NRA narrative is welcome
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/968949929656946689

Trump says "I'm not even worried about 60 votes" on gun legislation because "it should be so easy."

Where have I heard this before...
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