Poll of the Day > Ranchers trying to define meat

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/02/25/ranchers-set-fight-back-against-vegetarian-fake-meat/371378002/

Just happened to see this. Do these companies actually ever call their products beef? I think the Impossible Burger is also the only one that uses the word meat.
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The things must not be half bad if ranchers actually feel threatened by it
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Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.
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Interesting. I wouldn't mind substituting ground beef with this plant-base meat. If I can satisfy my burger cravings while reducing my red meat intake, that's a win-win for me. Of course whether or not I'll get the proper daily nutrients intake is another question.

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.

Perhaps someone can correct me on this but as a whole don't meat products have a larger footprint compared to that of plant food? Also, I'd imagine some vegans and vegetarians do miss the taste of meat but don't want to eat the real thing either due to health reasons or moral reasons. This substitute might be the closest thing for them. Overall, more options is rarely a bad thing in my opinion. I'm sure some folks want to eat the real thing while for some if the substitute is cheaper, taste the same, and have near equal nutrients, that is enough of a reason to switch over.
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Mead posted...

The things must not be half bad if ranchers actually feel threatened by it

I read reviews and people said it was really dry.
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No, they don't call themselves meat on any of the packaging for anything I've bought. Even the beyond burger says beyond meat.

These ranchers better go after mincemeat, nutmeat' chicken fingers, and hot dogs. and the dairy industry should go after all of the nut butters and head cheese

I'm not shocked though... Anyone else recall the shit Just Mayo went through? Egg industry was mad

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-egg-board-investigation-20161007-snap-story.html

You may have also noticed a lot more advertising of milk products. The Olympics were full of them. Dairy industry tried to do februdairy as backlash against veganuary

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.

Personally I like the texture variety options for cooking and don't like eating dead animals
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Revelation34 posted...

Mead posted...

The things must not be half bad if ranchers actually feel threatened by it

I read reviews and people said it was really dry.

No it's not at all dry they're very juicy

I found them to be too meaty in an uncanny way and they smelled like meat when cooking but for those calling themselves flexitarians they're a way to enjoy a juicy meaty burger without the meat or cholesterol
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Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

fish into avocados.

hold on now
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anti-helly posted...

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

fish into avocados.

hold on now

Bagels and lox

The answer to avocado toast
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anti-helly posted...

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

fish into avocados.

hold on now

never had the fish taco
https://www.foodiecrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Blackened-Fish-Tacos-Creamy-Avocado-Sauce-foodiecrush.com-022.jpg
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Does it really matter? The food industry will just add "natural flavors" to it anyway.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

No, they don't call themselves meat on any of the packaging for anything I've bought. Even the beyond burger says beyond meat.

These ranchers better go after mincemeat, nutmeat' chicken fingers, and hot dogs. and the dairy industry should go after all of the nut butters and head cheese

I'm not shocked though... Anyone else recall the shit Just Mayo went through? Egg industry was mad

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-egg-board-investigation-20161007-snap-story.html

You may have also noticed a lot more advertising of milk products. The Olympics were full of them. Dairy industry tried to do februdairy as backlash against veganuary

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.

Personally I like the texture variety options for cooking and don't like eating dead animals

Morning Star has a "riblet" actually. Plus I'm pretty sure I did see them call themselves meat before. Maybe they changed it more recently.
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I'm tempted to try this Beyond Meat product but they seem rather pricey. In between reducing my red meat intake and cutting cost on food, I might just have to focus more on chicken, pork, turkey, or other plants then.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

No, they don't call themselves meat on any of the packaging for anything I've bought. Even the beyond burger says beyond meat.

These ranchers better go after mincemeat, nutmeat' chicken fingers, and hot dogs. and the dairy industry should go after all of the nut butters and head cheese

I'm not shocked though... Anyone else recall the shit Just Mayo went through? Egg industry was mad

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-egg-board-investigation-20161007-snap-story.html

You may have also noticed a lot more advertising of milk products. The Olympics were full of them. Dairy industry tried to do februdairy as backlash against veganuary

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.

Personally I like the texture variety options for cooking and don't like eating dead animals

Morning Star has a "riblet" actually. Plus I'm pretty sure I did see them call themselves meat before. Maybe they changed it more recently.

The Morning Star Farms stuff says on it very clearly "veggie riblets." Any mock meat style product I have encountered very clearly labels itself as such. Helpful tip: anything that looks like meat but has no cholesterol is not meat. The Beyond Burger is different in how it is presented--while it's labeled, it's also in the meat aisle. Veg meat products have their own sections that are not in, or often near, the meat department.

Interesting that you have an issue with the term riblet. The same term the meat industry has used for processed food products containing no rib meat and just carcass scraps, fillers, and seasonings. It has as much right to call itself a rib as a McRib does :P
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I was at a restaurant. They offered cashew cheese. It was just bland cashew nut butter.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

but for those calling themselves flexitarians they're a way to enjoy a juicy meaty burger without the meat or cholesterol

Isn't flexitarian just a fancy word for those that eat less meat than what is considered "normal"?
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InfestedAdam posted...

Interesting. I wouldn't mind substituting ground beef with this plant-base meat. If I can satisfy my burger cravings while reducing my red meat intake, that's a win-win for me. Of course whether or not I'll get the proper daily nutrients intake is another question.

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

Why are vegans and vegetarians trying to turn plants into meat? Nobody is trying to turn beef into asparagus, chicken into soy, pork into lentils, or fish into avocados.

Perhaps someone can correct me on this but as a whole don't meat products have a larger footprint compared to that of plant food? Also, I'd imagine some vegans and vegetarians do miss the taste of meat but don't want to eat the real thing either due to health reasons or moral reasons. This substitute might be the closest thing for them. Overall, more options is rarely a bad thing in my opinion. I'm sure some folks want to eat the real thing while for some if the substitute is cheaper, taste the same, and have near equal nutrients, that is enough of a reason to switch over.

That, and with all the shit/hate vegans and vegetarians go through, why not hide the food in plain sight? That way you can still eat your burger at a party, and i) not get shit on for eating veggies, and ii) if someone eating meat notices the difference, then it's not as off-putting to see the "meat" in a familiar way. Who knows, they may even try it and like it. . .
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

but for those calling themselves flexitarians they're a way to enjoy a juicy meaty burger without the meat or cholesterol

Isn't flexitarian just a fancy word for those that eat less meat than what is considered "normal"?

In some ways. it's not well-defined. Sometimes they're people that are mostly vegetarian that will eat meat on occasion. Other people that eat meat regularly and cut down on it also use the term.

Cutting down on meat consumption is good for their health and the environment so I don't really care if they want the label to feel better. those beyond burgers are for meat-minded folks. I'd eat one in a restaurant but wouldn't cook one again, they are honestly too meat-like to the point of being offputting
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InfestedAdam posted...

Interesting. I wouldn't mind substituting ground beef with this plant-base meat. If I can satisfy my burger cravings while reducing my red meat intake, that's a win-win for me. Of course whether or not I'll get the proper daily nutrients intake is another question.

Oh, you can get all of the nutrition-just not the cholesterol or nearly as much saturated fat. The Beyond Burger is an anomaly in how much fat it has for a veg option.

If you can find Gardein crumbles, they are really good in meat sauce/tacos/sloppy joes.

InfestedAdam posted...

Perhaps someone can correct me on this but as a whole don't meat products have a larger footprint compared to that of plant food? Also, I'd imagine some vegans and vegetarians do miss the taste of meat but don't want to eat the real thing either due to health reasons or moral reasons. This substitute might be the closest thing for them. Overall, more options is rarely a bad thing in my opinion. I'm sure some folks want to eat the real thing while for some if the substitute is cheaper, taste the same, and have near equal nutrients, that is enough of a reason to switch over.

Significantly higher environmental cost!

I just like being able to eat dishes I have enjoyed for many years before. Sometimes that means a very meatlike food product. Having those options also helps you not be as ostracized--AND helps people that do eat meat by giving their veg friends more things to choose from at restaurants or on the go.

I like having the option of bringing my veggie burgers or dogs to a cookout. Or if I was able to get a Beyond Burger where people could order their meat, fantastic. Makes that restaurant a place everyone can eat at with more options.

GeoMaggs posted...

That, and with all the shit/hate vegans and vegetarians go through, why not hide the food in plain sight? That way you can still eat your burger at a party, and i) not get shit on for eating veggies, and ii) if someone eating meat notices the difference, then it's not as off-putting to see the "meat" in a familiar way. Who knows, they may even try it and like it. . .

My dad loves when I visit because it's an excuse to go to vegan restaurants--he loves the mock meat. Funny guy.

Personally I just like having more options eating out. Some places are painfully limited. And yes, being able to eat foods like other people is really important in social settings.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

The Morning Star Farms stuff says on it very clearly "veggie riblets." Any mock meat style product I have encountered very clearly labels itself as such. Helpful tip: anything that looks like meat but has no cholesterol is not meat. The Beyond Burger is different in how it is presented--while it's labeled, it's also in the meat aisle. Veg meat products have their own sections that are not in, or often near, the meat department.

Interesting that you have an issue with the term riblet. The same term the meat industry has used for processed food products containing no rib meat and just carcass scraps, fillers, and seasonings. It has as much right to call itself a rib as a McRib does :P

It says riblet in large font then the veggie stuff in smaller font underneath that. That wasn't my point anyway. Ribs/riblets are literally an animal product. Also if it isn't actual meat then it shouldn't be in the meat aisle. Just like meat shouldn't be in a produce aisle or in a dairy aisle.
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riblets are a term not specific to animals.
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anti-helly posted...

riblets are a term not specific to animals.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riblet
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anti-helly posted...

riblets are a term not specific to animals.

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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

The Morning Star Farms stuff says on it very clearly "veggie riblets." Any mock meat style product I have encountered very clearly labels itself as such. Helpful tip: anything that looks like meat but has no cholesterol is not meat. The Beyond Burger is different in how it is presented--while it's labeled, it's also in the meat aisle. Veg meat products have their own sections that are not in, or often near, the meat department.

Interesting that you have an issue with the term riblet. The same term the meat industry has used for processed food products containing no rib meat and just carcass scraps, fillers, and seasonings. It has as much right to call itself a rib as a McRib does :P

It says riblet in large font then the veggie stuff in smaller font underneath that. That wasn't my point anyway. Ribs/riblets are literally an animal product. Also if it isn't actual meat then it shouldn't be in the meat aisle. Just like meat shouldn't be in a produce aisle or in a dairy aisle.

Those Morningstar Farms riblets are not in the meat aisle. They are in the meat alternatives section. Beyond meat is the only meat alternative sold in the meat aisle, and I disagree with that personally. It's clearly packaged differently and clearly labeled as plant based so even with that there is no confusion.

Riblet is not a term exclusive to animals or meat any more than butter, milk, or cream are terms exclusive to dairy.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/riblet

A small rib; specifically any one of a set on the outer surface of a boat, aircraft, etc., used to reduce drag.
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I could totally go for some shrimp riblets
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Those Morningstar Farms riblets are not in the meat aisle. They are in the meat alternatives section. Beyond meat is the only meat alternative sold in the meat aisle, and I disagree with that personally. It's clearly packaged differently and clearly labeled as plant based so even with that there is no confusion.

Riblet is not a term exclusive to animals or meat any more than butter, milk, or cream are terms exclusive to dairy.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/riblet

A small rib; specifically any one of a set on the outer surface of a boat, aircraft, etc., used to reduce drag.

I wasn't talking about Morning Star. A frozen item would be impossible not to have next to meat products in some way since frozen aisles always have extremely limited space and they pack them full of various different products. Also it doesn't matter if it's labeled differently if it isn't a meat product then it doesn't belong in a meat section. Should cereal be in a soup section? Should crackers be in produce section?
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I'll just stuck to real meat, seems a lot simpler.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Those Morningstar Farms riblets are not in the meat aisle. They are in the meat alternatives section. Beyond meat is the only meat alternative sold in the meat aisle, and I disagree with that personally. It's clearly packaged differently and clearly labeled as plant based so even with that there is no confusion.

Riblet is not a term exclusive to animals or meat any more than butter, milk, or cream are terms exclusive to dairy.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/riblet

A small rib; specifically any one of a set on the outer surface of a boat, aircraft, etc., used to reduce drag.

I wasn't talking about Morning Star. A frozen item would be impossible not to have next to meat products in some way since frozen aisles always have extremely limited space and they pack them full of various different products. Also it doesn't matter if it's labeled differently if it isn't a meat product then it doesn't belong in a meat section. Should cereal be in a soup section? Should crackers be in produce section?

these frozen veg meat items literally are in a separate section. Not everything in the freezer is meat... In my grocery store it's the end cap of one of the freezer aisles, it's only mock meat, and the other veg meat stuff is in the produce section near the tofu. The vegan dairy alternatives are next to animal milks, yeah, but the vegan meats are separate (and all very clearly labeled)

Beyond Burgers are not frozen. They are refrigerated and in the meat aisle. They are the only ones sold like this near meat and that's intentionally done by that company (which I disagree with--I don't want to go to the carcass meat aisle for veg meat).

There are always crackers or chips in the produce section on a display.
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Revelation probably gets mad that pretzals are in the chips section.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

these frozen veg meat items literally are in a separate section. Not everything in the freezer is meat... In my grocery store it's the end cap of one of the freezer aisles, it's only mock meat, and the other veg meat stuff is in the produce section near the tofu. The vegan dairy alternatives are next to animal milks, yeah, but the vegan meats are separate (and all very clearly labeled)

Beyond Burgers are not frozen. They are refrigerated and in the meat aisle. They are the only ones sold like this near meat and that's intentionally done by that company (which I disagree with--I don't want to go to the carcass meat aisle for veg meat).

There are always crackers or chips in the produce section on a display.

I never said they were all meat. I said there's limited freezer space so everything is together one way or another. Usually only sweet stuff is separated in one entire section while whatever else is together. Also that's what I was saying anyway. It doesn't belong in an meat section. I have never seen crackers in a produce section and the only chips I have ever seen there were things like apple chips.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

these frozen veg meat items literally are in a separate section. Not everything in the freezer is meat... In my grocery store it's the end cap of one of the freezer aisles, it's only mock meat, and the other veg meat stuff is in the produce section near the tofu. The vegan dairy alternatives are next to animal milks, yeah, but the vegan meats are separate (and all very clearly labeled)

Beyond Burgers are not frozen. They are refrigerated and in the meat aisle. They are the only ones sold like this near meat and that's intentionally done by that company (which I disagree with--I don't want to go to the carcass meat aisle for veg meat).

There are always crackers or chips in the produce section on a display.

I never said they were all meat. I said there's limited freezer space so everything is together one way or another. Usually only sweet stuff is separated in one entire section while whatever else is together. Also that's what I was saying anyway. It doesn't belong in an meat section. I have never seen crackers in a produce section and the only chips I have ever seen there were things like apple chips.

Buddy I shop for this shit on the regular. You don't. Freezers are more organized than you depict. You know how frozen vegetables are all in the same area? It's like that. And incidentally, it's what's immediately next to the veg meats. They are not near animal flesh. :P

They keep things separate. Especially because people buying meat alternatives generally don't want to also be looking at animal flesh products.
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can confirm, all the frozen vegan stuff is next to the frozen vegetables at walmart
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anti-helly posted...

can confirm, all the frozen vegan stuff is next to the frozen vegetables at walmart

incidentally the wal-mart here only has veg meats in the produce section (no frozen options) and has tide pods next to the cheese
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Doctor Foxx posted...

has tide pods next to the cheese

???

that's where they belong though
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idk what that guy is talking about. every freezer section is separated into sections. ice creams/popsicles/etc in one area, frozen pizzas in another area, hot pockets/frozen snacks like pizza rolls or potato skins in another, frozen pasta, frozen bread, tv dinners, meat, vegetables, etc. they're all grouped together in their own clearly labeled sections.
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Jen0125 posted...

idk what that guy is talking about. every freezer section is separated into sections. ice creams/popsicles/etc in one area, frozen pizzas in another area, hot pockets/frozen snacks like pizza rolls or potato skins in another, frozen pasta, frozen bread, tv dinners, meat, vegetables, etc. they're all grouped together in their own clearly labeled sections.

When other people buy groceries for you, you can remain clueless
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it'd be pretty silly for a grocery store to just free for all its sections and have no order lmao
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I never said they had no order. I said they are all near each other. I don't look for morning star anyway when I shop.
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then why are you acting like you know where it's located?
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Revelation34 posted...

I never said they had no order. I said they are all near each other. I don't look for morning star anyway when I shop.

They're still not near meat

Beyond that they are all frozen, sealed items. It's not like the cool meat shelves with meat juices dripping and pooling. It's not in the food.

All things in the grocery store will be found near other things. That's... a store.
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Jen0125 posted...

then why are you acting like you know where it's located?

He actually manages a chain of grocery stores when he isnt defending someone in court or performing surgery at the hospital.
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Mead posted...

Jen0125 posted...

then why are you acting like you know where it's located?

He actually manages a chain of grocery stores when he isnt defending someone in court or performing surgery at the hospital.

Or teaching...
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

I'll just stuck to real meat, seems a lot simpler.

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Fake Meat
that's how they should be labeled
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Amuseum posted...

Fake Meat
that's how they should be labeled

I think some products are labelled as imitation meat. Imitation crab for example is labeled as such and there's some imitation fish as well. I know there's veggie patties but I don't think those claim to be "meat" so might as well keep calling em veggie patties.
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