Current Events > South African Parliament votes to confiscate land from Whites

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boxington posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...
they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners.

And those people are just going to be able to farm four times more land right off the bat?
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Ammonitida posted...

randomdude360 posted...

. Whites are 10% of the SA population whilst owning 75% of the farmland.

The stats vary depending on the source (all Government and not exactly reliable given the situation) and the type of land. One says 50%. It doesn't matter. It's still racist theft by politicians bent on scapegoating white farmers for the economic failures of the prior Government. When this policy was first proposed by the incoming Government, it received the MOST applause. Why? Racism.

Pretty much. It's no different than the mistreatment of the Jews by the Nazis. That didn't start with Auschwitz. The biggest problem with racism, IMO, is that it will always fuel more racism because it makes people afraid of one-another and feel the need to band together with their own to defeat "the enemy." The lines of dialogue tend to collapse and it becomes a "me first" situation where everyone becomes angry and spiteful and dehumanizes the other.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

boxington posted...

no, it was because it had nothing to do with what I said, and I didn't necessarily disagree with the other points

anyway, we don't know who the land is going to - they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners. I'm just taking issue with people acting like it's some foregone conclusion that black people are going to fail/can't be as qualified

Zimbabwe is a great example of what can happen when you start acting irrationally and take land away from people who paid for them. A collapse of the economy, inflation, collapse of agriculture, scaring away foreign investments and destroying the job market.

Yes, but some people are sensitive to the fact that many on the right use the example of Zimbabwe to "prove" innate black inferiority.

Ammonitida posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

boxington posted...

no, it was because it had nothing to do with what I said, and I didn't necessarily disagree with the other points

anyway, we don't know who the land is going to - they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners. I'm just taking issue with people acting like it's some foregone conclusion that black people are going to fail/can't be as qualified

Zimbabwe is a great example of what can happen when you start acting irrationally and take land away from people who paid for them. A collapse of the economy, inflation, collapse of agriculture, scaring away foreign investments and destroying the job market.

Yes, but some people are sensitive to the fact that many on the right use the example of Zimbabwe to "prove" innate black inferiority.

So that makes claiming white people stole land they legally purchased okay? That makes excusing threats of genocide okay? That makes black people in Africa sabotaging their own country JUST to "get the evil white man" okay?
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darkjedilink posted...

Ammonitida posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

boxington posted...

no, it was because it had nothing to do with what I said, and I didn't necessarily disagree with the other points

anyway, we don't know who the land is going to - they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners. I'm just taking issue with people acting like it's some foregone conclusion that black people are going to fail/can't be as qualified

Zimbabwe is a great example of what can happen when you start acting irrationally and take land away from people who paid for them. A collapse of the economy, inflation, collapse of agriculture, scaring away foreign investments and destroying the job market.

Yes, but some people are sensitive to the fact that many on the right use the example of Zimbabwe to "prove" innate black inferiority.

So that makes claiming white people stole land they legally purchased okay? That makes excusing threats of genocide okay? That makes black people in Africa sabotaging their own country JUST to "get the evil white man" okay?

I was referring to Boxington whom I haven't seen state anything like that. I just wish that these discussions on social media didn't devolve into degrading black people (I've been seeing a lot of that on twitter). It's not so bad here, but on others formats without moderators (like twitter), it's disgusting.

Ammonitida posted...

Yes, but some people are sensitive to the fact that many on the right use the example of Zimbabwe to "prove" innate black inferiority.

Incompetence is incompetence. It doesn't matter what color of the skin they are. In this case, it just happens to be black. There are lot of incompetent white people in the United States and most of them just happen to be liberal and/or socialist.
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darkjedilink posted...

You're still being hypocritical - either Muslims need to be okay with Israel because they stole the land from the Jews, or this is wrong.

Which is it?

I'm not even OK with this. But w/e.

And no, Muslims don't have to be OK with Israel. They're not the people who the land was stolen from in the first place nor did they reclaim it. America and other nations just...placed them there.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

The fact that there are people in this topic that are justifying and even supporting this is disgusting.

Seems like it's just the mentally ill CEmen doing that.
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Ammonitida posted...

randomdude360 posted...

. Whites are 10% of the SA population whilst owning 75% of the farmland.

The stats vary depending on the source (all Government and not exactly reliable given the situation) and the type of land. One says 50%. It doesn't matter. It's still racist theft by politicians bent on scapegoating white farmers for the economic failures of the prior Government. When this policy was first proposed by the incoming Government, it received the MOST applause. Why? Racism.

Theft? Given the acreage of land owned by such a relatively small number of people, the only theft here was when these farmers ancestors bought a farm the size of Wales for a bargain bucket price from some colonial administrators back in the day. Thats was always going to absolutely fuck up the economic legacy of a country that is black, was always black, and is going to be managed increasingly by blacks. It just cannot stand today.
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Knowledge_King posted...

And no, Muslims don't have to be OK with Israel. They're not the people who the land was stolen from in the first place nor did they reclaim it. America and other nations just...placed them there.

There's a difference between being ok with something and shooting missiles at them daily.
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You know, shit like this is why Richard Spencer types are growing in influence. Those people are taking legitimate fears about anti-white racism like this and making a platform out of this.

And of course the utterly vile hypocrites who deflect from how evil and racist this is are just compounding the problem.
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randomdude360 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

randomdude360 posted...

. Whites are 10% of the SA population whilst owning 75% of the farmland.

The stats vary depending on the source (all Government and not exactly reliable given the situation) and the type of land. One says 50%. It doesn't matter. It's still racist theft by politicians bent on scapegoating white farmers for the economic failures of the prior Government. When this policy was first proposed by the incoming Government, it received the MOST applause. Why? Racism.

Theft? Given the acreage of land owned by such a relatively small number of people, the only theft here was when these farmers ancestors bought a farm the size of Wales for a bargain bucket price from some colonial administrators back in the day. Thats was always going to absolutely fuck up the economic legacy of a country that is black, was always black, and is going to be managed increasingly by blacks. It just cannot stand today.

Why is the government taking steps to prevent white people from thriving? For all you know one day that country could be 50% white or 50% Asian.
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lol proudclad is really /pol/ing it up again.
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Oh, white people have already been thriving. Im quite sure the stats for wealth distribution closely mirror that of land distribution. All built on a crime. It was nothing more than a crime.

This isnt the Nazis persecuting the Jews, this is an alternate timeline where the Native Americans grew in strength and numbers and took back what was theirs.
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randomdude360 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

randomdude360 posted...

. Whites are 10% of the SA population whilst owning 75% of the farmland.

The stats vary depending on the source (all Government and not exactly reliable given the situation) and the type of land. One says 50%. It doesn't matter. It's still racist theft by politicians bent on scapegoating white farmers for the economic failures of the prior Government. When this policy was first proposed by the incoming Government, it received the MOST applause. Why? Racism.

Theft? Given the acreage of land owned by such a relatively small number of people, the only theft here was when these farmers ancestors bought a farm the size of Wales for a bargain bucket price from some colonial administrators back in the day. Thats was always going to absolutely fuck up the economic legacy of a country that is black, was always black, and is going to be managed increasingly by blacks. It just cannot stand today.

So you admit that white people didn't steal the land, but white people having the land taken from them isn't theft?
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Lol read between the lines. White people didnt have to steal it. White people invented the paperwork that awarded all the land to...guess who? White people. And then sold it to other white people. It wasnt theirs to sell, nor theirs to buy. It was theft in all but name.

If the only recourse to address this injustice is theft, then it is a theft backed by a moral righteousness that was never there for the colonists.
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randomdude360 posted...

Lol read between the lines. White people didnt have to steal it. White people invented the paperwork that awarded all the land to...guess who? White people. And then sold it to other white people. It wasnt theirs to sell, nor theirs to buy. It was theft in all but name.

If the only recourse to address this injustice is theft, then it is a theft backed by a moral righteousness that was never there for the colonists.

So if white people paying handsomely to the natives for the land is theft, and this is them taking back what was stolen, I'm sure you'd be okay with paying the white people who are losing their livelihoods back what the white people originally paid, plus interest, right?
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Yes I would be. If said farmers ancestors paid handsomely or even fairly for what they received. Which they didnt. So this is fiction.
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randomdude360 posted...

Yes I would be. If said farmers ancestors paid handsomely or even fairly for what they received. Which they didnt. So this is fiction.

Actually, it did, and you're defending theft and threats of genocide.
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there is no country on earth with inhabitants who didn't conquer that land or purchase it

you cannot even point to any singular tribe that ever "owned" south africa because all of that land was constantly being fought over by warring tribes

why do you hate white people? what is your main account? @randomdude360
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This is my main account. Hello. Nice to meet you. Ive been here for a while. Check my karma.

Yeah and I would love to go Bolshevik on some of the modern land barons who can basically trace their wealth back to the feudal era of European history. Trust me, I would. But theres some historical precedence to it now. Nobody cares anymore, the people are happy to let things be, even though history basically fucked them over. When the people stop caring and dont feel wronged anymore, you cant really do that much.

SA doesnt have that problem, the conquests of its territory and subsequent laws like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natives_Land_Act,_1913 are still recent enough to be felt by the people and still wound.
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darkjedilink posted...

randomdude360 posted...

Yes I would be. If said farmers ancestors paid handsomely or even fairly for what they received. Which they didnt. So this is fiction.

Actually, it did, and you're defending theft and threats of genocide.

Prove it, because I say thats absolute horseshit.
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randomdude360 posted...

This is my main account. Hello. Nice to meet you. Ive been here for a while. Check my karma.

Yeah and I would love to go Bolshevik on some of the modern land barons who can basically trace their wealth back to the feudal era of European history. Trust me, I would. But theres some historical precedence to it now. Nobody cares anymore, the people are happy to let things be, even though history basically fucked them over. When the people stop caring and dont feel wronged anymore, you cant really do that much.

SA doesnt have that problem, the conquests of its territory and subsequent laws like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natives_Land_Act,_1913 are still recent enough to be felt by the people and still wound.

You should read The Black Book of Communism, it'll enlighten you.

And you didn't address my post. Which tribe owned south Africa and had it stolen from them? How long is enough time before we decide that it's wrong to punish descendents for the crimes of their ancestors?
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1) It literally doesnt matter.
2) Let the people decide.
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randomdude360 posted...

1) It literally doesnt matter.
2) Let the people decide.

Thanks for admitting that you have no argument. Please have some backbone and go the full length of admitting you're wrong and retracting your horrendous and toxic worldview.
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Let me explain point number 1) for you Fluffygerm. When I come into your home and tell you about this concept of mine where I get to bang your wife 5 times per day, every day, unless you are wearing a red hat the first time you open the door, you will understand how unfair it is to be assessed by a complete foreigner on something that seems rather arbitrary to you, and the result is me taking something of yours from you.

And showing her a real mans backbone.
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lmfao what?
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I like how the usual stormfront cowards ITT tried to use this "opportunity" as bait to troll and further project their own fragility, but the bait was too obvious and now the best most got are strawman arguments.

you types don't even care about White people. your hate for Black people outweighs your love for White people, and the only time you mention White struggle is when you're simultaneously trying to attack Black people, lmao. nobody takes disingenuous clowns seriously, so expect jokes and wisecracks when you present your crocodile tear-filled argument. especially when you present it from your alt, lolololol.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the usual stormfront cowards ITT

You know he's triggered when he goes to this well. Ricky doesn't respond well when his racist double-standard bullshit is called out.
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

it's an explanation for why this is happening. no one is trying to claim that it's a justification.

just to be clear, explanations are different from justifications.

It is apologetic behavior to try and introduce that type of information in this situation. If that was not your deliberate intention, I apologize. But then maybe you need to reconsider what information you want to bring up and how you want to go about introducing it.

The Admiral posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the usual stormfront cowards ITT

You know he's triggered when he goes to this well. Ricky doesn't respond well when his racist double-standard bullshit is called out.

-Admiral tags Ricky first thing in the morning.
-Ricky laughs at bait and pokes fun at insecurities.
-Admiral calls Ricky triggered.

that's the summary.
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randomdude360 posted...

Let me explain point number 1) for you Fluffygerm. When I come into your home and tell you about this concept of mine where I get to bang your wife 5 times per day, every day, unless you are wearing a red hat the first time you open the door, you will understand how unfair it is to be assessed by a complete foreigner on something that seems rather arbitrary to you, and the result is me taking something of yours from you.

And showing her a real mans backbone.

>admits desire to rape another poster's SO
>calls himself "a real man"
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

boxington posted...

no, it was because it had nothing to do with what I said, and I didn't necessarily disagree with the other points

anyway, we don't know who the land is going to - they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners. I'm just taking issue with people acting like it's some foregone conclusion that black people are going to fail/can't be as qualified

Zimbabwe is a great example of what can happen when you start acting irrationally and take land away from people who paid for them. A collapse of the economy, inflation, collapse of agriculture, scaring away foreign investments and destroying the job market.

my argument was more about the quality of the farming, but yea, such a movie would likely have a negative affect on how other countries view South Africa, and affect their relations with them
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darkjedilink posted...

boxington posted...

darkjedilink posted...

boxington posted...

obviously terrible what's happening, but I like the posts about how black people can't prosper without whites

StormFAQs staying true to itself

So, people who've never farmed a day in their life are going to feed a nation?

did they say that they were just going to give the land to people who've never farmed?

and like I said in my post above yours, people can be trained

They most likely WILL give it to people who've never farmed, considering the fact that they claim white people own about 80% of their farmland.

And who's going to train them? The white farmers they just stole from?

darkjedilink posted...

boxington posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...
they might wanna take it from whites, but it doesn't mean that it won't go to the other land owners.

And those people are just going to be able to farm four times more land right off the bat?

if that were to happen, they'd likely confiscate the equipment too, and it'd be more of a matter of finding hired hands.

and black farmers could train them, too.
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i saw this coming. South Africa is literally running out of water. When people are starving or dying of thirst there is going to be violence.
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Apparently most white people are not able to leave due to not being eligible for citizenship elsewhere or for refugee status. This is all basically a prelude to civil war in South Africa.
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front page of reddit

the international community is about to fuck up south africa's government

thankfully the vast majority of people online are not like the lunatic radicals on CE who were deflecting/defending this egregious and vile violation of basic human rights
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

the international community is about to fuck up south africa's government

Are they? I doubt it. There are so many messed up regimes in Africa. Sudan's current President is indicted for war crimes by the ICC and he's still President of Sudan. No one is willing to use force to go into these countries and set them straight, so to speak.
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also, in case yall didnt realize

the majority of the black people in south africa are NOT descendents of the previous owners

copypasta from reddit:

The real irony here is that the Boer farmers settled in the area a century before the ancestors of the modern black population of SA.

The true natives of the area are a nearly extinct group now who are ignored.

EDIT:

Since people are asking for sources cause Google is hard to use apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa#Zulu_militarism_and_expansionism

Most all modern blacks in SA are descended from the Zulu. So their claim by conquest to the land is only about 200 years old, where as the Dutch have been there since 1625

@boxington
@MedeaLysistrata
@Solar_Crimson
@randomdude360

tagging yall since yall commented along these lines
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Good thing black people can't be racist.
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I was responding to the people implying black people can't farm as well as white people, or that they can't be prosperous.

I think the whole thing (the land being taken away from white South African landowners) is fucked up
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Sayoria posted...

Good thing black people can't be racist.

Only the most historically ignorant people can legitimately believe this. I know this post is sarcasm, but those who say that seem to not have heard of the continent of Africa.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The true natives of the area are a nearly extinct group now who are ignored.

so these people should be given the claim to the land (i looked around and it doesn't seem like they're extinct, but their population was decimated by smallpox) in the most just possible world.
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The true natives of the area are a nearly extinct group now who are ignored.

so these people should be given the claim to the land (i looked around and it doesn't seem like they're extinct, but their population was decimated by smallpox) in the most just possible world.

nah they should be given reparations at most if they havent received any yet

like how america gives native americans special privileges

notice how you still had no harsh terms for the majority population that doesnt actually have any claim to this land and is using racism to steal it
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Prediction: 2-3 years from now they will join Zimbabwe in eating rats.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Apparently most white people are not able to leave due to not being eligible for citizenship elsewhere or for refugee status. This is all basically a prelude to civil war in South Africa.

More of that White Privilege at work.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

also, in case yall didnt realize

the majority of the black people in south africa are NOT descendents of the previous owners

copypasta from reddit:

The real irony here is that the Boer farmers settled in the area a century before the ancestors of the modern black population of SA.

The true natives of the area are a nearly extinct group now who are ignored.

EDIT:

Since people are asking for sources cause Google is hard to use apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa#Zulu_militarism_and_expansionism

Most all modern blacks in SA are descended from the Zulu. So their claim by conquest to the land is only about 200 years old, where as the Dutch have been there since 1625

@boxington
@MedeaLysistrata
@Solar_Crimson
@randomdude360

tagging yall since yall commented along these lines

Lol fuck no. Guess again. The modern black SA population represents most of the tribes who were present before the time of the Boers. Peoples like the Sotha, Xhosa, Swazi and many many more. The Zulus are the single largest group but not by an overwhelming percentage. In 1625 the Boers had a couple of trading posts. It wasnt until the late 19th century that they had successfully achieved a status quo where whites owned 90% of the land in South Africa by constantly pushing settlement boundaries and herding blacks into ever smaller domains.
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So what can be done about this?
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