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__Stewa__
03/05/18 8:20:34 PM
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To an extent Agents of Shield isnt either. Why do MCU fanboys get butthurt when people say this?
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SuperGamer5
03/05/18 8:20:53 PM
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Because it's objectively false.
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sktgamer_13dude
03/05/18 8:21:37 PM
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Because its wrong. The TV shows are heavily influenced by the movies.
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Link HT
03/05/18 8:21:51 PM
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AoS tries to follow what the MCU does

MCU doesn't give a shit about AoS

That's kinda how it goes.
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Medussa
03/05/18 8:22:04 PM
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SuperGamer5 posted...
Because it's objectively false.

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__Stewa__
03/05/18 8:23:40 PM
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SuperGamer5 posted...
Because it's objectively false.


Prove to me that the Netflix shows are connected other than subtlety referencing the movies despite not being acknowledged in film.
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sktgamer_13dude
03/05/18 8:24:40 PM
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__Stewa__ posted...
SuperGamer5 posted...
Because it's objectively false.


Prove to me that the Netflix shows are connected other than subtlety referencing the movies despite not being acknowledged in film.

Daredevils Kingpin only happened because of Avengers 1.
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SSBBSB
03/05/18 8:27:14 PM
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The Judas Bullets are made from Chitari...parts. Someone used one towards the AoS guy.
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03/05/18 8:30:20 PM
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Polycosm
03/05/18 8:33:42 PM
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The movie wing of the MCU clearly doesn't want to share its toys with AoS but AoS has gone through great pains to stay consistent with the MCU.
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DoctorVader
03/05/18 8:36:37 PM
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It's obviously because of shit like budget issues and the need to have self contained stories.

Otherwise it bugs me a lot because everything is literally happening in Manhattan most of the time yet you never see the Avengers tower. The excuse is that it's hard to see every Manhattan building from every part of Manhattan, which is true. But not once is straight bullshit.

Especially when shit like Strange and Spider-Man show it several times.
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GATTJT
03/05/18 8:37:48 PM
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I guess going by this logic, since the main Star Wars movies don't acknowledge Rebels, Rebels is not canon. Do you agree, TC?
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03/05/18 8:38:35 PM
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ThanksUglyGod
03/05/18 8:38:41 PM
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It's like a funnel. The movies affect the TV shows but the TV shows don't affect the movies.
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JxOxNxIxCxS
03/05/18 8:40:34 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsP1gCI5cv0


Skip to 2:56

God, watching that part is really painful
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LockeMonster
03/05/18 8:41:10 PM
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I understand why the Avengers might not help the Defenders (have only seen DD and JJ so far).

But why doesn't someone like Spidy show up? He's like down the block lol
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Darmik
03/05/18 8:45:35 PM
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GATTJT posted...
I guess going by this logic, since the main Star Wars movies don't acknowledge Rebels, Rebels is not canon. Do you agree, TC?


Rogue One did reference Rebels
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Skye Reynolds
03/05/18 8:49:07 PM
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Shhh! If you don't let them pretend it affects the movie universe, they might not watch it. Same as the Star Wars cartoons.
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Medussa
03/05/18 8:51:13 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Shhh! If you don't let them pretend it affects the movie universe, they might not watch it. Same as the Star Wars cartoons.


*sigh*

nobody says it affects the movies. that doesn't stop them from being in the same universe.
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Darmik
03/05/18 8:55:51 PM
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Honestly being tied to the MCU just holds the Netflix shows back at this point and vice versa. What's the point? Is Punisher season 2 going to reference Thanos? I doubt it. It wouldn't even fit. These characters will never even be acknowledged in the movies either. It hasn't mattered since Daredevil season 1 and that was just as a backstory.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 9:12:10 PM
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__Stewa__ posted...
To an extent Agents of Shield isnt either. Why do MCU fanboys get butthurt when people say this?

Because it's objectively wrong.
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SuperExcitebike
03/05/18 9:14:34 PM
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I like AoS quite a bit and it was originally supposed to tie in with the movies. Caulson and Quake were going to be in future Avengers movies and then sometime around season 3, they announced that the show is not canon
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Skye Reynolds
03/05/18 9:16:29 PM
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Medussa posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Shhh! If you don't let them pretend it affects the movie universe, they might not watch it. Same as the Star Wars cartoons.


*sigh*

nobody says it affects the movies. that doesn't stop them from being in the same universe.


Then what does it matter? That'd be like saying that Spider-Man and King Kong share a universe, but they never mention it because one was 1930s New York and the other is present day New York.

All they'd have to do to canonize the Netflix shows is give a Netflix character a cameo in a movie. Iron Man flies past a restaurant where Luke Cage is eating. Jessica Jones's boss attends a political rally in the next Captain America movie.

If they're supposed to be connected, connect them.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 9:17:14 PM
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SuperExcitebike posted...
then sometime around season 3, they announced that the show is not canon

Literally the first I've ever heard about this. And wrong too since one episode's beginning clearly dealt with the fallout of Thor 2.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 9:17:53 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
That'd be like saying

Every goddamned time you type this, stupid shit follows. Will it be the same this time?

Skye Reynolds posted...
That'd be like saying that Spider-Man and King Kong share a universe, but they never mention it because one was 1930s New York and the other is present day New York.

It was.
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Medussa
03/05/18 9:18:29 PM
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SuperExcitebike posted...
I like AoS quite a bit and it was originally supposed to tie in with the movies. Caulson and Quake were going to be in future Avengers movies and then sometime around season 3, they announced that the show is not canon


no, they said the connections would probably need to be one way. which makes sense, because the logistics otherwise would be damn near impossible with the schedule they're on. That doesn't mean they aren't still all in the same universe. They are -- movies, tv, netflix, even a few comics -- all MCU.
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Medussa
03/05/18 9:19:43 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Medussa posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Shhh! If you don't let them pretend it affects the movie universe, they might not watch it. Same as the Star Wars cartoons.


*sigh*

nobody says it affects the movies. that doesn't stop them from being in the same universe.


Then what does it matter? That'd be like saying that Spider-Man and King Kong share a universe, but they never mention it because one was 1930s New York and the other is present day New York.

All they'd have to do to canonize the Netflix shows is give a Netflix character a cameo in a movie. Iron Man flies past a restaurant where Luke Cage is eating. Jessica Jones's boss attends a political rally in the next Captain America movie.

If they're supposed to be connected, connect them.


JJ had references to the battle of New York. Connected.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/05/18 9:24:18 PM
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They're downstream from it. It can affect them, they can't affect it. It's the same with Agents of Shield, but that is altered to a greater effect by movie changes.
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Raikuro
03/05/18 9:26:32 PM
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If SHIELD ever appears up in the movies again it would be cool if May or Quake were just there as another SHIELD agent. Not like you needed to watch a whole TV show to understand who Hawkeye, Black Widow, or Maria Hill were when they just randomly popped up in the movies.
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Darmik
03/05/18 9:28:53 PM
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Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

The Punisher really didn't feel like it fit in the MCU at all.
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Skye Reynolds
03/05/18 9:31:00 PM
#31:


Medussa posted...
JJ had references to the battle of New York. Connected.


Connecting it would be if the movies referenced the Netflix shows.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 9:31:50 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Medussa posted...
JJ had references to the battle of New York. Connected.


Connecting it would be if the movies referenced the Netflix shows.

Do you do this on purpose?
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__Stewa__
03/05/18 9:37:18 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
Medussa posted...
JJ had references to the battle of New York. Connected.


Connecting it would be if the movies referenced the Netflix shows.

Do you do this on purpose?


Hes not wrong.
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Skye Reynolds
03/05/18 9:44:28 PM
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Here's the thing about continuity and connectivity: it takes nothing at all to have a character from one story make an appearance in another story.

I never saw Episode III of Star Wars. I didn't know that the older woman from Rogue One was a character from Episode III. And you know what? It didn't disrupt the flow of the film at all. I didn't stand around asking, "Who is this person?" I just assumed they were a character from Rogue One.

If a character from a Netflix show appears in a movie, and only a fourth of the audience recognizes them as a Netflix character, it's not going to hurt the movie.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 9:57:12 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
it takes nothing at all to have a character from one story make an appearance in another story.

Except for contract issues, timing, logistics...
Just nothing, right?
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_Rinku_
03/05/18 10:07:39 PM
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Darmik posted...
GATTJT posted...
I guess going by this logic, since the main Star Wars movies don't acknowledge Rebels, Rebels is not canon. Do you agree, TC?


Rogue One did reference Rebels

Rogue One isn't really a "main" movie.

Also, almost everything since the acquisition is canon. There's an entire committee dedicated to making sure everything jives together.
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KingCrabCake
03/05/18 10:10:02 PM
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Tc got rekt
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fusespliff
03/05/18 10:11:54 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Darmik posted...
Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

No. It's like to timelines that diverge at that point. Even as late as Luke Cage people are still acting like the Battle of New York is this super unique thing.


Yeah, the MCU's Manhattan has daily alien invasions and all </sarcasm>
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Darmik
03/05/18 10:12:17 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Darmik posted...
GATTJT posted...
I guess going by this logic, since the main Star Wars movies don't acknowledge Rebels, Rebels is not canon. Do you agree, TC?


Rogue One did reference Rebels

Rogue One isn't really a "main" movie.

Also, almost everything since the acquisition is canon. There's an entire committee dedicated to making sure everything jives together.


Yeah but it is an example of a movie referencing the show (even if it is minor). Which is something you never see in a single Marvel movie. Doesn't matter if it's Avengers or a more minor superhero.

ClunkerSlim posted...
Darmik posted...
Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

No. It's like two timelines that diverge at that point. Even as late as Luke Cage people are still acting like the Battle of New York is this super unique thing.


Yeah that's what it seems like to me. I suppose you could make the argument the shows are set in New York and they just don't bother mentioning other stuff but that'll be out the window after Infinity War.
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_Rinku_
03/05/18 10:17:39 PM
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Star Wars loves to throw in nods to everything, everywhere. Like, honestly, it's to the point that if you want to enjoy anything outside of the movies, you have to keep up with it all (all the shows, comics, books, etc.) to get half of the story.
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dave_is_slick
03/05/18 10:21:20 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Darmik posted...
Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

No. It's like two timelines that diverge at that point. Even as late as Luke Cage people are still acting like the Battle of New York is this super unique thing.

It was. Who cares if other shit happens around the world, something like that was and still is unique. And it'll continue to be until Infinity War. Then you'll have a point if they keep mentioning it.
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KingCrabCake
03/05/18 10:29:12 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Darmik posted...
Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

No. It's like two timelines that diverge at that point. Even as late as Luke Cage people are still acting like the Battle of New York is this super unique thing.


Theres terrorists attacks All over the world...guess which one new yorkers still remember and talk about... 9/11

Lol fuck
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Darmik
03/05/18 10:29:21 PM
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The problem is the New York in Spider-man Homecoming is nothing like the New York in the Netflix shows. Absolutely nothing crosses over.

The biggest issue is that both MCU and the Netflix universe are tied to New York. It doesn't match up anymore and it hasn't for a long time. Vulture's tech isn't going to show up in any of these shows despite being a big issue for MCU New York. Likewise Kingpin will never get a single reference in the movies. This sorta stuff doesn't even require actors to show up. It's clear examples of the two different sides not trying to tie into each other at all. Has Shield even been referenced in the Netflix series?

Is there any Netflix show or season that will tie into Infinity War? I doubt it. If Marvel cares about tying the two together I'm sure there would be one.

Agents of Shield does seem to try and work around the MCU in a way the Netflix shows do not. I'm guessing they're from different production companies or something?
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KingCrabCake
03/05/18 10:30:52 PM
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Darmik posted...
The problem is the New York in Spider-man Homecoming is nothing like the New York in the Netflix shows. Absolutely nothing crosses over.


Have you ever been to ny?
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Darmik
03/05/18 10:32:58 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Darmik posted...
The problem is the New York in Spider-man Homecoming is nothing like the New York in the Netflix shows. Absolutely nothing crosses over.


Have you ever been to ny?


Yes?
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03/05/18 10:34:08 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
Darmik posted...
Has any Netflix show made any reference to the MCU outside of the Battle of NY and generic comments about stuff like 'the big green guy'?

No. It's like two timelines that diverge at that point. Even as late as Luke Cage people are still acting like the Battle of New York is this super unique thing.


Theres terrorists attacks All over the world...guess which one new yorkers still remember and talk about... 9/11

Lol fuck

Bretty good point yo
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03/05/18 10:35:24 PM
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Darmik posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Darmik posted...
The problem is the New York in Spider-man Homecoming is nothing like the New York in the Netflix shows. Absolutely nothing crosses over.


Have you ever been to ny?


Yes?


Then how do you not realize that new york has so many different parts and cultures and environments
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