Current Events > Becoming overweight into adulthood seems almost inevitable.

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pinky0926 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

if you want to lose weight you exercise more and eat healthier, unless you have an actual medical eating disorder

I think his point is that making considerable permanent life change is something we all struggle with in various ways but fail to understand on this particular topic, which I somewhat agree with. If you had cripplying alcoholism it wouldn't be helpful for me to tell you "just put down the bottle, how hard is it".

Eating disorders are absurdly common and not simply restricted to people with thyroid issues.

Except alcohol has harsh withdrawal symptoms and can even kill you to stop cold turkey. Same can't be said for fattening food.
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coolboy11 posted...

I'm big and would like to lose some weight, but man is it hard as shit, there are few walking places being I live in the country, fat foods are cheap and taste good, and tbh I'm still young as hell and having no problems from being big yet.

And cooking your own food is WAY cheaper than the dollar menu...
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coolboy11 posted...

I'm big and would like to lose some weight, but man is it hard as shit, there are few walking places being I live in the country, fat foods are cheap and taste good, and tbh I'm still young as hell and having no problems from being big yet.

you can walk anywhere, even around your house. i just walk around my neighborhood.

if you use reddit, check out /r/eatcheapandhealthy. it's definitely possible to make cheap food that's also healthy and tasty.

habits get harder to break the longer you have them. if you recognize that you will need to quit eventually, postponing the inevitable is just you rationalizing your choices. it will be harder later. at least that was my experience with cigarettes.
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Ive put on 40 lbs since high school, but I was nearly underweight and at least half of that is lean muscle so I am looking pretty good.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

if you want to lose weight you exercise more and eat healthier, unless you have an actual medical eating disorder

I think his point is that making considerable permanent life change is something we all struggle with in various ways but fail to understand on this particular topic, which I somewhat agree with. If you had cripplying alcoholism it wouldn't be helpful for me to tell you "just put down the bottle, how hard is it".

Eating disorders are absurdly common and not simply restricted to people with thyroid issues.

Except alcohol has harsh withdrawal symptoms and can even kill you to stop cold turkey. Same can't be said for fattening food.

So psychological dependence isn't a real thing?

It's amazing really that CE is so sympathetic of say, depression, but so unsympathetic towards obesity. If I said to you "just cheer up, what's the problem, it's all in your head", you'd tell me to take a hike.
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Sami1000 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Sami1000 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

It's called diet and exercise. Try it sometime.

Got to love the obnoxious high horse attitude in CE when it comes to healthy life style.

I used to be an unhealthy slob. I pulled a 180. If I can do it, so can other people.

You can't expect everyone to be able to do everything you can, because they aren't you. Reasons for becoming fat or just living unhealthy isn't the same for all. Sure, the food is the issue but what pushes people to do it varies. I usually consider CE being smart or having deep thoughts, except when it comes to obesity. That's when everyone's narcissism blooms hard and all thinking ends there.

You make it sound like eating fewer cheeseburgers and going for a walk every couple days is some insurmountable obstacle. Keeping a healthy weight is easy, and I don't really care for piss ass excuses.
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pinky0926 posted...

Everyone is always trying to convince you it's some dramatic change in your metabolic rate but no one seems to consider the dramatic change in lifestyle and occupation.

In fact there's not a dramatic change in metabolic rate at all. From 20 to 60, your basal metabolic rate drops a total of about 10%, on average about 200 calories/day. And if you gain weight, your metabolic rate goes back up anyway so it cancels out.
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WaffIeElite posted...

You make it sound like eating fewer cheeseburgers and going for a walk every couple days is some insurmountable obstacle. Keeping a healthy weight is easy, and I don't really care for piss ass excuses.

People who are depressed just need to cheer up and stop being so down all the time. Being happy and doing positive things is easy and I don't really care for piss ass excuses.

Doesn't sound right does it.

There's a reason why eating disorders are considered a clinical mental disorder and not just millenials being lazy and making excuses for bad habits. I think we're talking about those people who have real problems, and not your average joe who could afford to lose a few pounds.
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pinky0926 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

if you want to lose weight you exercise more and eat healthier, unless you have an actual medical eating disorder

I think his point is that making considerable permanent life change is something we all struggle with in various ways but fail to understand on this particular topic, which I somewhat agree with. If you had cripplying alcoholism it wouldn't be helpful for me to tell you "just put down the bottle, how hard is it".

Eating disorders are absurdly common and not simply restricted to people with thyroid issues.

Except alcohol has harsh withdrawal symptoms and can even kill you to stop cold turkey. Same can't be said for fattening food.

So psychological dependence isn't a real thing?

It's amazing really that CE is so sympathetic of say, depression, but so unsympathetic towards obesity. If I said to you "just cheer up, what's the problem, it's all in your head", you'd tell me to take a hike.

Not the same. At all.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

pinky0926 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

if you want to lose weight you exercise more and eat healthier, unless you have an actual medical eating disorder

I think his point is that making considerable permanent life change is something we all struggle with in various ways but fail to understand on this particular topic, which I somewhat agree with. If you had cripplying alcoholism it wouldn't be helpful for me to tell you "just put down the bottle, how hard is it".

Eating disorders are absurdly common and not simply restricted to people with thyroid issues.

Except alcohol has harsh withdrawal symptoms and can even kill you to stop cold turkey. Same can't be said for fattening food.

So psychological dependence isn't a real thing?

It's amazing really that CE is so sympathetic of say, depression, but so unsympathetic towards obesity. If I said to you "just cheer up, what's the problem, it's all in your head", you'd tell me to take a hike.

Not the same. At all.

Not remotely the same except that both of them can be considered clinical mental disorders and not something you can dismiss merely as laziness and surliness.

Again, we're not talking about your average joe who has bad habits and could be more active. We're talking about people who binge eat and are severely overweight and struggle even to function normally as human beings because of their eating disorders.
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pinky0926 posted...

I think we're talking about those people who have real problems, and not your average joe who could afford to lose a few pounds.

sounds like we finally found the problem. I've been talking about the average overweight person i.e. the person that can't be bothered to exercise more or eat healthier
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If youre a male not on some type of weight gaining meds you dont really have an excuse.
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High protein/fat, low carbs, no artificial sugars. Couple that diet with exercise and you're golden.
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Alexanaxela posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I think we're talking about those people who have real problems, and not your average joe who could afford to lose a few pounds.

sounds like we finally found the problem. I've been talking about the average overweight person i.e. the person that can't be bothered to exercise more or eat healthier

Fair enough. I thought Sami1000's original comment made the distinction fairly implicitly though: "You can't expect everyone to be able to do everything you can, because they aren't you. Reasons for becoming fat or just living unhealthy isn't the same for all. Sure, the food is the issue but what pushes people to do it varies."

Sure, most people just need to clean up their acts, but some people just have problems. If you can be sympathetic for someone having depression and avoiding social contact to deal with it then I think you can be sympathetic for people having depression and using food to deal with it.
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+50 CE points to pinky for his responses ITT. you articulated that all very well, sir, kudos.
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pinky0926 posted...

Sure, most people just need to clean up their acts

we are agreed. Exercising more and eating healthier will fix most of the problem and is good advice to give, even if people aren't willing to actually follow it
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Alexanaxela posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Sure, most people just need to clean up their acts

we are agreed. Exercising more and eating healthier will fix most of the problem and is good advice to give, even if people aren't willing to actually follow it

Exercise and good nutrition will also help dampen the effects of depression as well.

Seems like a good solution to many problems.
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