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Doom_Art 03/17/18 8:02:30 AM #51:	DavidWong posted... why not try to learn about why other people believe/follow that way of thinking, instead of dismissing it as "well it's the opposite of what I believe so it MUST be wrong!"? I don't think strongmen and authoritarianism/totalitarianism with expansionism tossed in is an appropriate way to run a country or interact with the rest of the world. I don't think I'm holding a particularly controversial viewpoint tbh --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897965618] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>why not try to learn about why other people believe/follow that way of thinking, instead of dismissing it as "well it's the opposite of what I believe so it MUST be wrong!"?</quote> I don't think strongmen and authoritarianism/totalitarianism with expansionism tossed in is an appropriate way to run a country or interact with the rest of the world. I don't think I'm holding a particularly controversial viewpoint tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:06:14 AM #52:	Doom_Art posted... DavidWong posted... why not try to learn about why other people believe/follow that way of thinking, instead of dismissing it as "well it's the opposite of what I believe so it MUST be wrong!"? I don't think strongmen and authoritarianism/totalitarianism with expansionism tossed in is an appropriate way to run a country or interact with the rest of the world. I don't think I'm holding a particularly controversial viewpoint tbh That's totally fair enough. However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way, how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term? In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. Even as some people are evil, nobody ever thinks they are evil. Everybody acts in the way that they believe is in the best interest for themselves and their people. --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897965685] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>why not try to learn about why other people believe/follow that way of thinking, instead of dismissing it as "well it's the opposite of what I believe so it MUST be wrong!"?</quote> I don't think strongmen and authoritarianism/totalitarianism with expansionism tossed in is an appropriate way to run a country or interact with the rest of the world. I don't think I'm holding a particularly controversial viewpoint tbh</quote> That's totally fair enough. However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way, how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term? In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. Even as some people are evil, nobody ever thinks they are evil. Everybody acts in the way that they believe is in the best interest for themselves and their people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/17/18 8:10:53 AM #53:	DavidWong posted... However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way I don't particularly care for his reasons or excuses for consolidating power around himself and his cronies tbh. DavidWong posted... how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term? And Stalin completely industrialized Russia in a decade. Changed it from a society of peasants and farmers into a powerhouse. I don't admire him either. DavidWong posted... In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. We've had other cases of a country falling on hard times and being pulled out of it without a dictator assuming power tbh. DavidWong posted... Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. Again, I don't really care about whatever excuses he might make. Take a look at Russia's history and its current position/relationship with other nations and see how this sort of thing has worked out for them. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897965780] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way</quote> I don't particularly care for his reasons or excuses for consolidating power around himself and his cronies tbh. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term?</quote> And Stalin completely industrialized Russia in a decade. Changed it from a society of peasants and farmers into a powerhouse. I don't admire him either. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. </quote> We've had other cases of a country falling on hard times and being pulled out of it without a dictator assuming power tbh. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. </quote> Again, I don't really care about whatever excuses he might make. Take a look at Russia's history and its current position/relationship with other nations and see how this sort of thing has worked out for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 03/17/18 8:12:19 AM #54:	DavidWong posted... ..I feel like we're having two different conversations here. But anyway some great things include portable nuclear power stations (an amazing example of technological innovation), the arts culture (ballet, musical theatre, classical music etc), vodka, Tetris, and the women. Russian women are among the worlds most beautiful, imo. There are better vodka manufacturers than Russia, and other Slavic women who are more attractive, and I'm pretty sure we'd have nuclear power plants without Russia... --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 84/99 Fishing. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:897965817] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>..I feel like we're having two different conversations here. But anyway some great things include portable nuclear power stations (an amazing example of technological innovation), the arts culture (ballet, musical theatre, classical music etc), vodka, Tetris, and the women. Russian women are among the worlds most beautiful, imo.</quote> There are better vodka manufacturers than Russia, and other Slavic women who are more attractive, and I'm pretty sure we'd have nuclear power plants without Russia...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:19:34 AM #55:	Doom_Art posted... DavidWong posted... However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way I don't particularly care for his reasons or excuses for consolidating power around himself and his cronies tbh. DavidWong posted... how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term? And Stalin completely industrialized Russia in a decade. Changed it from a society of peasants and farmers into a powerhouse. I don't admire him either. DavidWong posted... In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. We've had other cases of a country falling on hard times and being pulled out of it without a dictator assuming power tbh. DavidWong posted... Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. Again, I don't really care about whatever excuses he might make. Take a look at Russia's history and its current position/relationship with other nations and see how this sort of thing has worked out for them. It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do. It's why politics, to me, should not be emotional. Everybody gets caught up in the other party wanting to do something one way, and if they disagree with that, they just get upset and can't rationally argue. Look at the gun control debate in America, for a prime example. A question which is impossible to answer. Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region? True. However, democracy is not perfect. True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different. --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897965948] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>However, have you read as to why Putin has acted in this way</quote> I don't particularly care for his reasons or excuses for consolidating power around himself and his cronies tbh. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>how he has tripled the Russian economy and quality of life since he has been in term?</quote> And Stalin completely industrialized Russia in a decade. Changed it from a society of peasants and farmers into a powerhouse. I don't admire him either. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>In the future, we may look back at this and say "wow, he was the 21st century's worst tyrant". I am open to that. However, maybe Russia needed a leader like Putin to bring them out of the post-Soviet wilderness. </quote> We've had other cases of a country falling on hard times and being pulled out of it without a dictator assuming power tbh. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>Let's not forget the Soviet Union was a superpower, and for it to collapse as it did would be a bitter pill to swallow. Maybe Putin truly believes that the way he is ruling may not be the best short term solution for the people but it is the best long term solution for Russia. </quote> Again, I don't really care about whatever excuses he might make. Take a look at Russia's history and its current position/relationship with other nations and see how this sort of thing has worked out for them.</quote> It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do. It's why politics, to me, should not be emotional. Everybody gets caught up in the other party wanting to do something one way, and if they disagree with that, they just get upset and can't rationally argue. Look at the gun control debate in America, for a prime example. A question which is impossible to answer. Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region? True. However, democracy is not perfect. True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DavidWong 03/17/18 8:39:30 AM #57:	M_Live posted... I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot Why do you think this? --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966372] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot</quote> Why do you think this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/17/18 8:43:08 AM #58:	M_Live posted... I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot You're not entirely wrong tbh While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. As for oppression, well just take a peek and see what the Kremlin does to opponents or journalists they don't like. Or ahem former spies living abroad. And you bet yer bottom dollar there's buttloads of censorship in Russia. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897966450] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot</quote> You're not entirely wrong tbh While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. As for oppression, well just take a peek and see what the Kremlin does to opponents or journalists they don't like. Or ahem former spies living abroad. And you bet yer bottom dollar there's buttloads of censorship in Russia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:44:51 AM #59:	Doom_Art posted... M_Live posted... I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot You're not entirely wrong tbh While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. As for oppression, well just take a peek and see what the Kremlin does to opponents or journalists they don't like. Or ahem former spies living abroad. And you bet yer bottom dollar there's buttloads of censorship in Russia. Let's be real. The CIA would take out double agents in a second. They just wouldn't be so brazen as to do it in broad daylight. --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966489] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot</quote> You're not entirely wrong tbh While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. As for oppression, well just take a peek and see what the Kremlin does to opponents or journalists they don't like. Or ahem former spies living abroad. And you bet yer bottom dollar there's buttloads of censorship in Russia.</quote> Let's be real. The CIA would take out double agents in a second. They just wouldn't be so brazen as to do it in broad daylight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DavidWong 03/17/18 8:46:07 AM #61:	I'd just like to clarify I am neither US or Russian born, so I am impartial here. I am enjoying playing devils advocate, because I truly believe it's important to understand the thinking of the "other side" and consider it. --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966517] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote>I'd just like to clarify I am neither US or Russian born, so I am impartial here. I am enjoying playing devils advocate, because I truly believe it's important to understand the thinking of the "other side" and consider it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/17/18 8:47:13 AM #62:	DavidWong posted... It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do. Russia has a tendency towards dictatorial forms of government and an expansionist foreign policy. Things I'm politically opposed to. DavidWong posted... Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region? The United States was a largely agrarian society and industrialized quite heavily. I don't recall hearing about all sorts of massive famines and uprisings with millions of casualties So essentially no, it was not the price to pay for long term growth in the region. DavidWong posted... True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different. And I'm opposed to Trump as well. Because those politics and worldview aren't good. Loops back to my original point. Russia isn't something to aspire to or emulate. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897966533] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do.</quote> Russia has a tendency towards dictatorial forms of government and an expansionist foreign policy. Things I'm politically opposed to. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region?</quote> The United States was a largely agrarian society and industrialized quite heavily. I don't recall hearing about all sorts of massive famines and uprisings with millions of casualties So essentially no, it was not the price to pay for long term growth in the region. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different. </quote> And I'm opposed to Trump as well. Because those politics and worldview aren't good. Loops back to my original point. Russia isn't something to aspire to or emulate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:48:45 AM #63:	M_Live posted... DavidWong posted... M_Live posted... I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot Why do you think this? Everything I've ever learned/read about the place. It's not high on my list of other countries I'm dying to visit some day. Fair enough. I have visited the US, and absolutely loved it. I will be back for sure. Amazing country. I will be visiting Turkey and Bosnia later this year, and next year plan on a Russia/Poland/Ukraine trip. I also went to India a couple of years ago. I love seeing different cultures, different political systems, different religious beliefs. I truly think it's important to sit and listen to as many people as possible from as many different cultures as you can. --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966565] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly thought Russia was a bad place, with a lot of poorness and opression and censorship and whatnot</quote> Why do you think this?</quote> Everything I've ever learned/read about the place. It's not high on my list of other countries I'm dying to visit some day.</quote> Fair enough. I have visited the US, and absolutely loved it. I will be back for sure. Amazing country. I will be visiting Turkey and Bosnia later this year, and next year plan on a Russia/Poland/Ukraine trip. I also went to India a couple of years ago. I love seeing different cultures, different political systems, different religious beliefs. I truly think it's important to sit and listen to as many people as possible from as many different cultures as you can.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:51:08 AM #64:	Doom_Art posted... DavidWong posted... It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do. Russia has a tendency towards dictatorial forms of government and an expansionist foreign policy. Things I'm politically opposed to. DavidWong posted... Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region? The United States was a largely agrarian society and industrialized quite heavily. I don't recall hearing about all sorts of massive famines and uprisings with millions of casualties So essentially no, it was not the price to pay for long term growth in the region. DavidWong posted... True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different. And I'm opposed to Trump as well. Because those politics and worldview aren't good. Loops back to my original point. Russia isn't something to aspire to or emulate. You make very fair points and I accept your arguments. Personally I would need to read more about the economic and political climates at the time of the Soviet and the US' industrialization, so can't offer a counter argument. Good discussion, cheers --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966610] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>It's not about caring, it's about understanding reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. You need to be able to separate emotion and understand why people act the way they do.</quote> Russia has a tendency towards dictatorial forms of government and an expansionist foreign policy. Things I'm politically opposed to. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>Would the Soviet Union had grown to a powerhouse as it did without Stalin? Could it have been done differently? Not talking about the execution/exile of opponents - this is barbaric. However, the industrialisation, though it may or may not have caused millions of deaths due to the famine. Was this a price to pay for the long term growth of the region?</quote> The United States was a largely agrarian society and industrialized quite heavily. I don't recall hearing about all sorts of massive famines and uprisings with millions of casualties So essentially no, it was not the price to pay for long term growth in the region. <cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote>True again. However look at the US' position/relationship with other countries, and it is heading down a similar path. Trump supporters praise Trumps "America First" policies. Putin essentially follows a "Russia First" policy. They're not so different. </quote> And I'm opposed to Trump as well. Because those politics and worldview aren't good. Loops back to my original point. Russia isn't something to aspire to or emulate.</quote> You make very fair points and I accept your arguments. Personally I would need to read more about the economic and political climates at the time of the Soviet and the US' industrialization, so can't offer a counter argument. Good discussion, cheers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 03/17/18 8:54:31 AM #65:	You're much more civilized than I assumed at first. Sorry if I was aggressive or rude lol. Good talk yo --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:897966692] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote>You're much more civilized than I assumed at first. Sorry if I was aggressive or rude lol. Good talk yo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foreveraIone 03/17/18 8:55:54 AM #67:	Doom_Art posted... While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. Wasn't it mostly due to the oil price boom anyways? As in. It wasn't a major accomplishment? --- https://i.imgur.com/3RCJd8I.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:897966719] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>While it's true that Putin has tripled the GDP of Russia (which is not itself saying much, since its economy is roughly the size of Italy's at this point) the increase in wealth isn't really reflected in the general population. </quote> Wasn't it mostly due to the oil price boom anyways? As in. It wasn't a major accomplishment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 03/17/18 8:57:28 AM #68:	Doom_Art posted... You're much more civilized than I assumed at first. Sorry if I was aggressive or rude lol. Good talk yo I am annoyingly unemotional (so my fiance and parents tell me), so debating is fun for me. I have my beliefs and theories, but I love to hear other peoples', particularly those with a different opinion to my own. It's the best way to learn, and I'm okay with accepting another person's argument if I can see the logic behind it. It can be a refreshing way to approach things - if someone attacks your way of thinking, don't be defensive and emotional, start questioning their way of thinking. :) --- Nice guy? I don't give a s*. Good father? F* you! Go home and play with your kids. If you want to work here, close! <cite>DavidWong posted [p:897966767] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>You're much more civilized than I assumed at first. Sorry if I was aggressive or rude lol. Good talk yo</quote> I am annoyingly unemotional (so my fiance and parents tell me), so debating is fun for me. I have my beliefs and theories, but I love to hear other peoples', particularly those with a different opinion to my own. It's the best way to learn, and I'm okay with accepting another person's argument if I can see the logic behind it. It can be a refreshing way to approach things - if someone attacks your way of thinking, don't be defensive and emotional, start questioning their way of thinking. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 03/19/18 4:34:35 AM #69:	Hexenherz posted... s0nicfan posted... jumi posted... What's the pro-Russia version of a weeb? A RushB? An Ivan-a-fan? I like it. What about a Peterphile? (Peter the Great) ... I tried. --- http://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks http://youtu.be/q2gO4DKVpa8 http://DemocraticUnderground.com/?com=latest_threads http://reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/new <cite>Notti posted [p:898072888] in I actually... [t:76419217]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote>What's the pro-Russia version of a weeb?</quote> A RushB?</quote> An Ivan-a-fan?</quote> I like it. What about a Peterphile? (Peter the Great) ... I tried.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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