Board 8 > Rock starts Persona 5 with no promises of finishing it *SPOILERS*

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Strife2
03/30/18 12:30:36 AM
#152:


It's a cat.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:33:29 AM
#153:


Strife2 posted...
It's a cat.


So it doesn't become human? Cause you're kinda spoiling it for me by repeatedly saying it's a cat. Either it's a human trapped as a cat, an actual cat, or like a shadow or something.
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Strife2
03/30/18 12:34:36 AM
#154:


Morgana "thinks" it becomes human, and he says it in the first Palace. It's his driving motivation, but the game doesn't outright reveal it one way or another (until later). For all intents and purposes now, he's a talking cat...thing in Palaces, that turns into a cat in the real world, and a can turn into a van (?) in Mementos. I didn't spoil anything.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:38:39 AM
#155:


Who says its a boy despite all indicators it being a girl.
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Strife2
03/30/18 12:39:10 AM
#156:


The character himself...many times over.
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mnkboy907
03/30/18 12:39:15 AM
#157:


The game?
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trdl23
03/30/18 12:40:00 AM
#158:


Untagging. I'm getting dumber reading this.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:43:13 AM
#159:


Strife2 posted...
The character himself...many times over.


Right but the character also says its human despite no indication it is.

And my whole point was that the designers seemed to do all these things to indicate its female, save it claiming it's a boy because, imo, they're uncomfortable with putting anything resembling a homosexual relationship in this game. Like, what would be the harm in a romantic relationship with someone like Yusuke in this game?
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:43:44 AM
#160:


trdl23 posted...
Untagging. I'm getting dumber reading this.


Oh noooooooooo

Whatever will I doooooooooooo?
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Strife2
03/30/18 12:47:58 AM
#161:


That concern should be thrown at Joker (the PC who can actually make the Confidants), rather than Morgana. Japan is behind in terms of being inclusive.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:48:38 AM
#162:


Btw, I love Piggytron.

Wish I could get it as a persona.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 12:50:17 AM
#163:


Strife2 posted...
That concern should be thrown at Joker (the PC who can actually make the Confidants), rather than Morgana. Japan is behind in terms of being inclusive.


I take issue with all of it. It's like they designed this character and at the last second some meddling executive said "IT HAS TO BE A BOY, GIRLS CAN'T LIKE GIRLS LIKE THAT."
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Solioxrz362
03/30/18 12:58:09 AM
#164:


Rock aren't you left-leaning politically? You should be very against choosing Morgana's gender for him

The cat can be a damn boy if he wants to. And he literally says he's a boy.
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Strife2
03/30/18 12:58:33 AM
#165:


You're overanalyzing it. It's creepy/comedic because of what Morgana looks like when he does it, not because of his gender. How he's really a human, or really a cat/shadow/something else, the implication of BEASTALITY is at play here.

I'm shocked that hasn't crossed your mind yet.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 1:23:01 AM
#166:


Solioxrz362 posted...
Rock aren't you left-leaning politically? You should be very against choosing Morgana's gender for him

The cat can be a damn boy if he wants to. And he literally says he's a boy.


It's a fictional character so I can damn well decide whatever gender I want. The designers sure as hell did.

Strife2 posted...
You're overanalyzing it. It's creepy/comedic because of what Morgana looks like when he does it, not because of his gender. How he could "potentially" be human, or "potentially" really a cat/shadow/something else. At this point in the game however, the implication of BEASTALITY is at play here. That's why I find awkward and disturbing.

I'm shocked that hasn't crossed your mind yet. And even now, I'm overanalyzing.


So we're not allowed to analyze video games now? Cause I'll lock this topic if my thoughts have to be relegated to "this game is fun/shit/etc."

As for the thought of bestiality, pretty sure even Morgana implies that he needs to hurry up and turn into a human first. So no that really didn't cross my mind because even Morgana acknowledges he can't do shit in his current form.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 1:24:24 AM
#167:


Basically this ain't Michael Bay's Michelangelo trying to bang April O'Neil.
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Solioxrz362
03/30/18 1:34:51 AM
#168:


TheRock1525 posted...
The designers sure as hell did.

yes so don't be dumb by fighting a pointless battle against no one by saying that the game is wrong about its own characters

morgana is a boy. end of discussion imo

we'd be glad to hear your extended thoughts on the game, but you're gonna lose some people insisting that morgana is not a boy because morgana is literally a boy.
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Strife2
03/30/18 1:37:54 AM
#169:


All I'm saying is Morgana being male has more to do with a voice acting staple (girls voicing male characters) than Atlus saying, "HAHA NOPE BOY; fuck gender politics and sexual expression!" Females probably voice 95% of young boys in shows. I've only ever hear you and one Youtuber bring this up.

This same franchise gave us Kanji and Naoto, and crossdressing pageants, but this is probably one of those instances where zero shits were probably given outside of, "Anna's hot, so of course he'd faun over her boobies." I mean, he's not wrong. It's just dumb because of what he looks like.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 1:41:50 AM
#170:


Solioxrz362 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
The designers sure as hell did.

yes so don't be dumb by fighting a pointless battle against no one by saying that the game is wrong about its own characters


I'm pointing out that the designers gave a character all these female qualities and then just randomly decided to say it's a male.

But whatever, sorry I have an opinion on anything about this game and it's design choices. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned I liked Makoto's character design, either. In fact, no more comments like that, this topic will just be matter of fact statements about my progress because any level of critical thought will not be met with reasonable "I don't agree with that" but rather "OMG U SO DUM UNSUBSCRIBE."
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 1:49:16 AM
#171:


Like for fucks sake the voice actress literally argued Morgana is gender neutral so why the fuck can't I argue that the character was clearly intended to be female but was likely made male for the sake of standard Japanese culture? Why get your knickers in a twist if I refer to it as he, she, or anything in-between, which started this whole conversation anyway?
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Solioxrz362
03/30/18 2:02:30 AM
#172:


i'm not gonna deny that it might have been done because of cultural reasons in Japan.

I will repeat this though

Solioxrz362 posted...
we'd be glad to hear your extended thoughts on the game, but you're gonna lose some people insisting that morgana is not a boy because morgana is literally a boy.


I will add that I enjoyed your thoughts on the cast. Please continue thinking about the game and talking to us about the game. That is not what we're getting you on lol, we're getting you on persistently calling Morgana a girl despite the game directly pointing out that Morgana is a boy. That is not a matter of discussion, it is a matter of the game already defined what Morgana is.

you see, we're not really saying you CAN'T call morgana a girl. you certainly can. but at that point, it's like when MWC calls something by an incorrect label (Cokes=Cherry, LeBron=LeCheat, Alexa Bliss=talentless whore) just because that's what he thinks and everyone gets annoyed because it's kinda dumb

you've got a solid argument when it comes to the cultural bit, but morgana's character is a boy. calling morgana a girl even though that is not what morgana is... i'm not saying it makes you MWC, but there's certainly a parallel in those two actions
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Strife2
03/30/18 2:03:29 AM
#173:


I don't think having that stance is wrong. I thought the same thing hearing Cassandra's voice and then the game going, "NOPE GUY NOW!" I thought she was female too. But the game said no, so I stopped worrying about it.

But I would phrase it differently, "You know, this Morgana thing is kinda funny, weird, and dumb. She probably should have been made female, don't you guys think?" A more open ended question for us as a jumping off point.

The whole discussion just got fucked up from the start on both sides.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 2:13:53 AM
#174:


The problem is I am absolutely 100% gonna forget that Morgana is a boy routinely throughout this play through because it's literally said like, what, twice at the point I'm at? So he/she/it will probably be used interchangeably because I will literally not remember as I get dozens of more hours into the game.

The initial statement about him wasn't even me trying to go "Morgana is a girl!" It was mostly just a slip, but when someone brought up its a boy, I felt the need to dive into this discussion.
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Strife2
03/30/18 8:46:32 AM
#175:


Well, there's enough stuff to harp on Persona 5 still. Like Ryuji and Mishima continuing to exist.
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profDEADPOOL
03/30/18 11:07:38 AM
#176:


Strife2 posted...
All I'm saying is Morgana being male has more to do with a voice acting staple (girls voicing male characters) than Atlus saying, "HAHA NOPE BOY; fuck gender politics and sexual expression!" Females probably voice 95% of young boys in shows.

Yeah this is the big thing that makes me not jump to Morgana is a girl.

Characters like them are often voiced by ladies. Ash, Goku early on, etc.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 11:21:39 AM
#177:


profDEADPOOL posted...
Characters like them are often voiced by ladies. Ash, Goku early on, etc.


Right, which is why I cited her specifically doing a woman's voice (ala Edea Lee) and not a child's voice. And I don't see how it's much better if I had assumed that Morgana was supposed to be a child like Ash and early Dragon Ball Goku because that makes it REALLY gross.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 11:22:13 AM
#178:


Strife2 posted...
Well, there's enough stuff to harp on Persona 5 still. Like Ryuji and Mishima continuing to exist.


Also, the fuck is this? These two are great.
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Regaro
03/30/18 11:23:48 AM
#179:


Fwiw I seem to recall Morgana's japanese voice being significantly more obvious on the "girl doing a younger/higher-pitched male voice" thing
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Strife2
03/30/18 11:26:16 AM
#180:


So you enjoy Ryuji constantly blabbing out the name of your underground organization in public, which FINALLY got them screwed by Makoto?
Or trying to pick a fight with a politician in a restaurant?
Or the time he and Mishima set your ass up with a maid service?
Or both of them trying to use this situation to pick up girls?

He means well, but he is SO FUCKING bad at the basic concept of being a team player.
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Mewtwo59
03/30/18 12:02:56 PM
#181:


Regaro posted...
Fwiw I seem to recall Morgana's japanese voice being significantly more obvious on the "girl doing a younger/higher-pitched male voice" thing


Is that true? Because I find that funny considering who she's best known for voicing.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 2:08:12 PM
#182:


Strife2 posted...
So you enjoy Ryuji constantly blabbing out the name of your underground organization in public, which FINALLY got them screwed by Makoto?
Or trying to pick a fight with a politician in a restaurant?
Or the time he and Mishima set your ass up with a maid service?
Or both of them trying to use this situation to pick up girls?


It makes him a more realistic teenager yeah.
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profDEADPOOL
03/30/18 2:35:30 PM
#183:


TheRock1525 posted...
profDEADPOOL posted...
Characters like them are often voiced by ladies. Ash, Goku early on, etc.


Right, which is why I cited her specifically doing a woman's voice (ala Edea Lee) and not a child's voice. And I don't see how it's much better if I had assumed that Morgana was supposed to be a child like Ash and early Dragon Ball Goku because that makes it REALLY gross.

Ehhhhhhh I feel like that's English VA only then but I also missed that in my skimming. I played with Japanese VA and it sounded exactly like Ash/Goku/etc in their subs.
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Grand Kirby
03/30/18 4:37:03 PM
#184:


Bart Simpson is a girl.

And Timmy Turner.

And Tommy Pickles.
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TheRock1525
03/30/18 11:19:33 PM
#185:


BTW, is the MC voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch again?
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xp1337
03/30/18 11:21:31 PM
#186:


TheRock1525 posted...
BTW, is the MC voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch again?

Nope. Xander Mobus.
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TheRock1525
03/31/18 12:26:15 AM
#187:


He sounds a lot like him.
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Strife2
03/31/18 9:46:37 PM
#188:


I CAN FEEL IT!

bump
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Strife2
04/01/18 11:35:23 PM
#189:


Bump
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TheRock1525
04/01/18 11:38:16 PM
#190:


Izanagi!
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Strife2
04/03/18 12:49:24 PM
#191:


Orpheus!
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TheRock1525
04/03/18 1:11:48 PM
#192:


I'll probably do a ranking of the palaces/"victims" so far when I finish up the Tomb.
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 12:22:24 AM
#193:


Jesus, did I just do Futaba's entire palace in one go?
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Strife2
04/04/18 12:27:56 AM
#194:


DAMN!

pretty good
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 12:32:06 AM
#195:


There wasn't any great place to grind, so I might just send the calling card super early this time. But I still have 26 days left.

I'm level 36, average level is 29.
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 12:33:07 AM
#196:


I just hate going to Mementos so much, I literally just go there to do the requests, so it kinda makes sense to just keep grinding Palaces.
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Grand Kirby
04/04/18 12:33:20 AM
#197:


Finishing Futaba's palace as early as possible ends up being hilarious.
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 12:36:39 AM
#198:


Oh so I guess everyone is going to show up at LeBlancs?
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 12:40:02 AM
#199:


Grand Kirby posted...
Finishing Futaba's palace as early as possible ends up being hilarious.


I ended up spending a day with Yusuke first.

Did I miss out?
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trdl23
04/04/18 3:28:28 PM
#200:


TheRock1525 posted...
Grand Kirby posted...
Finishing Futaba's palace as early as possible ends up being hilarious.


I ended up spending a day with Yusuke first.

Did I miss out?

No, its still funny.
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TheRock1525
04/04/18 3:44:36 PM
#201:


trdl23 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Grand Kirby posted...
Finishing Futaba's palace as early as possible ends up being hilarious.


I ended up spending a day with Yusuke first.

Did I miss out?

No, its still funny.


Alright cool. I had to skip all the dialogue post-boss in Futaba's palace cause i needed to get to bed, so I have no idea what's going on. She in a coma?
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