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Antifar 03/17/18 3:14:14 PM #1:	http://www.wral.com/to-find-suspects-police-quietly-turn-to-google/17377435/ ...In March 2017, months after investigations began into both shootings, separate detectives on each case, one day apart, employed an innovative strategy in criminal investigations. On a satellite image, they drew shapes around the crime scenes, marking the coordinates on the map. Then they convinced a Wake County judge they had enough probable cause to order Google to hand over account identifiers on every single cell phone that crossed the digital cordon during certain times. In at least four investigations last year cases of murder, sexual battery and even possible arson at the massive downtown fire in March 2017 Raleigh police used search warrants to demand Google accounts not of specific suspects, but from any mobile devices that veered too close to the scene of a crime, according to a WRAL News review of court records. These warrants often prevent the technology giant for months from disclosing information about the searches not just to potential suspects, but to any users swept up in the search. City and county officials say the practice is a natural evolution of criminal investigative techniques. They point out that, by seeking search warrants, they're carefully balancing civil rights with public safety. Defense attorneys and privacy advocates, both locally and nationally, aren't so sure. They're mixed on how law enforcement turns to Google's massive cache of user data, especially without a clear target in mind. And they're concerned about the potential to snag innocent users, many of whom might not know just how closely the company tracks their every move. "We are willingly sharing an awful lot of our lives with Google," said Jonathan Jones, a former Durham prosecutor who directs the North Carolina Open Government Coalition at Elon University. "But do people understand that in sharing that information with Google, they're also potentially sharing it with law enforcement?" Most modern phones, tablets and laptops have built-in location tracking that pings some combination of GPS, Wi-Fi and mobile networks to determine the device's position. That should come as no surprise to users of apps like Google Maps, Yelp and other software that becomes more helpful with the addition of accurate location data. This data is immensely valuable to Google, one of the reasons the company collects and stores the information on users of both its Android operating system and, in some cases, mobile apps such as Gmail. "From an average smartphone user's perspective, it's a little surprising once you start to learn the full scope of information about our locations and whereabouts and activities that companies like Google hold," said Nathan Freed Wessler, staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project. ... Business and technology news site Quartz discovered late last year that Google continued to track devices even when all GPS, Wi-Fi and cell networks were supposedly disabled. The tech giant says it has updated its software to stop the practice. For its part, law enforcement makes frequent use of cellular network data to build cases. "We certainly, for a number of years, have seen cell phone data specific to an individual that might be used in a case to try to build part of a story," Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman said. "It's one piece in a larger story and one investigative tool of many." Wessler, who recently argued before the Supreme Court in a major cell tower case, said "reverse searches" have been used to obtain dumps of device information from cell towers of a broad area when a suspect is unknown. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:897982204] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>http://www.wral.com/to-find-suspects-police-quietly-turn-to-google/17377435/ <quote>...In March 2017, months after investigations began into both shootings, separate detectives on each case, one day apart, employed an innovative strategy in criminal investigations. On a satellite image, they drew shapes around the crime scenes, marking the coordinates on the map. Then they convinced a Wake County judge they had enough probable cause to order Google to hand over account identifiers on every single cell phone that crossed the digital cordon during certain times. In at least four investigations last year cases of murder, sexual battery and even possible arson at the massive downtown fire in March 2017 Raleigh police used search warrants to demand Google accounts not of specific suspects, but from any mobile devices that veered too close to the scene of a crime, according to a WRAL News review of court records. These warrants often prevent the technology giant for months from disclosing information about the searches not just to potential suspects, but to any users swept up in the search. City and county officials say the practice is a natural evolution of criminal investigative techniques. They point out that, by seeking search warrants, they're carefully balancing civil rights with public safety. Defense attorneys and privacy advocates, both locally and nationally, aren't so sure. They're mixed on how law enforcement turns to Google's massive cache of user data, especially without a clear target in mind. And they're concerned about the potential to snag innocent users, many of whom might not know just how closely the company tracks their every move. "We are willingly sharing an awful lot of our lives with Google," said Jonathan Jones, a former Durham prosecutor who directs the North Carolina Open Government Coalition at Elon University. "But do people understand that in sharing that information with Google, they're also potentially sharing it with law enforcement?" Most modern phones, tablets and laptops have built-in location tracking that pings some combination of GPS, Wi-Fi and mobile networks to determine the device's position. That should come as no surprise to users of apps like Google Maps, Yelp and other software that becomes more helpful with the addition of accurate location data. This data is immensely valuable to Google, one of the reasons the company collects and stores the information on users of both its Android operating system and, in some cases, mobile apps such as Gmail. "From an average smartphone user's perspective, it's a little surprising once you start to learn the full scope of information about our locations and whereabouts and activities that companies like Google hold," said Nathan Freed Wessler, staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project. ... Business and technology news site Quartz discovered late last year that Google continued to track devices even when all GPS, Wi-Fi and cell networks were supposedly disabled. The tech giant says it has updated its software to stop the practice. For its part, law enforcement makes frequent use of cellular network data to build cases. "We certainly, for a number of years, have seen cell phone data specific to an individual that might be used in a case to try to build part of a story," Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman said. "It's one piece in a larger story and one investigative tool of many." Wessler, who recently argued before the Supreme Court in a major cell tower case, said "reverse searches" have been used to obtain dumps of device information from cell towers of a broad area when a suspect is unknown.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 03/17/18 3:23:27 PM #2:	We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there! --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:897982698] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 03/17/18 3:24:50 PM #3:	Actually a pretty smart strategy, honestly. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:897982782] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>Actually a pretty smart strategy, honestly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 03/17/18 3:26:05 PM #4:	fuck the police --- https://i.imgur.com/IYZ3NIM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i2U0ahc.png <cite>Doe posted [p:897982853] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>fuck the police</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 03/17/18 3:27:08 PM #5:	FLUFFYGERM posted... We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there! --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:897982911] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there!</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 03/17/18 3:29:30 PM #6:	dont need the NSA when we have a myriad of private companies willing to do the data collection for the feds --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:897983029] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>dont need the NSA when we have a myriad of private companies willing to do the data collection for the feds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 03/17/18 3:30:20 PM #7:	Patchwork posted... Actually a pretty smart strategy, honestly. --- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/volcaitlin/gifs/dancning.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:897983067] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Actually a pretty smart strategy, honestly.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/17/18 3:32:11 PM #8:	Fair, next. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:897983167] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>Fair, next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 03/17/18 3:33:15 PM #9:	those police should go fuck themselves, as should anyone that supports this --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:897983206] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>those police should go fuck themselves, as should anyone that supports this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 03/17/18 3:37:08 PM #10:	usually i turn location services off unless i'm using something that explicitly requires it like navigation (google maps, etc). many companies passively harvest and retain this kind of data to sell and use it, surprised people aren't entirely aware of this in 2018. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:897983394] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>usually i turn location services off unless i'm using something that explicitly requires it like navigation (google maps, etc). many companies passively harvest and retain this kind of data to sell and use it, surprised people aren't entirely aware of this in 2018.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 03/17/18 3:41:57 PM #11:	also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:897983634] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElementPro 03/17/18 3:43:20 PM #12:	Whats the problem? --- Peace is a human right. <cite>ElementPro posted [p:897983699] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 3:45:31 PM #13:	This is another case of good intentions and somewhat sensible justification (catching criminals) potentially (and probably) leading to longer term unintended consequences. It is dicy, but this is a no-go for me <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897983807] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>This is another case of good intentions and somewhat sensible justification (catching criminals) potentially (and probably) leading to longer term unintended consequences. It is dicy, but this is a no-go for me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 3:46:58 PM #14:	Kazi1212 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there! --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897983886] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>We better make government even more powerful. And take away the 2nd Amendment so we can rely on police for self defense. No problem there!</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 03/17/18 3:47:43 PM #15:	ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? ELEMENTPRO Novice User User Since: Feb 2018 Karma: 37 Active Posts: 14 --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:897983921] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> ELEMENTPRO Novice User User Since: Feb 2018 Karma: 37 Active Posts: 14</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 3:47:49 PM #16:	ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897983926] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 3:47:50 PM #17:	Thanks, literally every non-libertarian politician of the past 60 years! --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897983927] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>Thanks, literally every non-libertarian politician of the past 60 years!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElementPro 03/17/18 3:48:46 PM #18:	_RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. --- Peace is a human right. <cite>ElementPro posted [p:897983967] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 3:48:52 PM #19:	ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? You love the Patriot Act, huh? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897983970] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> You love the Patriot Act, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 03/17/18 3:50:38 PM #20:	Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:897984069] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElementPro 03/17/18 3:51:08 PM #21:	darkjedilink posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? You love the Patriot Act, huh? Not a criminal, I have nothing to fear. --- Peace is a human right. <cite>ElementPro posted [p:897984091] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> You love the Patriot Act, huh?</quote> Not a criminal, I have nothing to fear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 3:51:35 PM #22:	Patchwork posted... Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes. It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897984116] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes.</quote> It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 03/17/18 3:52:27 PM #23:	ElementPro posted... Not a criminal, I have nothing to fear. because god made law infallible --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:897984162] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Not a criminal, I have nothing to fear.</quote> because god made law infallible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 03/17/18 3:52:48 PM #24:	why are you guys feeding the alt? --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:897984182] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>why are you guys feeding the alt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/17/18 3:53:08 PM #25:	The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:897984205] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 03/17/18 3:53:24 PM #26:	Kombucha posted... also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently. Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:897984215] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently.</quote> Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 03/17/18 3:54:04 PM #27:	TomNook20 posted... Kombucha posted... also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently. Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost can you link me or do you remember the name of the case? i'm interested in this kind of stuff so i'd like to read about it. edit: the latest thing i can find on this is https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/jail-looms-large-for-suspects-ordered-to-reveal-forgotten-passwords/ maybe that's what you're referring to? --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:897984248] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently.</quote> Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost</quote> can you link me or do you remember the name of the case? i'm interested in this kind of stuff so i'd like to read about it. edit: the latest thing i can find on this is https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/jail-looms-large-for-suspects-ordered-to-reveal-forgotten-passwords/ maybe that's what you're referring to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nazanir 03/17/18 3:56:16 PM #28:	ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? Imagine living in a country, that deems everyone as guilty unless proven innocent. If you don't see a problem with this, you deserve everything you get as a result of this. --- XboX GT/Steam/Wii-U - Nazanir <cite>Nazanir posted [p:897984365] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> Imagine living in a country, that deems everyone as guilty unless proven innocent. If you don't see a problem with this, you deserve everything you get as a result of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 3:56:36 PM #29:	Foppe posted... The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well? Government intrusion? Privacy? The Fourth Amendment? Again, are you okay with NSA's data collection? It's literally no different - they get info from telecoms, ISP's and cell carriers to fight crime. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897984380] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well?</quote> Government intrusion? Privacy? The Fourth Amendment? Again, are you okay with NSA's data collection? It's literally no different - they get info from telecoms, ISP's and cell carriers to fight crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 03/17/18 3:57:59 PM #30:	Kombucha posted... TomNook20 posted... Kombucha posted... also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently. Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost can you link me or do you remember the name of the case? i'm interested in this kind of stuff so i'd like to read about it. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/police-can-force-you-to-give-up-your-iphone-password-florida-court-rules/ There are a few different cases around thus issue so nothing is really set in stone yet. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:897984451] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote>also a fun fact, if you use biometrics to unlock your phone (like a fingerprint) you'll be legally obligated to obey a court order to unlock it, even though it seems like an obvious form of self incrimination. passcodes are treated differently.</quote> Nope, there was a court case about passwords and that person lost</quote> can you link me or do you remember the name of the case? i'm interested in this kind of stuff so i'd like to read about it.</quote> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/police-can-force-you-to-give-up-your-iphone-password-florida-court-rules/ There are a few different cases around thus issue so nothing is really set in stone yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 03/17/18 3:58:40 PM #31:	Patchwork posted... Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:897984488] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Google is doing the tracking. Be mad at them. Don't be pissed at the police for using what's available to try to solve crimes.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:03:57 PM #32:	ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation? <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897984753] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElementPro 03/17/18 4:05:54 PM #33:	_RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation? Better not vote those fools in. --- Peace is a human right. <cite>ElementPro posted [p:897984842] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation?</quote> Better not vote those fools in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/17/18 4:06:00 PM #34:	_RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation? Then you will use your AR-15 to defeat Dictator Trump. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:897984846] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation?</quote> Then you will use your AR-15 to defeat Dictator Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:07:02 PM #35:	ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation? Better not vote those fools in. I'm sure a lot of people said "better not vote Trump in." You don't have the mental capacity to even discuss this honestly so I'm done replying to you <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897984892] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation?</quote> Better not vote those fools in.</quote> I'm sure a lot of people said "better not vote Trump in." You don't have the mental capacity to even discuss this honestly so I'm done replying to you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/17/18 4:07:40 PM #36:	ElementPro posted... There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. History suggests otherwise --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:897984912] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> History suggests otherwise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:08:35 PM #37:	Foppe posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... _RETS_ posted... ElementPro posted... Whats the problem? The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road. There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation? Then you will use your AR-15 to defeat Dictator Trump. Sure, that's one of the deterrents and if you think otherwise you've got quite a bit of history to look into <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897984960] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the problem?</quote> The problem is it is foolish to have too much faith in the perpetual benevolence of the government/law enforcement and their mindfulness of the best interests of its citizens. This specific instance may not be a huge problem, but it sets a precedent for more insidious and nefarious things that can easily become problems down the road.</quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> Sure, but what exactly happens when a left-run US adopts hate speech laws? Or when any other overreach leads to laws that punish things that are not clearly defined and up for interpretation?</quote> Then you will use your AR-15 to defeat Dictator Trump.</quote> Sure, that's one of the deterrents and if you think otherwise you've got quite a bit of history to look into</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/17/18 4:08:52 PM #38:	Antifar posted... ElementPro posted... There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. History suggests otherwise Too afraid of doing a revolution? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:897984973] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> History suggests otherwise</quote> Too afraid of doing a revolution?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:10:42 PM #39:	Foppe posted... Antifar posted... ElementPro posted... There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. History suggests otherwise Too afraid of doing a revolution? It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point? <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897985063] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> History suggests otherwise</quote> Too afraid of doing a revolution?</quote> It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 03/17/18 4:16:03 PM #40:	darkjedilink posted... It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant. did you read the article --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:897985319] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant. </quote> did you read the article</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 4:17:45 PM #41:	_RETS_ posted... Foppe posted... Antifar posted... ElementPro posted... There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. History suggests otherwise Too afraid of doing a revolution? It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point? You're talking to a gun-grabber, who thinks the only reason anyone buys a gun is to fight the government. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897985395] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> History suggests otherwise</quote> Too afraid of doing a revolution?</quote> It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point?</quote> You're talking to a gun-grabber, who thinks the only reason anyone buys a gun is to fight the government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:18:50 PM #42:	darkjedilink posted... _RETS_ posted... Foppe posted... Antifar posted... ElementPro posted... There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law. History suggests otherwise Too afraid of doing a revolution? It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point? You're talking to a gun-grabber, who thinks the only reason anyone buys a gun is to fight the government. Yeah, lot of those lately. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897985430] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ElementPro posted...</cite> <quote> There's nothing to fear if you stay on the right side of the law.</quote> History suggests otherwise</quote> Too afraid of doing a revolution?</quote> It what world is a violent revolution preferred to taking the necessary steps to prevent things from getting to that point?</quote> You're talking to a gun-grabber, who thinks the only reason anyone buys a gun is to fight the government.</quote> Yeah, lot of those lately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
user78 03/17/18 4:19:10 PM #43:	I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake. <cite>user78 posted [p:897985444] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote>I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 4:19:29 PM #44:	halomonkey1_3_5 posted... darkjedilink posted... It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant. did you read the article Yes, and nowhere does it say that they got warrants for every individual phone's information. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897985457] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>It shouldn't be available to them without a warrant. </quote> did you read the article</quote> Yes, and nowhere does it say that they got warrants for every individual phone's information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 03/17/18 4:21:44 PM #45:	user78 posted... I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake. Define 'mentally ill' for your scenario. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:897985564] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>user78 posted...</cite> <quote>I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake.</quote> Define 'mentally ill' for your scenario.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 03/17/18 4:24:28 PM #46:	user78 posted... I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake. I fully support clearly defined standards to keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:897985693] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>user78 posted...</cite> <quote>I dont get this... Preventing mentally ill people from getting their hands on guns and preventing them from killing innocent people are bad because that will automatically make the Government steal all the guns in the whole country because that is the only thing that prevents <insert current President> from going into dictator mode and turn every single soldier into brainless zombies that will kill their brothers and sisters... ...but actually doing the revolution is too violent? Talk about wanting to both eat and keeping the cake.</quote> I fully support clearly defined standards to keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 03/17/18 4:32:28 PM #47:	darkjedilink posted... Yes, and nowhere does it say that they got warrants for every individual phone's information. well if you actually read the linked article you could see the warrant itself, but even if you just skimmed the OP you should have seen: In at least four investigations last year cases of murder, sexual battery and even possible arson at the massive downtown fire in March 2017 Raleigh police used search warrants to demand Google accounts not of specific suspects, but from any mobile devices that veered too close to the scene of a crime, according to a WRAL News review of court records. These warrants often prevent the technology giant for months from disclosing information about the searches not just to potential suspects, but to any users swept up in the search. --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:897986061] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, and nowhere does it say that they got warrants for every individual phone's information. </quote> well if you actually read the linked article you could see the warrant itself, but even if you just skimmed the OP you should have seen: <quote>In at least four investigations last year cases of murder, sexual battery and even possible arson at the massive downtown fire in March 2017 Raleigh police used search warrants to demand Google accounts not of specific suspects, but from any mobile devices that veered too close to the scene of a crime, according to a WRAL News review of court records. These warrants often prevent the technology giant for months from disclosing information about the searches not just to potential suspects, but to any users swept up in the search. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 03/17/18 4:41:20 PM #48:	Foppe posted... The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well? Yeah why don't we just hand over all emails and documents to the government? The data already exists durr --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:897986477] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well?</quote> Yeah why don't we just hand over all emails and documents to the government? The data already exists durr</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/17/18 4:43:50 PM #49:	ChainedRedone posted... Foppe posted... The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well? Yeah why don't we just hand over all emails and documents to the government? The data already exists durr The Government already know everything about you, why act like helping the police will change anything? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:897986617] in Police dem... [t:76425523]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>The data already exist. Google already use it. Why is it so bad to let the police use it to solve crimes as well?</quote> Yeah why don't we just hand over all emails and documents to the government? The data already exists durr</quote> The Government already know everything about you, why act like helping the police will change anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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