Current Events > Is Zach Snyder really to blame for DC's woes?

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He did well in watchmen, and he was involved in 300 too.

His vision for the movies was a bit too dark, and BvS had some issues (e.g. Bruce Wayne's weird visions and dreams), but I feel that the problem with Justice League was that they tried to introduce Cyborg, WW, Flash and Aquaman all at once in a movie, while also having a plot of its own.

It took Marvel several years and movies to establish Captain America, Ironman and Thor before trying to get them together as a team. We didn't even get a proper Snyder Batman movie, we got BsV instead.

This clusterfucking was D.C.'s idea, not Snyder's.

The failure of the DCEU is a prime example of studio meddling. They want to have meetings and second guess the director and copy the MCU
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I blame DC. There for a while every time Marvel made some announcement about how their universe would work or how they laid it out it seemed like later on that day or the next day DC announced that they were going to do the exact opposite. It was like they were more concerned about of being accused of copying Marvel than they were about the success of their TV shows and movies.
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I mean, ultimately, its the fault of the studio heads at Warner for continuously re-hiring a director who continuously proves to be worthless at his chosen profession.

And no, Watchmen was shit.

He needs to go back to making Zombie remakes. His best movie is still Dawn of the Dead 2004.

They should've just let him finish the movie and do part 2, if that was the plan
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Gunpo posted...

They should've just let him finish the movie and do part 2, if that was the plan

He dropped out cause his daughter committed suicide.

He wasn't fired.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Gunpo posted...

They should've just let him finish the movie and do part 2, if that was the plan

He dropped out cause his daughter committed suicide.

He wasn't fired.

Did the suicide have something to do with his kids being harassed about their father ruining batman?
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rabbi_baby posted...

The failure of the DCEU is a prime example of studio meddling. They want to have meetings and second guess the director and copy the MCU

Exactly how I feel. Even the stuff I don't like, such as Wayne's dreams and visions were part of a plan. There was going to be a second JL movie where earth would be turned into a desert like that and the parademons would patrol around, etc. Superman was supposed to go mad for a little bit too.

The studios really wanted Snyder to copy the MCU, but to be fair, most of the Snyder criticisms are something that movies like Age of Ultron were also guilty of.

LookANinja posted...


What a gross comment.

Watchmen sucked and you skipped Fail of Steel.

Snyder is shit.
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Absolutely, his gritty grimdark style doesn't fit DC at all. Even if he didn't deal with executive meddling it still would be a trainwreck
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In part for sure. I'd say about 65% executive meddling, 35% Snyder just being awful and his blatant disdain for what he's adapting.

Ammonitida posted...

He needs to go back to making Zombie remakes. His best movie is still Dawn of the Dead 2004.

This
It says a lot when your most colorful and enjoyable movie is a zombie movie.
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LookANinja posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Gunpo posted...

They should've just let him finish the movie and do part 2, if that was the plan

He dropped out cause his daughter committed suicide.

He wasn't fired.

Did the suicide have something to do with his kids being harassed about their father ruining batman?

Did this really happen? That is so fucked up.

Batman was fucked royally before Nolan made him cool again, and nobody cared. Do you remember bullshit like this? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj2KcFj1jbE" data-time="

Snyder isn't a good director. Remember Sucker Punch? God forbid a studio expect the head of their easy as fuck movies to produce some quality.
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fusespliff posted...

35% Snyder just being awful and his blatant disdain for what he's adapting

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Even his Watchman adaptation, the one people like, missed all of the ambiguity and subtlety of the text, and ends up completely missing all of the metafiction and medium commentary that earned all its critical praise.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

LookANinja posted...

What a gross comment.

I'm sorry, I guess I kinda worded it poorly. I, in no way condone that, nor do I think he "ruined batman" nor do I think his kids should be harassed for it. It is just what I heard somewhere and it would be awful if it were true.
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hollow_shrine posted...

fusespliff posted...

35% Snyder just being awful and his blatant disdain for what he's adapting

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Even his Watchman adaptation, the one people like, missed all of the ambiguity and subtlety of the text, and ends up completely missing all of the metafiction and medium commentary that earned all its critical praise.

Purists usually hate comic adaptations anyway.

If people were to follow purists' desires, the 90s xmen movies would have had them wearing yellow spandex, Batman would still be using the gray and blue uniform that looks like he is wearing his underwear over his pants, etc.

BJ-blazkowics posted...

Purists usually hate comic adaptations anyway.

If people were to follow purists' desires, the 90s xmen movies would have had them wearing yellow spandex, Batman would still be using the gray and blue uniform that looks like he is wearing his underwear over his pants, etc.

There's costume design. And then there's misinterpreting in-character speculation about story details (which Moore uses to inform us about the people speculating) as truth, because you didn't realize you were reading through someone's point of view and that the point of view was highly unreliable.

The comic book is pretty violent, heavy subject matter, it makes sense. Typically though, only certain characters resort to that kind of physical violence. This tells us more about those characters and their headspace. In the movie, everyone in costume is killing fools and it's way easier to sympathize with the public that wanted vigilantes banned because they are portrayed as psychos.

It's the difference between Frank Miller in the mid-1980s and Rob Liefield in the early nineties, and his creatively bankrupt grimdark designs.
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BJ-blazkowics posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

fusespliff posted...

35% Snyder just being awful and his blatant disdain for what he's adapting

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Even his Watchman adaptation, the one people like, missed all of the ambiguity and subtlety of the text, and ends up completely missing all of the metafiction and medium commentary that earned all its critical praise.

Purists usually hate comic adaptations anyway.

If people were to follow purists' desires, the 90s xmen movies would have had them wearing yellow spandex, Batman would still be using the gray and blue uniform that looks like he is wearing his underwear over his pants, etc.

Yeah, the X-Men are known for their yellow spandex. That line wasn't a joke specifically targeting Wolverine or anything.
And those same purists rejoiced at DCEU Batman. No blue or underwear to be seen.

Also
https://www.cbr.com/dark-phoenix-set-photo-reveals-comics-inspired-costumes/
So yeah, hooray for "yellow spandex" and fuck the S&M biker gang look.
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Rorschach was perfect in Watchmen, so was Dr. Manhattan. The rest were meh.
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