Current Events > Noor Salman, wife of Pulse shooter who killed 49 acquitted because she's stupid

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/us/noor-salman-pulse-trial-verdict/index.html

"However, the system of justice has spoken and we should look to the continued healing for the families and our entire community so that this event will not define us."
Salman, 31, was arrested in January 2017, months after her husband, Omar Mateen, killed 49 people and injured more than 50 others when he opened fire the prior June at Pulse nightclub. Mateen was killed by police who responded to the attack.
Prosecutors said Salman aided Mateen ahead of his killing spree, then lied to the FBI in an attempt to thwart the investigation.
"This case is about what she knew and what she did," Assistant US Attorney Sara Sweeney said. "The defendant didn't pull the trigger that night, but she did serve as a green light for her husband."
Salman's attorneys argued that their client was not an accomplice but a simple-minded victim of her husband's infidelity and lies.
"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"
Salman did not testify during the trial. She faced life in prison.
'I wish I had been more truthful'
During 10 days of testimony, jurors watched surveillance video showing Mateen buying weapons prior to the shooting and also opening fire inside the nightclub.
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Security cameras also recorded Mateen going with Salman on a shopping spree for clothing, toys and jewelry at several stores in central Florida at least a week before the shooting.
After Salman's arrest, she said in a statement to the FBI that she knew in advance that her husband was going to do something violent.
"I wish I had done the right thing, but my fear held me back. I wish I had been more truthful," she wrote in the statement, which was shown in court.
FBI special agent Ricardo Enriquez testified that Salman said in several statements to the FBI that Mateen watched jihadi beheading videos, purchased a rifle and ammunition and went to a gun range to practice.
'She's not calculating'
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Pulse survivor: 'That night, I was helpless' 00:57
Defense attorneys cast Salman as a mother and a victim of Mateen's abuse and infidelity, as well as of the FBI's coercive investigators.
"Omar Mateen is a monster. Noor Salman is a mother, not a monster. Her only sin is she married a monster," Moreno told jurors.
Since the defense launched its case Monday, Mateen's family and friends described her as a peaceful person and a good mother. They said Salman is not capable of being "calculating," "deceptive" or "able to connect the dots."
"Nothing harmful would come out of her," a friend of Salman's who was identified only as Ms. Ahmed told jurors, according to CNN affiliate WKGM.
Bruce Frumkin, a forensic clinical psychologist, testified Tuesday, saying lack of sleep, mental issues, low IQ scores and lengthy interrogations contribute to false confessions.
Salman was interviewed by authorities for 11 hours and her IQ score is 84, which makes her "below average in intelligence," Frumkin said.

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Not a good state to be killed in. We'll see if they acquit the Stoneman Douglas shooter next.

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gbpxl posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/us/noor-salman-pulse-trial-verdict/index.html

"However, the system of justice has spoken and we should look to the continued healing for the families and our entire community so that this event will not define us."
Salman, 31, was arrested in January 2017, months after her husband, Omar Mateen, killed 49 people and injured more than 50 others when he opened fire the prior June at Pulse nightclub. Mateen was killed by police who responded to the attack.
Prosecutors said Salman aided Mateen ahead of his killing spree, then lied to the FBI in an attempt to thwart the investigation.
"This case is about what she knew and what she did," Assistant US Attorney Sara Sweeney said. "The defendant didn't pull the trigger that night, but she did serve as a green light for her husband."
Salman's attorneys argued that their client was not an accomplice but a simple-minded victim of her husband's infidelity and lies.
"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"
Salman did not testify during the trial. She faced life in prison.
'I wish I had been more truthful'
During 10 days of testimony, jurors watched surveillance video showing Mateen buying weapons prior to the shooting and also opening fire inside the nightclub.
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Security cameras also recorded Mateen going with Salman on a shopping spree for clothing, toys and jewelry at several stores in central Florida at least a week before the shooting.
After Salman's arrest, she said in a statement to the FBI that she knew in advance that her husband was going to do something violent.
"I wish I had done the right thing, but my fear held me back. I wish I had been more truthful," she wrote in the statement, which was shown in court.
FBI special agent Ricardo Enriquez testified that Salman said in several statements to the FBI that Mateen watched jihadi beheading videos, purchased a rifle and ammunition and went to a gun range to practice.
'She's not calculating'
Play Video

Pulse survivor: 'That night, I was helpless' 00:57
Defense attorneys cast Salman as a mother and a victim of Mateen's abuse and infidelity, as well as of the FBI's coercive investigators.
"Omar Mateen is a monster. Noor Salman is a mother, not a monster. Her only sin is she married a monster," Moreno told jurors.
Since the defense launched its case Monday, Mateen's family and friends described her as a peaceful person and a good mother. They said Salman is not capable of being "calculating," "deceptive" or "able to connect the dots."
"Nothing harmful would come out of her," a friend of Salman's who was identified only as Ms. Ahmed told jurors, according to CNN affiliate WKGM.
Bruce Frumkin, a forensic clinical psychologist, testified Tuesday, saying lack of sleep, mental issues, low IQ scores and lengthy interrogations contribute to false confessions.
Salman was interviewed by authorities for 11 hours and her IQ score is 84, which makes her "below average in intelligence," Frumkin said.

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Not a good state to be killed in. We'll see if they acquit the Stoneman Douglas shooter next.

The result is the same for you despite what state your killed in.
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"searches for Hello Kitty on her website"

....Jesus what, is the defense that she's mentally disabled or something
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She was acquitted because the prosecution couldn't convince the jury that she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I may not like the diminutives that the defense is hanging on her, but if they were reaching that far and she still was found not guilty, there must not have been a solid case in the first place.
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DarthAragorn posted...

"searches for Hello Kitty on her website"

....Jesus what, is the defense that she's mentally disabled or something

I hate so many defense attorneys. 20-year-old men who are accused of murdering are "boys" and thus don't know any better. Photos of dead bodies are "gross" and jurors shouldn't see them.

Basically paint your client as an imbecile and the jurors will forgive them for their heinous acts.

No wonder they cant get trump
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CyricZ posted...

She was acquitted because the prosecution couldn't convince the jury that she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I may not like the diminutives that the defense is hanging on her, but if they were reaching that far and she still was found not guilty, there must not have been a solid case in the first place.

I think her telling the authorites that she knew in advance something was going to happen is enough to say she is partially culpable. If someone close to one of the 9/11 hijackers had admitted to the FBI afterwards that they knew they were planning an attack but didn't say anything, you don't think they would've gotten an immediate conviction and likely a lengthy sentence?

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that
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eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

She was also in fear of the guy.
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gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

That depends on how bad the abuse was. Are we talking battered woman syndrome here? Was she financially dependent on him? Was she terrified of him?

Ammonitida posted...

gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

That depends on how bad the abuse was. Are we talking battered woman syndrome here? Was she financially dependent on him? Was she terrified of him?

So call it in anonymously, request an OFP, and get the f away from him.

gbpxl posted...

Ammonitida posted...

gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

That depends on how bad the abuse was. Are we talking battered woman syndrome here? Was she financially dependent on him? Was she terrified of him?

So call it in anonymously, request an OFP, and get the f away from him.

Some women are so dominated in these types of relationships that they don't see those as options. Pardons have been granted to battered women who killed their abusive spouses in their sleep. Remember the "burning bed"?

multiple reasons here

1. she's an actual idiot
2. its reasonable to assume that being constantly abused by her husband would make her afraid of calling the police on him
3. interrogation tactics taught in the united states lead to a higher rate of false confessions when compared to those in some other countries
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Muffinz0rz posted...

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gbpxl posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/us/noor-salman-pulse-trial-verdict/index.html

"However, the system of justice has spoken and we should look to the continued healing for the families and our entire community so that this event will not define us."
Salman, 31, was arrested in January 2017, months after her husband, Omar Mateen, killed 49 people and injured more than 50 others when he opened fire the prior June at Pulse nightclub. Mateen was killed by police who responded to the attack.
Prosecutors said Salman aided Mateen ahead of his killing spree, then lied to the FBI in an attempt to thwart the investigation.
"This case is about what she knew and what she did," Assistant US Attorney Sara Sweeney said. "The defendant didn't pull the trigger that night, but she did serve as a green light for her husband."
Salman's attorneys argued that their client was not an accomplice but a simple-minded victim of her husband's infidelity and lies.
"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"
Salman did not testify during the trial. She faced life in prison.
'I wish I had been more truthful'
During 10 days of testimony, jurors watched surveillance video showing Mateen buying weapons prior to the shooting and also opening fire inside the nightclub.
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Security cameras also recorded Mateen going with Salman on a shopping spree for clothing, toys and jewelry at several stores in central Florida at least a week before the shooting.
After Salman's arrest, she said in a statement to the FBI that she knew in advance that her husband was going to do something violent.
"I wish I had done the right thing, but my fear held me back. I wish I had been more truthful," she wrote in the statement, which was shown in court.
FBI special agent Ricardo Enriquez testified that Salman said in several statements to the FBI that Mateen watched jihadi beheading videos, purchased a rifle and ammunition and went to a gun range to practice.
'She's not calculating'
Play Video

Pulse survivor: 'That night, I was helpless' 00:57
Defense attorneys cast Salman as a mother and a victim of Mateen's abuse and infidelity, as well as of the FBI's coercive investigators.
"Omar Mateen is a monster. Noor Salman is a mother, not a monster. Her only sin is she married a monster," Moreno told jurors.
Since the defense launched its case Monday, Mateen's family and friends described her as a peaceful person and a good mother. They said Salman is not capable of being "calculating," "deceptive" or "able to connect the dots."
"Nothing harmful would come out of her," a friend of Salman's who was identified only as Ms. Ahmed told jurors, according to CNN affiliate WKGM.
Bruce Frumkin, a forensic clinical psychologist, testified Tuesday, saying lack of sleep, mental issues, low IQ scores and lengthy interrogations contribute to false confessions.
Salman was interviewed by authorities for 11 hours and her IQ score is 84, which makes her "below average in intelligence," Frumkin said.

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Not a good state to be killed in. We'll see if they acquit the Stoneman Douglas shooter next.

How was the Zimmerman verdict wrong?
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darkjedilink posted...

gbpxl posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/us/noor-salman-pulse-trial-verdict/index.html

"However, the system of justice has spoken and we should look to the continued healing for the families and our entire community so that this event will not define us."
Salman, 31, was arrested in January 2017, months after her husband, Omar Mateen, killed 49 people and injured more than 50 others when he opened fire the prior June at Pulse nightclub. Mateen was killed by police who responded to the attack.
Prosecutors said Salman aided Mateen ahead of his killing spree, then lied to the FBI in an attempt to thwart the investigation.
"This case is about what she knew and what she did," Assistant US Attorney Sara Sweeney said. "The defendant didn't pull the trigger that night, but she did serve as a green light for her husband."
Salman's attorneys argued that their client was not an accomplice but a simple-minded victim of her husband's infidelity and lies.
"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"
Salman did not testify during the trial. She faced life in prison.
'I wish I had been more truthful'
During 10 days of testimony, jurors watched surveillance video showing Mateen buying weapons prior to the shooting and also opening fire inside the nightclub.
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Pulse shooter's wife to FBI: 'I wish I had been more truthful'
Security cameras also recorded Mateen going with Salman on a shopping spree for clothing, toys and jewelry at several stores in central Florida at least a week before the shooting.
After Salman's arrest, she said in a statement to the FBI that she knew in advance that her husband was going to do something violent.
"I wish I had done the right thing, but my fear held me back. I wish I had been more truthful," she wrote in the statement, which was shown in court.
FBI special agent Ricardo Enriquez testified that Salman said in several statements to the FBI that Mateen watched jihadi beheading videos, purchased a rifle and ammunition and went to a gun range to practice.
'She's not calculating'
Play Video

Pulse survivor: 'That night, I was helpless' 00:57
Defense attorneys cast Salman as a mother and a victim of Mateen's abuse and infidelity, as well as of the FBI's coercive investigators.
"Omar Mateen is a monster. Noor Salman is a mother, not a monster. Her only sin is she married a monster," Moreno told jurors.
Since the defense launched its case Monday, Mateen's family and friends described her as a peaceful person and a good mother. They said Salman is not capable of being "calculating," "deceptive" or "able to connect the dots."
"Nothing harmful would come out of her," a friend of Salman's who was identified only as Ms. Ahmed told jurors, according to CNN affiliate WKGM.
Bruce Frumkin, a forensic clinical psychologist, testified Tuesday, saying lack of sleep, mental issues, low IQ scores and lengthy interrogations contribute to false confessions.
Salman was interviewed by authorities for 11 hours and her IQ score is 84, which makes her "below average in intelligence," Frumkin said.

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Not a good state to be killed in. We'll see if they acquit the Stoneman Douglas shooter next.

How was the Zimmerman verdict wrong?

Oh lord.

gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

I don't agree with that either. It's not like she helped him plan it. She knew "something" was going to happen. She didn't know what. I think putting a person in prison for that sets a bad precedent.
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Just a bad situation all around. Fear is a hell of an emotion that will make some people make the wrong choices.
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gbpxl posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

"searches for Hello Kitty on her website"

....Jesus what, is the defense that she's mentally disabled or something

I hate so many defense attorneys. 20-year-old men who are accused of murdering are "boys" and thus don't know any better. Photos of dead bodies are "gross" and jurors shouldn't see them.

Basically paint your client as an imbecile and the jurors will forgive them for their heinous acts.

Blame the fact that being a state prosecutor pays absolute dogshit compared to the private sector. All the best attorneys are working for the defense. That's why you have things like the Zimmerman trial, where they over charged and every (good) attorney in the country was utterly dumbfounded.

State prosecutors have always been the bottom of the barrel.
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eston posted...

gbpxl posted...

eston posted...

She probably should have said something but I don't support life imprisonment for that

I think considering that 49 people are now maggot food and she is the only one who could've stopped this but chose not to is grounds for at least 25 years in prison.

I don't agree with that either. It's not like she helped him plan it. She knew "something" was going to happen. She didn't know what. I think putting a person in prison for that sets a bad precedent.

I read that he was scouting out places with her, including Disney World. What do you think they were discussing in those car rides? Also, here's some stuff about aiding and abetting crime. granted it's California but I don't know how much different Florida would be

https://www.wklaw.com/knowing-about-a-crime-and-not-saying-anything/

How was the Zimmerman verdict wrong?

I'm not saying Zimmerman should've gotten life in prison or anything but for him to walk away scot free is injustice. A child is dead because he decided to stalk this kid for being black and wearing a hoodie, then when he was confronted and couldn't defend himself properly, killed him.

Both of those people did something wrong and I wouldn't have charged him with straight up murder but manslaughter at the very least.

gbpxl posted...

How was the Zimmerman verdict wrong?

I'm not saying Zimmerman should've gotten life in prison or anything but for him to walk away scot free is injustice. A child is dead because he decided to stalk this kid for being black and wearing a hoodie, then when he was confronted and couldn't defend himself properly, killed him.

Both of those people did something wrong and I wouldn't have charged him with straight up murder but manslaughter at the very least.

But that isn't the Jury's decision. If the prosecutors pushed for that instead, the Jury probably would have sided with them.
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we should revamp the way interrogations are done in the US. it's been proven time and time again that people break and will admit to anything at that point
I don't know if she's really that stupid, but it seems clear she was afraid of him and didn't know what to do

could she have done something differently that would have allowed 49 people to live? maybe. but idk if it's something she should be charged with given the circumstances
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Nothing I read indicated she was knowingly complicit in the act or that they had evidence she did. Suspecting he might do something violent isn't enough to warrant convicting her

spudger posted...

No wonder they cant get trump

Lol
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IQ of 84 is painfully stupid. Like, approaching mentally disabled stupid.

Imma give her a pass on this one.
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I'm not an expert in this case but 'something violent' could include a whole range of things.

On top of that she could be telling the FBI what they wanted to hear. Unless they could prove she specifically had knowledge of the shooting it probably should be a not guilty verdict.
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If she's really got an 84 IQ, then yeah, I guess this is a reasonable outcome. I'd definitely not want her to actually face the death penalty.
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It's not like if she was set somewhat free, she's gonna go do the same thing all over again since she wasn't the mastermind. I dunno, seems like a waste of jail space tbh
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You can't arrest someone for knowing someone who did horrible things.

That's Soviet Russia shit man
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gunplagirl posted...

If she's really got an 84 IQ, then yeah, I guess this is a reasonable outcome. I'd definitely not want her to actually face the death penalty.

i mean she isn't drooling on herself dumb or anything, just dumb. dumb people understand that murdering scores of people is an evil act
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gbpxl posted...

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Casey Anthony was squarely the prosecution's fuckup tbh
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DrizztLink posted...

gbpxl posted...

Florida jurors has a pretty good track record of horrible decisions- George Zimmerman, Casey Anthony, now this.

Casey Anthony was squarely the prosecution's fuckup tbh

And Zimmerman would have been found not guilty by any jury in any first world nation on Earth
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What about this though https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76493637
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gbpxl posted...

I read that he was scouting out places with her, including Disney World. What do you think they were discussing in those car rides? Also, here's some stuff about aiding and abetting crime. granted it's California but I don't know how much different Florida would be

You do see the problem with this logic tho right? Whenever you're asking things like "what do you think they were discussing in those cases rides?" You don't actually have a legitimate argument that can be used in a court of law. You say that she "scouted" places with him, well how do we know that she was aware that they were scouting a place and not just going to Disney world?

You guys gotta stop trying to think of ways to convince people that someone is guilty because a good argument and plausible story mean literally nothing, it's all about evidence and what you can actually prove.
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What about this though https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76493637
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This quote is funny

"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"
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So, I listened to this podcast yesterday http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/doublex_gabfest/2018/04/double_x_gabfest_on_roseanne_noor_salman_and_theybies.html

and during the middle segment they talked to the author of this article https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-trial-of-noor-salman-and-its-shocking-disregard-for-survivors-of-domestic-violence
about the case, the trial, the extended interview without a lawyer or an indication that she (a mentally slow person) was suspected of any wrongdoing, a confession under duress, flimsy evidence, how she was a victim of tremendous abuse from her husband, contradictory stories from the FBI, and how the FBI investigated and cleared the dude just months before the shooting. I assume its all in the article.

Based on what I've heard, I can't imagine how a jury that was actually considering all evidence and only the evidence, like they're supposed to, could convict. She was another victim. It would have been a tragedy and mockery of justice to send her to jail for what her tormentor did to others when there was no evidence she was any part of it.
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Axiom posted...

Nothing I read indicated she was knowingly complicit in the act or that they had evidence she did. Suspecting he might do something violent isn't enough to warrant convicting her

This is really my feelings on it too.

It seems like they opened a case as a reaction to a devastating act hoping to get somewhere but just couldn't put anything real together. IMO this has nothing to do with the jury and is more about poor prosecutorial discretion and wasting time and money on a case just because an SA's office wanted to make people happy by doing something even if they were mostly reaching.
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What about this though https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76493637
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Sativa_Rose posted...

This quote is funny

"She doesn't go to the mosque, she searches for Hello Kitty on her website," Swift said in his closing argument. "We're supposed to believe she had long conversations with Omar Mateen about jihads?"

he has a point
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I agree with the verdict here. She essentially felt that he was going to do something violent but wasn't smart enough to put the pieces together and run to the police.

She just took everything at face value. "Sweet! Family day at Disney Land!" isn't necessarily going to translate to "Family scouting of mass shooting location" for her.

Running to the cops with a fun trip to the amusement park as evidence without being able to factor anything else in wouldn't have done a thing
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gbpxl posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/us/noor-salman-pulse-trial-verdict/index.html

Not a good state to be killed in. We'll see if they acquit the Stoneman Douglas shooter next.

Its pretty much the same with Clinton but i didn't see democrats whine that time.
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