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COVxy 04/02/18 12:09:21 PM #51:	hockeybub89 posted... COVxy posted... I mean, it's pretty clear that news agencies often get their material from the same source, leading to very clearly similar broadcasts. Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"), then I don't really see how this is anything other than an over reaction. But I may not be fully informed, I pretty much only saw that video with the scripts overlaid. So you only saw the smoking gun? I mean, in the same way as "don't drink and drive" ads are the smoking gun of propaganda. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924012] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, it's pretty clear that news agencies often get their material from the same source, leading to very clearly similar broadcasts. Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"), then I don't really see how this is anything other than an over reaction. But I may not be fully informed, I pretty much only saw that video with the scripts overlaid.</quote> So you only saw the smoking gun?</quote> I mean, in the same way as "don't drink and drive" ads are the smoking gun of propaganda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/02/18 12:09:35 PM #52:	COVxy posted... Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"), It's literally parroting the president's talking points --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898924021] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"),</quote> It's literally parroting the president's talking points</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/02/18 12:10:06 PM #53:	Antifar posted... COVxy posted... Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"), It's literally parroting the president's talking points yeah, the script in question was meant to be a thinly veiled slam on CNN, MSNBC, etc. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:898924038] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"),</quote> It's literally parroting the president's talking points</quote> yeah, the script in question was meant to be a thinly veiled slam on CNN, MSNBC, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:12:14 PM #54:	I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation. Like, if they insinuated that a political side was the origin of fake news or anything like that, I could see it. But really it just seems like the most important piece of advice in this current decade. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924120] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation. Like, if they insinuated that a political side was the origin of fake news or anything like that, I could see it. But really it just seems like the most important piece of advice in this current decade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 04/02/18 12:13:13 PM #55:	COVxy posted... , it was very neutral in it's presentation. ok bud stick to neuroscience --- https://i.imgur.com/aVTScxQ.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:898924161] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>, it was very neutral in it's presentation. </quote> ok bud stick to neuroscience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:14:23 PM #56:	If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924211] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:17:25 PM #57:	Darkman124 posted... Antifar posted... COVxy posted... Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"), It's literally parroting the president's talking points yeah, the script in question was meant to be a thinly veiled slam on CNN, MSNBC, etc. idk, does CNN construct thinly veiled slams on itself when they parrot what is pretty much the same exact message? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924337] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Unless the material is actually propaganda (of which I wouldn't call "beware of fake news"),</quote> It's literally parroting the president's talking points</quote> yeah, the script in question was meant to be a thinly veiled slam on CNN, MSNBC, etc.</quote> idk, does CNN construct thinly veiled slams on itself when they parrot what is pretty much the same exact message?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/02/18 12:20:22 PM #58:	COVxy posted... I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation. By design: http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/media/sinclair-broadcasting-promos-media-bashing/index.html Then the anchors are supposed to strike a more positive tone and say that their local station pursues the truth. "We understand Truth is neither politically 'left or right.' Our commitment to factual reporting is the foundation of our credibility, now more than ever." On its face, some of the language is not controversial. But that's precisely why some staffers were so troubled by it. The promo script, they say, belies Sinclair management's actual agenda to tilt reporting to the right. "I felt like a POW recording a message," one of the anchors said. ... The instructions for producing and airing the localized versions went into great detail about how the promos "should look and sound," according to another document obtained by CNN. "Talent should dress in jewel tones -- however they should not look political in their dress or attire," one of the documents says. "Avoid total red, blue and purples dresses and suits. Avoid totally red, blue and purple ties, the goal is to look apolitical, neutral, nonpartisan yet professional. Black or charcoal suits for men...females should wear yellow, gold, magenta, cyan, but avoid red, blue or purple." They are purposefully adopting neutral language and imagery while putting out right-wing content --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898924479] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation.</quote> By design: http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/media/sinclair-broadcasting-promos-media-bashing/index.html <quote>Then the anchors are supposed to strike a more positive tone and say that their local station pursues the truth. "We understand Truth is neither politically 'left or right.' Our commitment to factual reporting is the foundation of our credibility, now more than ever." On its face, some of the language is not controversial. But that's precisely why some staffers were so troubled by it. The promo script, they say, belies Sinclair management's actual agenda to tilt reporting to the right. "I felt like a POW recording a message," one of the anchors said. ... The instructions for producing and airing the localized versions went into great detail about how the promos "should look and sound," according to another document obtained by CNN. "Talent should dress in jewel tones -- however they should not look political in their dress or attire," one of the documents says. "Avoid total red, blue and purples dresses and suits. Avoid totally red, blue and purple ties, the goal is to look apolitical, neutral, nonpartisan yet professional. Black or charcoal suits for men...females should wear yellow, gold, magenta, cyan, but avoid red, blue or purple."</quote> They are purposefully adopting neutral language and imagery while putting out right-wing content</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/02/18 12:21:09 PM #59:	COVxy posted... If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory. Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:898924518] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory.</quote> Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:21:47 PM #60:	scar the 1 posted... COVxy posted... If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory. Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem? Cuz, propaganda is only an issue in-so-far as the message it propagates. Unless you have evidence that they are also pushing other politically biased controlled messages throughout the media, it's simply an over-reaction. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924551] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory.</quote> Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea</quote> But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem? Cuz, propaganda is only an issue in-so-far as the message it propagates. Unless you have evidence that they are also pushing other politically biased controlled messages throughout the media, it's simply an over-reaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/02/18 12:23:11 PM #61:	COVxy posted... But do you have any fault with the message itself? The message doesn't - and cannot - exist in a vaccuum. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898924614] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>But do you have any fault with the message itself? </quote> The message doesn't - and cannot - exist in a vaccuum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 04/02/18 12:23:19 PM #62:	COVxy posted... scar the 1 posted... COVxy posted... If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory. Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem? yes. and it's mostly something right wing people, ie the target audience of this message falls for. jfc --- https://i.imgur.com/aVTScxQ.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:898924621] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory.</quote> Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea</quote> But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem?</quote> yes. and it's mostly something right wing people, ie the target audience of this message falls for. jfc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:24:29 PM #63:	Antifar posted... COVxy posted... But do you have any fault with the message itself? The message doesn't - and cannot - exist in a vaccuum. So where is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? That's all, that was the original post. If this exists, then I concede entirely. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898924684] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>But do you have any fault with the message itself? </quote> The message doesn't - and cannot - exist in a vaccuum.</quote> So where is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? That's all, that was the original post. If this exists, then I concede entirely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/02/18 12:27:11 PM #64:	COVxy posted... So where is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/sinclair-tv-spreads-the-conservative-message/Content?oid=5073380 In interviews with over half a dozen current and former journalists who have worked or currently work at each of Rochester's local TV broadcast stations, we heard expressions of concern, and sometimes anger, that Sinclair's content is misleading audiences in Rochester and harming the practice of journalism in general by pursuing partisanship over objectivity. if you need to see video of it happening, the attached oliver piece shows their reading of a dictated piece about Flynn. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:898924816] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>So where is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? </quote> https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/sinclair-tv-spreads-the-conservative-message/Content?oid=5073380 <quote>In interviews with over half a dozen current and former journalists who have worked or currently work at each of Rochester's local TV broadcast stations, we heard expressions of concern, and sometimes anger, that Sinclair's content is misleading audiences in Rochester and harming the practice of journalism in general by pursuing partisanship over objectivity. </quote> if you need to see video of it happening, the attached oliver piece shows their reading of a dictated piece about Flynn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/02/18 12:28:07 PM #65:	COVxy posted... So were is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/media/sinclair-broadcasting-promos-media-bashing/index.html Most noticeably, pro-Trump commentaries by former Trump aide Boris Epshteyn have cut into local news time. Local journalists have also bristled at so-called "must run" packages about subjects that aren't relevant to local audiences -- but are hot-button stories for conservatives. The "Terrorism Alert Desk" is a regular segment about security threats around the world. http://www.newsweek.com/sinclair-broadcast-group-must-run-deep-state-rt-russia-today-867029 The United States' largest owner of television stations, Sinclair Broadcast Group, mandated that its outlets run a segment on the so-called deep state. The "must-run" piece aired on March 21 and featured Sebastian Gorka, the former adviser to President Donald Trump, lamenting the existence of a deep statea popular conspiracy theory in some circles that longtime career public servants in the government are working to subvert the U.S. government. Trump has repeatedly complained about such a mysterious rogue network. http://thehill.com/homenews/news/356867-gorka-black-africans-murdering-each-other-by-the-bushel During an interview on a Sinclair-owned television station, Gorka said the biggest issue the U.S. has is "not mass shootings," which he called an anomaly. "You do not make legislation out of outliers," he said. Our big issue is black African gun crime against black Africans. It is a tragedy," he said. Gorka then referenced gun crime in Chicago. "Go to Chicago. Go to the citys run by Democrats for 40 years," he said. "Black young men are murdering each other by the bushel. This is a social issue," Gorka said. Gorka called for people to let the police do their jobs and "rebuild those societies." --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898924855] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>So were is the evidence that the Sinclair group is doing the same with politically biased messages? </quote> http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/media/sinclair-broadcasting-promos-media-bashing/index.html <quote>Most noticeably, pro-Trump commentaries by former Trump aide Boris Epshteyn have cut into local news time. Local journalists have also bristled at so-called "must run" packages about subjects that aren't relevant to local audiences -- but are hot-button stories for conservatives. The "Terrorism Alert Desk" is a regular segment about security threats around the world.</quote> http://www.newsweek.com/sinclair-broadcast-group-must-run-deep-state-rt-russia-today-867029 <quote>The United States' largest owner of television stations, Sinclair Broadcast Group, mandated that its outlets run a segment on the so-called deep state. The "must-run" piece aired on March 21 and featured Sebastian Gorka, the former adviser to President Donald Trump, lamenting the existence of a deep statea popular conspiracy theory in some circles that longtime career public servants in the government are working to subvert the U.S. government. Trump has repeatedly complained about such a mysterious rogue network. </quote> http://thehill.com/homenews/news/356867-gorka-black-africans-murdering-each-other-by-the-bushel <quote>During an interview on a Sinclair-owned television station, Gorka said the biggest issue the U.S. has is "not mass shootings," which he called an anomaly. "You do not make legislation out of outliers," he said. Our big issue is black African gun crime against black Africans. It is a tragedy," he said. Gorka then referenced gun crime in Chicago. "Go to Chicago. Go to the citys run by Democrats for 40 years," he said. "Black young men are murdering each other by the bushel. This is a social issue," Gorka said. Gorka called for people to let the police do their jobs and "rebuild those societies."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/02/18 12:29:00 PM #66:	COVxy posted... scar the 1 posted... COVxy posted... If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory. Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem? Cuz, propaganda is only an issue in-so-far as the message it propagates. Unless you have evidence that they are also pushing other politically biased controlled messages throughout the media, it's simply an over-reaction. I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898924893] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>If you have to construct a web of connections to make something benign look devious, you are straying into conspiracy territory.</quote> Eh, the context is that Sinclair group is quite openly very conservative and pro-Trump. So yea</quote> But do you have any fault with the message itself? Like, is it not the case that fake news is currently a problem? Cuz, propaganda is only an issue in-so-far as the message it propagates. Unless you have evidence that they are also pushing other politically biased controlled messages throughout the media, it's simply an over-reaction.</quote> I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ben_Ruggiero 04/02/18 12:33:35 PM #67:	This is extremely dangerous to our constitutional republic --- A wiseguy never pays for his drinks <cite>Ben_Ruggiero posted [p:898925136] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>This is extremely dangerous to our constitutional republic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninjarobot_22 04/02/18 12:35:27 PM #68:	I work for Sinclair. My contract expires in a few months. Can't wait. <cite>ninjarobot_22 posted [p:898925240] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>I work for Sinclair. My contract expires in a few months. Can't wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:36:58 PM #69:	Darkman124 posted... Antifar posted... Okay, these are much more convincing, thanks! I take back what I said, this is concerning. I think people should be aware of the presentation of this argument though. There's a reason why out of the two topics I've been into on this subject, pretty much only the scripted commentary about fake news is primary. Which is because of the nicely edited clip that really eats at that dictator controlling the source of information trope from the surface level that we've all seen in dystopian sci-fi. To me, this presentation of the argument is misleading and really just an attempt to woo people with emotion, because there's that nice match with the large coincidence of all the broadcasts with what we expect from our fictional tropes. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898925307] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> Okay, these are much more convincing, thanks! I take back what I said, this is concerning. I think people should be aware of the presentation of this argument though. There's a reason why out of the two topics I've been into on this subject, pretty much only the scripted commentary about fake news is primary. Which is because of the nicely edited clip that really eats at that dictator controlling the source of information trope from the surface level that we've all seen in dystopian sci-fi. To me, this presentation of the argument is misleading and really just an attempt to woo people with emotion, because there's that nice match with the large coincidence of all the broadcasts with what we expect from our fictional tropes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/02/18 12:39:02 PM #70:	more or less it's the left's version of fighting dirty: sending an emotional message that is designed to fearmonger people into action the right's is to buy the airwaves and fill them with the exact same message i'm just trying to stick to the facts, though --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:898925419] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>more or less it's the left's version of fighting dirty: sending an emotional message that is designed to fearmonger people into action the right's is to buy the airwaves and fill them with the exact same message i'm just trying to stick to the facts, though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:39:09 PM #71:	hockeybub89 posted... I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons. If the evidence were simply "pay attention to the source, fake news is a real problem in our democracy", I have no issue with a scripted message being put out. Really no different than a PSA. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898925423] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons. </quote> If the evidence were simply "pay attention to the source, fake news is a real problem in our democracy", I have no issue with a scripted message being put out. Really no different than a PSA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 04/02/18 12:40:48 PM #72:	COVxy posted... I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation. Oh, bullshit dude. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:898925522] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, but this didn't come through at all. In fact, it was very neutral in it's presentation.</quote> Oh, bullshit dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/02/18 12:41:29 PM #73:	COVxy posted... hockeybub89 posted... I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons. If the evidence were simply "pay attention to the source, fake news is a real problem in our democracy", I have no issue with a scripted message being put out. Really no different than a PSA. Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. This isn't a PSA. This is a private company spamming their opinion in the face of people who think they're watching news and not op-ed reality dramas. It's as much of a PSA as Geico commercial. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:898925563] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd be very bothered if hundreds of news stations read the exact same script regardless of what the issue was. This isn't a bunch of people calling a shooting sad. This is a manufactured opinion being presented exactly the same by every news outlet working for a specific company that is biased and parrots Presidential talking points. So they aren't even practicing what they are forcing their anchors to say like good little automatons. </quote> If the evidence were simply "pay attention to the source, fake news is a real problem in our democracy", I have no issue with a scripted message being put out. Really no different than a PSA.</quote> Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. This isn't a PSA. This is a private company spamming their opinion in the face of people who think they're watching news and not op-ed reality dramas. It's as much of a PSA as Geico commercial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:45:34 PM #74:	Tyranthraxus posted... Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? I also think that 'public' in terms of PSA doesn't refer to the actual funding, btw. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898925783] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. </quote> So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? I also think that 'public' in terms of PSA doesn't refer to the actual funding, btw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/02/18 12:47:31 PM #75:	COVxy posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? i think he's saying they're a secretive firm that makes their subsidiaries hide the fact that they are subsidiaries --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:898925903] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. </quote> So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't?</quote> i think he's saying they're a secretive firm that makes their subsidiaries hide the fact that they are subsidiaries</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/02/18 12:47:31 PM #76:	MADD is, as far as I know, a non-profit. They aren't selling "not drunk driving" to you, they don't get money whenever you take a cab. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:898925904] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote>MADD is, as far as I know, a non-profit. They aren't selling "not drunk driving" to you, they don't get money whenever you take a cab.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:50:09 PM #77:	Darkman124 posted... i think he's saying they're a secretive firm that makes their subsidiaries hide the fact that they are subsidiaries Seems to me that propaganda without any actual bias...kinda fails as propaganda. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898926057] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i think he's saying they're a secretive firm that makes their subsidiaries hide the fact that they are subsidiaries </quote> Seems to me that propaganda without any actual bias...kinda fails as propaganda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/02/18 12:50:38 PM #78:	COVxy posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898926093] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. </quote> So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't?</quote> Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 12:51:58 PM #79:	hockeybub89 posted... Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898926155] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. </quote> Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/02/18 12:58:33 PM #81:	COVxy posted... hockeybub89 posted... Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news. The script is the evidence. Who does things like this if they don't have an agenda? If Sinclair stations suddenly all made the exact same speech about how murder is bad and we will never murder, you'd start wondering where the hell the creepy statement was coming from since nothing happens by accident. Stop acting as if this is no different than seeing that all news anchors smile and calling it evidence that they are lizards. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:898926523] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. </quote> Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news.</quote> The script is the evidence. Who does things like this if they don't have an agenda? If Sinclair stations suddenly all made the exact same speech about how murder is bad and we will never murder, you'd start wondering where the hell the creepy statement was coming from since nothing happens by accident. Stop acting as if this is no different than seeing that all news anchors smile and calling it evidence that they are lizards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/02/18 12:59:33 PM #82:	COVxy posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? I also think that 'public' in terms of PSA doesn't refer to the actual funding, btw. That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. The Geico commercial example is up front about it. "Hi, we're a business named Geico. Buy our product." Sinclair is essentially selling their shitty right wing opinions. I have no problem with the concept of people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck going on air and broadcasting nationally "I support Trump and here's why you should too." but once again that's not what Sinclair is doing here. They're shoving their op-ed shit into a show explicitly labeled News. They are peddling the fake news that they are claiming to be against. It's like fucking Iago. "Hey Othello buddy, everyone's out to get you. I'm the only one you can trust." Othello: "Gosh Iago thanks for being such a good friend!" --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:898926565] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you're aware PSA stands for Public Service Announcement and there is nothing public whatsoever about Sinclair Broadcasting. </quote> So if a private organization, say MADD, ran a "don't drink and drive" ad, you'd find this to be fundamentally different than a state sponsored PSA that ran the same message? If both are presenting the same exact message, one is propaganda and the other isn't? I also think that 'public' in terms of PSA doesn't refer to the actual funding, btw.</quote> That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. The Geico commercial example is up front about it. "Hi, we're a business named Geico. Buy our product." Sinclair is essentially selling their shitty right wing opinions. I have no problem with the concept of people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck going on air and broadcasting nationally "I support Trump and here's why you should too." but once again that's not what Sinclair is doing here. They're shoving their op-ed shit into a show explicitly labeled News. They are peddling the fake news that they are claiming to be against. It's like fucking Iago. "Hey Othello buddy, everyone's out to get you. I'm the only one you can trust." Othello: "Gosh Iago thanks for being such a good friend!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/02/18 1:00:46 PM #83:	COVxy posted... hockeybub89 posted... Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news. Sinclair employees already admitted it. They're done this before as well. They're called "must run" scripts. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:898926622] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Did MADD buy hundreds of TV stations and hand them scripts? Sinclair is talking about bias and telling people what to think while being heavily Trump-centric and forcing their stations to all use the same specific language. It is not a coincidence and it is not innocuous. </quote> Yes, but this is not evident from the script about fake news.</quote> Sinclair employees already admitted it. They're done this before as well. They're called "must run" scripts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 1:04:53 PM #84:	Tyranthraxus posted... That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. I mean, not really. Yes, if you consider the other evidence, but the point was about the fake news message alone. The point I was trying to make after was that the way this argument is being made is deliberately manipulative, making people like me, who when presented with the full story in a more honest way, completely agree on the issue, question more than I have to. Presenting with the cropped footage with the synchronization of the fake news script is emotionally convincing, but without any additional information is just a completely shallow dig at emotion. Presenting the argument with this front and center is biased as hell, and takes away from the argument against another biased source. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898926799] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. </quote> I mean, not really. Yes, if you consider the other evidence, but the point was about the fake news message alone. The point I was trying to make after was that the way this argument is being made is deliberately manipulative, making people like me, who when presented with the full story in a more honest way, completely agree on the issue, question more than I have to. Presenting with the cropped footage with the synchronization of the fake news script is emotionally convincing, but without any additional information is just a completely shallow dig at emotion. Presenting the argument with this front and center is biased as hell, and takes away from the argument against another biased source.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/02/18 1:10:05 PM #85:	COVxy posted... Tyranthraxus posted... That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. I mean, not really. Yes, if you consider the other evidence, but the point was about the fake news message alone. The point I was trying to make after was that the way this argument is being made is deliberately manipulative, making people like me, who when presented with the full story in a more honest way, completely agree on the issue, question more than I have to. Presenting with the cropped footage with the synchronization of the fake news script is emotionally convincing, but without any additional information is just a completely shallow dig at emotion. Presenting the argument with this front and center is biased as hell, and takes away from the argument against another biased source. The video itself is emotionally manipulative because it exposes what's really going on. Like, nobody really wants to see what happens to a chicken before they pick it up in a skinless breast 3-pack at the grocery store. They'd rather just have it out of sight / out of mind. That doesn't really change the fact that it still happened and is essentially exactly what it's claiming to be. This isn't like a chopped up project veritas video that is deliberately misconstruing the actual events. It's not as though this guy collected footage from shows over years waiting for them to all say the same thing and then spliced them together. This actually happened, employees admitted it's going on (because the employees themselves are opposed to it) and it's basically every bit as bad as it looks. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:898927061] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>That's not quite the same thing. A better example would be if MADD owned rights to the Cops TV show and had nothing but programming where cops arrested drunk drivers and at no point anywhere does it mention MADD is in charge of anything and they're secretly using the money profits from the show to re-legislate prohibition. </quote> I mean, not really. Yes, if you consider the other evidence, but the point was about the fake news message alone. The point I was trying to make after was that the way this argument is being made is deliberately manipulative, making people like me, who when presented with the full story in a more honest way, completely agree on the issue, question more than I have to. Presenting with the cropped footage with the synchronization of the fake news script is emotionally convincing, but without any additional information is just a completely shallow dig at emotion. Presenting the argument with this front and center is biased as hell, and takes away from the argument against another biased source.</quote> The video itself is emotionally manipulative because it exposes what's really going on. Like, nobody really wants to see what happens to a chicken before they pick it up in a skinless breast 3-pack at the grocery store. They'd rather just have it out of sight / out of mind. That doesn't really change the fact that it still happened and is essentially exactly what it's claiming to be. This isn't like a chopped up project veritas video that is deliberately misconstruing the actual events. It's not as though this guy collected footage from shows over years waiting for them to all say the same thing and then spliced them together. This actually happened, employees admitted it's going on (because the employees themselves are opposed to it) and it's basically every bit as bad as it looks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/02/18 1:11:55 PM #86:	Tyranthraxus posted... The video itself is emotionally manipulative because it exposes what's really going on. Not really. Anyone, anyone who was really questioned at least, wouldn't give a crap about a benign message being scripted across stations. I mean, this is pretty much the definition of a PSA. The only reason why this raises a red flag is because of the insinuation of an underlying motive. And without the actual evidence being presented first and foremost, the argument is shallow because it relies on that insinuation. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:898927148] in Sinclair o... [t:76477500]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>The video itself is emotionally manipulative because it exposes what's really going on. </quote> Not really. Anyone, anyone who was really questioned at least, wouldn't give a crap about a benign message being scripted across stations. I mean, this is pretty much the definition of a PSA. The only reason why this raises a red flag is because of the insinuation of an underlying motive. And without the actual evidence being presented first and foremost, the argument is shallow because it relies on that insinuation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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