Current Events > Trump to send troops to guard border until wall/proper security achieved.

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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

except they will never receive the benefits. they are paying and receiving nothing,

Bullshit. Are you ignoring public schools, WIC, Emergency Medicaid, etc.? Also, simply access to our markets. Fucking being here is a god damn benefit.

Also, many literally send outside of the country, taking it out of our local economy.

they pay payroll and income taxes and sales taxes, just like everyone else.

schools are funded via property taxes. so the ones that own property pay taxes and the ones that rent pay rent and landlords pay property taxes.

Medicaid comes out of payroll taxes or from income taxes, both of which anyone receiving a paycheck pays into.

when i said "none of the benefits" i should have clarified i meant none of the retirement benefits or any benefit requiring an SSN. sorry.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

schools are funded via property taxes

Oh Jesus Christ, stop saying shit like this, you fucking know that school funding comes from more than just property tax. Why the hell are you being this intellectually lazy?
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Remember, TC feels that Mark Conditt was a handsome young man and felt sorry for his mother, but not the victims.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

schools are funded via property taxes

Oh Jesus Christ, stop saying shit like this, you fucking know that school funding comes from more than just property tax. Why the hell are you being this intellectually lazy?

the majority of school funding, at least where i live, comes from property taxes. and i already said that anyone receiving a paycheck is paying state/local taxes, plus sales tax via buying goods. what tax is missing?

https://www.lincolninst.edu/sites/default/files/pubfiles/future-of-public-school-revenue-policy-brief-lla170704_0.pdf

Local governments provided 45 percent of public school funding in 201314, and more than 80 percent came from the property tax. The federal government provided less than 9 percent of the total revenue of public schools, and state governments contributed 46 percen

if i get something wrong, please correct me. but just calling me "intellectually lazy" doesn't help the conversation much.

edit: i misused the word "majority" up there but it doesn't take away my point. i should have said "much".
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

the majority of

For the 2nd time in this topic, we can concern ourselves with problems that exist outside of the majority sphere. We address and discuss problems bilaterally. You're convincing NO ONE by trying to fiat away problems that exist in the <50% realm.

Let me put it in terms you should understand, the majority of police shootings involve white people. Does that negate the concerns of black folk?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Great, so you admitted they're breaking the law and stealing people's identities, too. That doesn't really help your case, and 1.8 million is not some impressive number to where our resources aren't being used on many here illegally.

they're using dead or abandoned SSNs.they aren't stealing anything from anyone. but yes, that's illegal and they shouldn't do it.

but i like how you completely sidestepped the real point that illegals that are employed in this country are either

1) using a fake SSN: this means they pay taxes and receive no benefits. these folks completely destroys your "they dont pay their share" argument because they pay their share and don't receive it.

2) employed illegally: this is the fault of the employer. if employers were cracked down on there wouldn't be places for illegals to work. why do you give them a pass while focusing all of your angst at the workers?

Not always... "A Mexican national has confessed to stealingthe identity of an American citizen, and over the course of 37 years pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars in government benefits."

And you're right, it's illegal. And I agree, employers should be held accountable.

But none of this has to do with the fact we have a problem with illegal immigration. I have no problems with Trump implementing tough laws or securing our border.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the majority of

For the 2nd time in this topic, we can concern ourselves with problems that exist outside of the majority sphere. We address and discuss problems bilaterally. You're convincing NO ONE by trying to fiat away problems that exist in the <50% realm.

Let me put it in terms you should understand, the majority of police shootings involve white people. Does that negate the concerns of black folk?

you've obsessed over semantics while ignoring the core of my argument that those people do pay taxes.
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Shuto-uke posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Breaking---

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump-military/trump-says-will-use-military-to-protect-u-s-border-idUSKCN1HA25B

Of course he said that. He doesn't want us to talk about this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/lawyer-linked-to-former-trump-aide-gets-30-days-in-prison-20000-fine-idUSKCN1HA20L

it's too obvious now

Isn't the term prison used when defining felony convictions and detainment of periods longer than a year? Maybe federally its different, idk. 30 days is typically referred to as jail.

Capn Circus posted...

But none of this has to do with the fact we have a problem with illegal immigration. I have no problems with Trump implementing tough laws or securing our border.

You'd have no problem lining the boarder with land mines though...
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I'm with Trump on this. There is a caravan of 1000 people heading towards our border with the purpose of taking advantage of our lax immigration laws which would see them detained then released on American soil where they'd be free to go to a sanctuary state/city and receive social benefits for doing something illegal. To let them flagrantly do this would make the government appear very weak and encourage future incidents like this.

In regards to sending the military:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43633505

Both of Mr Trump's predecessors in the White House deployed National Guard troops to help secure the US border.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

you've obsessed over semantics while ignoring the core of my argument that those people do pay taxes.

Okay they pay taxes. Great.

It's (illegal immigration) probably a net gain in many or most ways.
It's still seemingly and likely that they disproportionately take in benefits, even with the above being true.
It's still evident that they compete and drive wages down. Even bringing a net gain to the economy.

My sole concern in politics and the economy isn't the net gain.
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Sad!

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

But none of this has to do with the fact we have a problem with illegal immigration. I have no problems with Trump implementing tough laws or securing our border.

You'd have no problem lining the boarder with land mines though...

Lol, touche
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Don't most other countries use their military to patrol their borders too?
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this is not going to be very effective because legally the military cannot arrest or detain anyone on US soil

posse comitatus

XxKrazyChaosxX posted...

Don't most other countries use their military to patrol their borders too?

Trump did it though, so it's automatically evil to liberals.
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