Current Events > Fat acceptance is an insidious cancer upon society

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SageHarpuia posted...

Shut up tc, I am a beautiful slender woman

3 lies in one sentence
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COVxy posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Im talking about the simple biological mechanic, not any mental factors involved.

Do you know how complicated the signalling pathways for eating and drinking behavior are?

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if we don't do something about it, everyone in America is going to be fat as hell and the leading cause of death will be heart disease, a disease caused by obesity

oh wait

Fat people have absolutely no excuse because for them to lose weight and be healthy all they have to do is literally eat less than what they are currently eating.

Some fat fuck eats four cheeseburgers for lunch? Cut it down to two.

Some massive tub of lard drinks a two liter coke with dinner? Cut it down to a small bottle.

Some spherical blob eats three whole sleeves of oreos? How about just one sleeve?

It's not like there's some mandatory secret workout program or a rigid diet of certain, expensive foods; the answer is literally putting less food into their mouths.

That.

Is.

It.

Just eat whatever garbage you're already eating, just less of it.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

"fat activism" gtfo

i definitely think we should recognize that overweight people are people and they have feelings and need to be respected like anyone else, but silencing the objective fact that being overweight is bad for you is dangerous.

Define overweight.

Also carrying fat cells on your body does not equate to bad for you. Whats bad is a unhealthy cardiovascular system. Being obese is just a sign and a risk factor to what is actually bad.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html

carrying fat isn't bad. carrying too much of it is. and sure, the real problem is a bad cardiovascular system but being too fat puts a tremendous amount of work on that system and wears it down so much faster.

Amazon_Shampoo (i think that's her name) said it well: it's a lifestyle choice just like smoking cigarettes or drinking excessively. one should be aware of the health risks associated with that lifestyle choice and it's dangerous to silence information required to make a healthy risk:reward analysis.

edit: and i recognize that many people have what i would consider a 'food addiction' that's just as hard to break as any other addiction, if not harder because you need food to survive.

As a smoker I think this is spot on. Can't speak for the other parts though cause I'm pretty skinny I suppose.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Fat people have absolutely no excuse because for them to lose weight and be healthy all they have to do is literally eat less than what they are currently eating.

Some fat fuck eats four cheeseburgers for lunch? Cut it down to two.

Some massive tub of lard drinks a two liter coke with dinner? Cut it down to a small bottle.

Some spherical blob eats three whole sleeves of oreos? How about just one sleeve?

It's not like there's some mandatory secret workout program or a rigid diet of certain, expensive foods; the answer is literally putting less food into their mouths.

That.

Is.

It.

Just eat whatever garbage you're already eating, just less of it.

Hundreds of scientists wasting tax payer money when we have all the answers right here.
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COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Fat people have absolutely no excuse because for them to lose weight and be healthy all they have to do is literally eat less than what they are currently eating.

Some fat fuck eats four cheeseburgers for lunch? Cut it down to two.

Some massive tub of lard drinks a two liter coke with dinner? Cut it down to a small bottle.

Some spherical blob eats three whole sleeves of oreos? How about just one sleeve?

It's not like there's some mandatory secret workout program or a rigid diet of certain, expensive foods; the answer is literally putting less food into their mouths.

That.

Is.

It.

Just eat whatever garbage you're already eating, just less of it.

Hundreds of scientists wasting tax payer money when we have all the answers right here.

Glad to see you've come around.
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You shouldnt be a dick to someone because theyre fat.

But you shouldnt pretend theyre pretty, healthy, normal, etc.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

"fat activism" gtfo

i definitely think we should recognize that overweight people are people and they have feelings and need to be respected like anyone else, but silencing the objective fact that being overweight is bad for you is dangerous.

This.
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Nomadic View posted...

You shouldnt be a dick to someone because theyre fat.

But you shouldnt pretend theyre healthy

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"Just cut calories, obesity solved" is the "why don't we just print more money" of health.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Imagine not having time to exercise or prepare meals because youre working 3 jobs just to have people like Rebel think youre lazy.

You dont need to prepare your own meals or exercise to eat at a caloric deficit.
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shockthemonkey posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Imagine not having time to exercise or prepare meals because youre working 3 jobs just to have people like Rebel think youre lazy.

You dont need to prepare your own meals or exercise to eat at a caloric deficit.

Oh well in that case theyre definitely lazy, you obvious genius

Glad we agree!
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...

Oh ya, anyone who is fat and doesn't know it is super unhealthy is just delusional.

It's a choice like smoking or drinking.

Drinking in moderation(like me. I drink a couple low content drinks a week on average) is not really unhealthy.

Being fat is inherently unhealthy and so is smoking.
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most people who lose weight will eventually not only gain it back, but end up weighing more than before

I assume that's because those people returned to their unhealthy lifestyles after reaching some target weight.
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DarkDragon400 posted...

most people who lose weight will eventually not only gain it back, but end up weighing more than before

I assume that's because those people returned to their unhealthy lifestyles after reaching some target weight.

IIRC that's the reason the vast majority of the time. They lose weight because they successfully stick to some fad diet plan but then get off of it and of course they gain the weight right back.

If you permanently change your eating habits for the better then chances are, you're not going to be gaining the weight back.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

DarkDragon400 posted...

most people who lose weight will eventually not only gain it back, but end up weighing more than before

I assume that's because those people returned to their unhealthy lifestyles after reaching some target weight.

IIRC that's the reason the vast majority of the time. They lose weight because they successfully stick to some fad diet plan but then get off of it and of course they gain the weight right back.

If you permanently change your eating habits for the better then chances are, you're not going to be gaining the weight back.

This. The idea of a diet is one of the most toxic ideas in society. Its like being on a sinking ship and pumping water out to reach the shore but not even trying fixing the damage and promptly heading back out out to sea.

Its not about going on a diet its about lifestyle.
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shockthemonkey posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Imagine not having time to exercise or prepare meals because youre working 3 jobs just to have people like Rebel think youre lazy.

You dont need to prepare your own meals or exercise to eat at a caloric deficit.

Oh well in that case theyre definitely lazy, you obvious genius

I don't know if lazy is the word, but it is negligent. In this hypothetical outlier where the person is working 3 jobs, they can kind of be forgiven for not paying a lot of attention to their caloric intake, but they probably wouldn't have the time to consume a surplus of calories and, depending on the nature of those jobs, may be active enough to at least maintain a steady weight.

Even if they hit the drive-thru between jobs, that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be taking in an excessive amount of calories. Like McDonalds. I know those sausage, egg, and cheese McGriddles are super tasty, but they're also 550 calories just for the sandwich. Then it's another 150 calories for the hash brown. Get the Egg White Delight instead, for 250 calories. Instead of soda, get an unsweetened tea.

Those are just examples of changes I've made to my eating habits that have helped me lose 45 pounds in 9 months.
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pikachupwnage posted...

The idea of a diet is one of the most toxic ideas in society.

Agreed.

I've helped people lose weight on multiple occassions and I hate that I have to fight people away from trying fad diets.

Them: "I want to try this juicing diet for a few weeks"
Me:.....

I then have to go on and explain to them that unless they think they can successfully juice for the rest of their life, then they are most likely wasting their time from a longterm perspective. I have to fight those mindesets all the time and it gets really grating.
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Conflict posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Theyre too lazy to simply count calories.

C'mon you know it's not that simple

I don't know, man. Once I started paying attention to my calorie consumption and scaled it back, I started losing weight. Hitting the fitness center a few times a week helps, but I was losing weight well enough before I started that just by cutting back on calories.

It's not always easy to stick with the lower calorie options, I know, but it helps if you designate one day a week or so where you can spoil yourself. Because the hardest part for me was how monotonous my food options were without an occasional cheat day.
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COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Fat people have absolutely no excuse because for them to lose weight and be healthy all they have to do is literally eat less than what they are currently eating.

Some fat fuck eats four cheeseburgers for lunch? Cut it down to two.

Some massive tub of lard drinks a two liter coke with dinner? Cut it down to a small bottle.

Some spherical blob eats three whole sleeves of oreos? How about just one sleeve?

It's not like there's some mandatory secret workout program or a rigid diet of certain, expensive foods; the answer is literally putting less food into their mouths.

That.

Is.

It.

Just eat whatever garbage you're already eating, just less of it.

Hundreds of scientists wasting tax payer money when we have all the answers right here.

this but unironically.
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>this constructed metric that is linked to certain outcomes is not necessarily naturally occurring, but it has instrumental value
>I dont believe in science
>also did you know science says you cant lose weight?
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every fat person is in a fantasy world until they end up having a heart attack or have dizzy or fainting spells due to type 2 diabetes.
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BMI feels like a silly way to motivate someone's bad health. It's a measure designed for population studies rather than individuals. If an individual is obese, there are other ways to detect that.

Furthermore, BMI in itself doesn't increase the risk of dying early (at least in old people). Other things like being immobile, smoking, drinking, etc do. A person with high BMI that leads a healthy life won't die sooner than someone with low BMI doing the same thing.
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I don't think it's all evil, but it gets taken too far by some. Like the 'healthy at every size' thing'

IMO:
- People shouldn't be shamed for not being aesthetically pleasing, only encouraged to take better care of their bodies.
- Less focus should be put on people needing to have perfect bodies, instead just focusing on improving them and doing what they can.
- Those who are somewhat overweight shouldn't be lumped in by society with the people who are morbidly obese.

I feel like if it were more how I suggest, people might feel less discouraged to try.

We shouldn't shame people for being overweight. We shouldn't shame people for being anything other than what society deems as perfect. Besides, it's going to be far harder or near impossible for some people to reach that perfect state. But just because they can't get that amazing body, that doesn't mean they can't make their body better.

We should encourage people to try to be the best versions of themselves that they can.
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Awesome posted...

every fat person is in a fantasy world until they end up having a heart attack or have dizzy or fainting spells due to type 2 diabetes.

I used to get chest pains and nausea from even moderate physical activity and could barely spend 10 minutes on the elliptical machine without feeling like I might keel over. That was when I was at 230lbs.

It took some time and effort, but now I can spend a full hour on it without any issues like that.
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Esrac posted...

Awesome posted...

every fat person is in a fantasy world until they end up having a heart attack or have dizzy or fainting spells due to type 2 diabetes.

I used to get chest pains and nausea from even moderate physical activity and could barely spend 10 minutes on the elliptical machine without feeling like I might keel over. That was when I was at 230lbs.

It took some time and effort, but now I can spend a full hour on it without any issues like that.

This. When you hit your limit stop. The next day when you hit your limit go just slightly past it. Just do a few extra seconds,
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Conflict posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Fat people have absolutely no excuse because for them to lose weight and be healthy all they have to do is literally eat less than what they are currently eating.

Some fat fuck eats four cheeseburgers for lunch? Cut it down to two.

Some massive tub of lard drinks a two liter coke with dinner? Cut it down to a small bottle.

Some spherical blob eats three whole sleeves of oreos? How about just one sleeve?

It's not like there's some mandatory secret workout program or a rigid diet of certain, expensive foods; the answer is literally putting less food into their mouths.

That.

Is.

It.

Just eat whatever garbage you're already eating, just less of it.

Man you've really solved the answer to addiction huh

Why don't alcoholics just stop drinking?

Why don't people who struggle with maintaining an appetite just eat more?

Why don't homeless people just get a job?

I've seen you make this stupid ass post in so many topics and you still can't wrap your head around common sense and why it's not just as easy as "eat less". It's incredible

You seem to be assuming that every fat person has an eating disorder or mental condition. The actual biological mechanics just come down to CICO
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ASithLord7 posted...

You seem to be assuming that every fat person has an eating disorder or mental condition. The actual biological mechanics just come down to CICO

COVxy posted...

COVxy posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Im talking about the simple biological mechanic, not any mental factors involved.

Do you know how complicated the signalling pathways for eating and drinking behavior are?

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Im not talking about behavioral reasons.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Im not talking about behavioral reasons.

We're talking biological mechanisms here.
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Energy in, energy out is more of a physical process than a biological one tbh
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There are some of us who like being fat as well, It's totally wrong and shouldn't be encouraged, but if we want to kill ourselves then that's a risk we take really.

COVxy posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Im not talking about behavioral reasons.

We're talking biological mechanisms here.

Well then boo hoo, let's thin the herd of people that are too fucking weak to lose weight. We're not saying they have to run a marathon, just that they need to stick less candy and soda down their fucking mouths.

I get it, obesity is out of control because food companies realize that most humans are fucking weak and will destroy their own bodies with donuts. Sugar is prevalent in the grocery store, fine, but at the end of the day every human is an individual that was given one body, the one thing they have complete control over. If they are too fucking weak to defer the short term pleasure of giving into their sugar cravings so they can enjoy long term health, maybe that weak person deserves to have shitty health and be obese.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

There are some of us who like being fat as well, It's totally wrong and shouldn't be encouraged, but if we want to kill ourselves then that's a risk we take really.

No you fucking don't. You don't want to be 350lbs, you don't want to be confined to a fucking bed, you don't want your bones and organs crushed under the weight of your fat.

You want to be healthy, you want to be able to walk without being winded, you want to live past the age of fucking forty.

Classic fox and the grapes situation you got going for yourself. It's absolutely absurd, delusional, and dangerous

clearaflagrantj posted...

No you fucking don't. You don't want to be 350lbs, you don't want to be confined to a fucking bed, you don't want your bones and organs crushed under the weight of your fat.

You want to be healthy, you want to be able to walk without being winded, you want to live past the age of fucking forty.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I want? At least this way I have a .1% chance of being sexually assaulted.
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I mean the BMI is garbage, but not for the reasons she outlined, nor does that situation apply to her.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

There are some of us who like being fat as well, It's totally wrong and shouldn't be encouraged, but if we want to kill ourselves then that's a risk we take really.

No you fucking don't. You don't want to be 350lbs, you don't want to be confined to a fucking bed, you don't want your bones and organs crushed under the weight of your fat.

You want to be healthy, you want to be able to walk without being winded, you want to live past the age of fucking forty.

Classic fox and the grapes situation you got going for yourself. It's absolutely absurd, delusional, and dangerous

Your right, 350 is way way too low,I know this as I was way bigger before and am currently 350 and it sucks. I would love to be over 800 if I had my way, It's the biggest turn on I could ever think of. The only reason I am not is I am scared of death, I accept that as a whale I will totally not make it past 50, That's just a fact of life, But being winded with very little movement is actually also a turn on, as well as any comments I would get from that.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

Your right, 350 is way way too low, I would love to be over 800 if I had my way, It's the biggest turn on I could ever think of. The only reason I am not is I am scared of death, I accept that as a whale I will totally not make it past 50, That's just a fact of life, But being winded with very little movement is actually also a turn on, as well as any comments I would get from that.

Your fetishes are dangerous and probably the result of some sort of trauma or abuse you suffered a child, seek therapy.

Conflict posted...

You still don't understand the concept of 'addiction' and continue to spout arguments as stupid as "alcoholics should just stop drinking"

It's cause of people spouting dumb shit like you why we have people spouting dumb shit in that twitter picture.

Alcohol is significantly more addictive than sugar. Next you're going to tell me VG or pot addiction is just as serious as heroin.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

There are some of us who like being fat as well, It's totally wrong and shouldn't be encouraged, but if we want to kill ourselves then that's a risk we take really.

No you fucking don't. You don't want to be 350lbs, you don't want to be confined to a fucking bed, you don't want your bones and organs crushed under the weight of your fat.

You want to be healthy, you want to be able to walk without being winded, you want to live past the age of fucking forty.

Classic fox and the grapes situation you got going for yourself. It's absolutely absurd, delusional, and dangerous

Your right, 350 is way way too low, I would love to be over 800 if I had my way, It's the biggest turn on I could ever think of. The only reason I am not is I am scared of death, I accept that as a whale I will totally not make it past 50, That's just a fact of life, But being winded with very little movement is actually also a turn on, as well as any comments I would get from that.

You would love Kipteiteis works.

But sometimes you gotta confine fetishes to fapping to some deviants work. Stick to fantasy and living viscerally through television about fat people instead of destroying your life. Therapy would be a better option though.

Lack of mobility is absolutely horrible.

http://www.thisisinsider.com/woman-found-maggots-in-skin-my-600-lb-life-2018-2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5524413/Bedridden-obese-woman-rotten-legs-infested-maggots.html

https://www.theroot.com/too-fat-to-be-saved-500-pound-teen-dies-in-fire-1790881007
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COVxy's assertions about signaling pathways have nothing to do with the fact that people can choose at any time to lay down the donuts and Big Macs.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

Your right, 350 is way way too low, I would love to be over 800 if I had my way, It's the biggest turn on I could ever think of. The only reason I am not is I am scared of death, I accept that as a whale I will totally not make it past 50, That's just a fact of life, But being winded with very little movement is actually also a turn on, as well as any comments I would get from that.

Your fetishes are dangerous and probably the result of some sort of trauma or abuse you suffered a child, seek therapy.

Conflict posted...

You still don't understand the concept of 'addiction' and continue to spout arguments as stupid as "alcoholics should just stop drinking"

It's cause of people spouting dumb shit like you why we have people spouting dumb shit in that twitter picture.

Alcohol is significantly more addictive than sugar. Next you're going to tell me VG or pot addiction is just as serious as heroin.

Oh ya, Totally right on the money with that one. However I'm pretty happy with myself and really go out of the way to ensure I am not a burden on anyone and that my fetish is my problem alone. That being said it is super nice to be with someone who is into that.

Not all fat people have a food addiction or other type of eating disorder. Those that do are in the small minority, unless you think such things just happen to be more common in America than elsewhere
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I'm sure its already been discussed but I think people need to understand the difference between "Acceptance" and "not being an asshole"...For myself its not about "Accepting" people who are overweight as Healthy....its just about not being an asshole to them for no reason. A lot of overweight people are shamed and made fun of and the ones who do that do so in under the guise of "I'm just trying to help them man its not healthy!"....Nah, you're just being an asshole for no reason...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person. Save for a few crazies there really aren't many people who think overweight is healthy. There are better ways to get that point across. it just seems like the ones who hate "fat acceptance" aren't using those better ways and are instead just being assholes.

There is also the difference between Obese and just a little chubby. Like when a "plus size" model who isn't really that fat at all gets shamed for being a little chubby...they aren't obese or unhealthy at all but people still make fun of them.
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