Current Events > Doctors treat symptoms. Naturopaths treat the cause.

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Says guy who doesn't know what a beta islet cell is, but has an all natural cure for diabetes
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As a person with diabetes, fuck that guy.

this is an oddly specific topic
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Read a story about a guy in a similar situation to me (cancer with an 80% cure rate) who forewent chemotherapy in favor of "natural remedies"

I shake my head
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Dash_Harber posted...

As a person with diabetes, fuck that guy.

Had a Naturopath tell a type 1 diabetic to stop insulin.
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What do you have against quacks? I saw you complaining about them in that other topic.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

As a person with diabetes, fuck that guy.

Had a Naturopath tell a type 1 diabetic to stop insulin.

That man should be sued and locked up for attempted manslaughter.

DifferentialEquation posted...

What do you have against quacks? I saw you complaining about them in that other topic.

I treat their patients when they wind up being admitted to the hospital.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

What do you have against quacks? I saw you complaining about them in that other topic.

I treat their patients when they wind up being admitted to the hospital.

So you're getting more business because of them.
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Ginger cures cancer m i rite
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Well I'm a Pisces so I don't need insulin this week.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Well I'm a Pisces so I don't need insulin this week.

It just means you need fish insulin.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

What do you have against quacks? I saw you complaining about them in that other topic.

I treat their patients when they wind up being admitted to the hospital.

So you're getting more business because of them.

There's more than enough business without naturopaths, trust me.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Well I'm a Pisces so I don't need insulin this week.

It just means you need fish insulin.

You mean fishsulin?

"I don't take insulin because I don't take chemicals harmful to my body"
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Ill never understand these people, and ill also never understand the people that eat their bullshit, how many people have died because of crap like that.
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Sage of six narutopaths?
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Rub this duck butthole oil on your feet before bed to get rid of that lupus.
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My mom knew a lady whose grade-school daughter had cancer. Doctors said they had to amputate a leg.

The lady refused so she took the little girl to mexico for alternative treatments. Apparently a clinic over there said they know the cure for cancer.

The little girl died. It's just such a frustrating story. Urgh.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

"I don't take insulin because I don't take chemicals harmful to my body"

We get a lot of patients from Mexico, and the culture down here is basically that of "I refuse to ever go on insulin because it causes blindness".

Errm, no, it's your very advanced diabetes that causes blindness.

If you think private practice in the US is bad, you should see half of the plans we get when people cross the border.
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MrPeppers posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

"I don't take insulin because I don't take chemicals harmful to my body"

We get a lot of patients from Mexico, and the culture down here is basically that of "I refuse to ever go on insulin because it causes blindness".

Errm, no, it's your very advanced diabetes that causes blindness.

If you think private practice in the US is bad, you should see half of the plans we get when people cross the border.

That sounds super rough
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DifferentialEquation posted...

What do you have against quacks? I saw you complaining about them in that other topic.

looks like we found out what triggers tc lmfao
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read that as Narutopath

would have been a much more interesting topic.
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Vaccines cause autism.

That line pisses me off. Sadly people who are otherwise rational when it comes to medicine believe that.
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lilORANG posted...

read that as Narutopath

would have been a much more interesting topic.

Would be just as legit
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It pisses me off when I see people buying all that bullshit at the pharmacy. Don't even know why it's sold. The pharmacists tell them to stay away from that homeopathic and naturopathic shit if they are consulted.
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lilORANG posted...

read that as Narutopath

would have been a much more interesting topic.

Detoxification jutsu!
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Telepaths know thoughts, empaths feel feelings.
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beta islet cell

is this what we're calling ce these days
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hockeybub89 posted...

It pisses me off when I see people buying all that bullshit at the pharmacy. Don't even know why it's sold. The pharmacists tell them to stay away from that homeopathic and naturopathic shit if they are consulted.

Free market.
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hockeybub89 posted...

It pisses me off when I see people buying all that bullshit at the pharmacy. Don't even know why it's sold. The pharmacists tell them to stay away from that homeopathic and naturopathic shit if they are consulted.

Shouldnt piss you off. Just laugh at the stupid shit people fall for. Its even crazier that if a celebrity says it true then it must be true.

creativerealms posted...

Vaccines cause autism.

That line pisses me off. Sadly people who are otherwise rational when it comes to medicine believe that.

The heavy metals in vaccines go straight to the brain.
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Scientists are like car engineers they figure out how things work and create new things, doctors are like car mechanics, they tell you that you need to buy replacement parts. Naturopaths are the people with shopping carts filled with junk walking down the road looking for beer cans.

I need more Radithor to treat my insomnia
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Eh. Everyone on both sides are shills just trying to peddle their wares. The vast majority of what's out there isn't anything close to a "cure," it just helps to make you a little more comfortable as you waste away from an unidentified ailment typically caused by many, many years of self-neglect or overindulgence.

Really all you can do for yourself is maintain a healthy lifestyle. Proper nutrition, exercise, etc. Beyond that there's really no answers out there. Certainly not ones that are going to come from any sort of bottle or package.
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@Ultima_DragonDragon posted...

The vast majority of what's out there isn't anything close to a "cure," it just helps to make you a little more comfortable as you waste away from an unidentified ailment typically caused by many, many years of self-neglect or overindulgence.

I mean I don't wanna play the "Lymphoma" card

But yeah I have Lymphoma. From my understanding this wasn't something caused by my lifestyle. Just one day a white blood cell decided "fuck this I wanna be unique" and went crazy.

And the treatment for it, by all accounts, is designed to cure me. To rid me of it permanently. From what has been said, 90% of the time it works. And even then there's a plan B and C and D in place to cure it if plan A doesn't work.

So needless to say I disagree with this a lot. Naturopaths and alternative medicine is a scam. Actual doctors and modern medicine is there to cure you whenever possible, or if curing isn't possible then to manage your shit as well as it can.

"Both sides" aren't out there to peddle their wares. It's just one side.
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It's funny because the literal opposite is true
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Ugh. As a future midlevel provider and nurse, I can't fucking stand naturopaths.
They cause more harm than good, as evidenced by them still needing to be in the fucking hospital.
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joestarrr posted...

Ugh. As a future midlevel provider and nurse, I can't fucking stand naturopaths.
They cause more harm than good, as evidenced by them still needing to be in the fucking hospital.

A girl I went to HS with heard about my condition and said I should look into "edibles and acupuncture"

Like yeah that'll shrink the fist sized tumor in my chest. Idiot.
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Doom_Art posted...

A girl I went to HS with heard about my condition and said I should look into "edibles and acupuncture"

is she an anti-vaxxer
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Doom_Art posted...

@Ultima_DragonDragon posted...

The vast majority of what's out there isn't anything close to a "cure," it just helps to make you a little more comfortable as you waste away from an unidentified ailment typically caused by many, many years of self-neglect or overindulgence.

I mean I don't wanna play the "Lymphoma" card

But yeah I have Lymphoma. From my understanding this wasn't something caused by my lifestyle. Just one day a white blood cell decided "fuck this I wanna be unique" and went crazy.

And the treatment for it, by all accounts, is designed to cure me. To rid me of it permanently. From what has been said, 90% of the time it works. And even then there's a plan B and C and D in place to cure it if plan A doesn't work.

So needless to say I disagree with this a lot. Naturopaths and alternative medicine is a scam. Actual doctors and modern medicine is there to cure you whenever possible, or if curing isn't possible then to manage your shit as well as it can.

"Both sides" aren't out there to peddle their wares. It's just one side.

That's fair. I was speaking mostly in general terms, obviously yours is a special case where only proper and extensive medical intervention has the potential to save you. For myself personally, I had to have an appendectomy when I was younger and without it I certainly would have died. I think that's where modern medicine shines. Emergency situations, healing fractures, operations, etc.

Although on the other side of it, there's always the saying "a pill for every ill." Visiting a GP will often result in having them sit there nodding with their prescription pad out, sort of half-listening while you describe your symptoms. There's a lot of guess work involved. They can order a lot of tests, but even those don't always determine the culprit. So it comes down to just managing the symptoms in an attempt to improve the quality of life.

Edit: Like, how many people do you know that are swallowing handfuls of pills every day and will have to for the rest of their lives? Most people's parents are like this, hell, some of your peers likely are as well. I have to wonder, is that really the best we can do?
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Awesome posted...

creativerealms posted...

Vaccines cause autism.

That line pisses me off. Sadly people who are otherwise rational when it comes to medicine believe that.

The heavy metals in vaccines go straight to the brain.

The amount you get from a vaccine is much less then the amount that enters the body though other means. It's fear mongering.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Although on the other side of it, there's always the saying "a pill for every ill." Visiting a GP will often result in having them sit there nodding with their prescription pad out, sort of half-listening while you describe your symptoms. There's a lot of guess work involved. They can order a lot of tests, but even those don't always determine the culprit. So it comes down to just managing the symptoms in an attempt to improve the quality of life.

Edit: Like, how many people do you know that are swallowing handfuls of pills every day and will have to for the rest of their lives? Most people's parents are like this, hell, some of your peers likely are as well. I have to wonder, is that really the best we can do?

That's because many diseases are congenital and are caused from errors in your genetic material. From a single cell that error has propagated into every organ in your body that is made up by billions and billions of cells.

Pills don't exist as some evil plot to keep people perpetually sick, they exist because scientists can't correct the DNA mutations as of yet, and a damaged gene will continually produced a defected product. Pills exist to counteract a continuous problem. If they could cure genetic problems, they would but it's hard as hell. Cells protect their DNA tightly for a reason you know, because if it was easy to manipulate DNA we'd be dead long ago.

There's also the problem of a bad experience when scientists did cure someone of a disease, but ended up giving them cancer as a side reaction of trying to modify and correct DNA mutations using viruses. Since then, research in that field has been very tightly regulated.

Theres a new guy at work whos all about the homeopathy and a Jesus freak. Former alcoholic so he feeds himself sermons all day via YouTube because I guess thats what it takes for him to survive. Hes a nice enough guy, but when he first brought up his homeopathy bs I lost a lot of respect for him.

Hell start talking about how he watched this documentary on YouTube about the truth about vaccines and I just stop listening because I know its all crap. One time I told him that it might not be a documentary and he got all defensive about it.

Hes also into this brand of supposed health food that delivers nutrients to your body using its natural pathways, aka digestion. Quackery at its finest.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Eh. Everyone on both sides are shills just trying to peddle their wares. The vast majority of what's out there isn't anything close to a "cure," it just helps to make you a little more comfortable as you waste away from an unidentified ailment typically caused by many, many years of self-neglect or overindulgence.

Really all you can do for yourself is maintain a healthy lifestyle. Proper nutrition, exercise, etc. Beyond that there's really no answers out there. Certainly not ones that are going to come from any sort of bottle or package.

The difference, besides actual knowledge, is that doctors don't make or sell the medicine they prescribe. That's a conflict of interest.

Plus, it helps if your practicioner actually knows the physiology, pathology and biochemical processes behind illness instead of explaining it as some kind of vitalism imbalance.
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