Current Events > What reason is there to be anti-prostitution in principle?

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Prostitution is no different than any other business transaction. Free market, right?
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I'm not going to allow that kind of behavior in muh Christian nation
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because it is coerced sex
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Because old white men like to control what women do, even if they arent related to them or involved sexually.
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Society is built on sex being something to obtain through effort and by being an attractive mate. If you can just buy it, the pussy market will crash. This will cascade into other markets and eventually total global economic collapse.
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Like any business you need certain standards for public safety etc...

Prostitution from the viewpoint of a certified facility and STD tested women and other safeties in place make sense.

But just random street hookers.... If you can;t see why that's illegal you're being dishonest with yourself.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Like any business you need certain standards for public safety etc...

Prostitution from the viewpoint of a certified facility and STD tested women and other safeties in place make sense.

But just random street hookers.... If you can;t see why that's illegal you're being dishonest with yourself.

Random street hookers exist precisely because prostitution is illegal.
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Human trafficking.
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Get a real job.
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People like to blame religion but really it's because Uncle Sam doesn't get his fair cut.
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voldothegr8 posted...

People like to blame religion but really it's because Uncle Sam doesn't get his fair cut.

This doesn't make sense. You could say that about any kind of labor that involves just 2 people. Like a massage therapist.
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Flockaveli posted...

Human trafficking.

Consensual sex between two adults in exchange for money is, in principle, human trafficking?
Grindcorp9000 posted...

Get a real job.

So because you don't think it's a real job (which it is), you are against anyone doing it?
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Sigh. Once again, countries with legal prostitution have higher rates of human trafficking

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
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Garioshi posted...

Random street hookers exist precisely because prostitution is illegal.

I don't think you know what that word means.

Also I don't think you understand my argument.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Society is built on sex being something to obtain through effort and by being an attractive mate. If you can just buy it, the pussy market will crash. This will cascade into other markets and eventually total global economic collapse.

It's been legal for most of human history though and society didn't collapse then

Steve Nick posted...

because it is coerced sex

Prostitutes can say no. They're not obligated to accept your payment and render a service.

Flockaveli posted...

Human trafficking.

This is a practical concern, not one of principle. We can fix a lot of practical concerns if we want, but there seem to be large principle issues in American culture that prevent that.

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Get a real job.

It's probably the oldest service industry in the book. You know several classical and older religious traditions used to hire temple prostitutes as part of their rituals/to assist patrons in their worship, right?

Zikten posted...

It's been legal for most of human history though and society didn't collapse then

My God, I'm agreeing with Zikten.
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Zikten posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Society is built on sex being something to obtain through effort and by being an attractive mate. If you can just buy it, the pussy market will crash. This will cascade into other markets and eventually total global economic collapse.

It's been legal for most of human history though and society didn't collapse then

You get that my post was a joke right?
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Letron_James posted...

Because old white men like to control what women do, even if they arent related to them or involved sexually.

What does being white have to do with anything?
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hollow_shrine posted...

Steve Nick posted...

because it is coerced sex

Prostitutes can say no. They're not obligated to accept your payment and render a service.

Hope she has a good lawyer
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sigh. Once again, countries with legal prostitution have higher rates of human trafficking

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

Only because there's a fuck ton of human trafficking going into Europe for coincidental economic/political reasons to begin with.

Plus we can't really expect countries like India to give us reliable numbers on their human trafficking rates (no offense)
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Syphilis.

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sigh. Once again, countries with legal prostitution have higher rates of human trafficking

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

That's not an issue of principle, however.
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Garioshi posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sigh. Once again, countries with legal prostitution have higher rates of human trafficking

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

That's not an issue of principle, however.

So? Pragmatism must play a roll in governance.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Garioshi posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sigh. Once again, countries with legal prostitution have higher rates of human trafficking

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

That's not an issue of principle, however.

So? Pragmatism must play a roll in governance.

The thought experiment presented by the topic explicitly asks us to think of principled reasons, though. I'm assuming it does this because our principles become our policies (this is especially true in America), and were our principles supportive of prostitution we would invest time and money in developing policy to make it safe, address concerns like consent, and protect against human trafficking. A lot of practical concerns around prostitution are actually solvable, but only if we care enough to make them a priority, and right now we demonstrably don't.
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I really don't feel we've made any kind of progress on this topic, which is unsatisfying. I do think there's something worth discussing here, if we could only name what informs our American cultural attitudes about prostitution and name what things are different for those countries where prostitution is legal and regulated.
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hollow_shrine posted...

I do think there's something worth discussing here, if we could only name what informs our American cultural attitudes about prostitution and name what things are different for those countries where prostitution is legal and regulated.

Here's a hint:

wackyteen posted...

I'm not going to allow that kind of behavior in muh Christian nation

its legal in nevada outside clark county
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Steve Nick posted...

because it is coerced sex

This, it becomes the only way for foreveralones to get sex. We shouldn't be putting that on them.
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hollow_shrine posted...

I really don't feel we've made any kind of progress on this topic

Eh, I thought post 25 was well thought out, presented, and definitely a fair enough situation.

While I was joking about being anti-prostitution, legalizing it would incentivize girls towards it, even if you control for the problems associated with it, it seems like an inherently unhealthy (mentally) lifestyle and career choice. Part of me, maybe the white knight part of my brain, wants to reject it solely as icky. It's basically the last career option any father would want for their daughter. Maybe it's ineffable, maybe it's paternalism, protectionist, maybe it's sexist. I dunno . .

That said, I have no problem with the legality of selling, fucking, and thus I mustn't legally have a problem with selling fucking.
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Even Americans who aren't particularly religious seem to have a certain relationship to sex and sexuality, that would almost certainly change were we to fully legalize and regulate prostitution. I don't personally think our attitudes about sex and sexuality are necessarily all that healthy compared to places where prostitution is legal, but there is potentially an argument to be had there.

On the topic of government regulation, I also feel like there might be room for an opposing argument there too. In order for prostitution to be reasonably safe for sex workers and potential customers, you'd need some pretty strong regulatory measures that would likely chafe anti-reg people, though I wonder how many of them oppose prostitution on principle.
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hollow_shrine posted...

I really don't feel we've made any kind of progress on this topic, which is unsatisfying. I do think there's something worth discussing here, if we could only name what informs our American cultural attitudes about prostitution and name what things are different for those countries where prostitution is legal and regulated.

I believe it primarily stems from Victorian influences from the early 20th Century and the general prevalence of religious fundamentalisn in the US today.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Letron_James posted...

Because old white men like to control what women do, even if they arent related to them or involved sexually.

What does being white have to do with anything?

@Letron_James
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voldothegr8 posted...

People like to blame religion but really it's because Uncle Sam doesn't get his fair cut.

You've got the causes and effects mixed up.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Zikten posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Society is built on sex being something to obtain through effort and by being an attractive mate. If you can just buy it, the pussy market will crash. This will cascade into other markets and eventually total global economic collapse.

It's been legal for most of human history though and society didn't collapse then

You get that my post was a joke right?

I mean, you jest, but part of what you said is the primary reason why. The pussy market would crash. All of sudden women have a lot less negotiating power. Lots of fellas go off the market because why wouldn't they just spend a fraction of the cost for significantly more regular action? It's the same reason certain people rail against sex toys for men, sex robots and eventually I'm sure, VR sex rigs.