Current Events > Conservatives always misinterpret the intention of "freedom of speech"

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Genocet69 04/10/18 9:44:07 AM #1:	They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences. --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899396930] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 04/10/18 9:44:29 AM #2:	But muh freedom of speech --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:899396943] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>But muh freedom of speech</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 04/10/18 9:45:07 AM #3:	I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:899396972] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 04/10/18 9:45:39 AM #4:	St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:899396999] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/10/18 9:48:17 AM #5:	St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899397090] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 04/10/18 10:02:05 AM #6:	Why do liberals hate the 1st and 2nd amendments so much? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:899397593] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Why do liberals hate the 1st and 2nd amendments so much?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/10/18 10:04:24 AM #7:	averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? Just recently. They were crying about freedom of speech in regards to any backlash against kneeling NFL players. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:899397684] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> Just recently. They were crying about freedom of speech in regards to any backlash against kneeling NFL players.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/10/18 10:07:42 AM #8:	averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899397798] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 04/10/18 10:09:18 AM #9:	averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? "freedom to only say rhetoric approved by The Party" --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:899397851] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> "freedom to only say rhetoric approved by The Party"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 04/10/18 10:09:30 AM #10:	Abuse of the amendments have always been morally wrong but then again Repubs know almost nothing about morals. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:899397858] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Abuse of the amendments have always been morally wrong but then again Repubs know almost nothing about morals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/10/18 10:19:22 AM #11:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas. how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899398275] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas.</quote> how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 10:21:44 AM #12:	averagejoel posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas. how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that? Shhhh, don't take away their imaginary strawman away from them --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899398363] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas.</quote> how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that?</quote> Shhhh, don't take away their imaginary strawman away from them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/10/18 10:23:10 AM #13:	averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899398416] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 10:23:52 AM #14:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899398454] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/10/18 10:25:12 AM #15:	Take a look at the current state of London if you want to see what leftist policies are going to get you going forward. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899398509] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Take a look at the current state of London if you want to see what leftist policies are going to get you going forward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/10/18 10:25:47 AM #16:	Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? So you've shifted from claiming that conservatives misinterpret freedom of speech to outright admitting that liberals do and will act on that if they make up the majority. Interesting line of argument. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899398530] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> So you've shifted from claiming that conservatives misinterpret freedom of speech to outright admitting that liberals do and will act on that if they make up the majority. Interesting line of argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 04/10/18 10:26:39 AM #17:	Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older? --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:899398566] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/10/18 10:27:24 AM #18:	voldothegr8 posted... Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? How does it make you feel a lot of them will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older? His only hope is to let the illegals come in so they will vote Democrat ;) --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899398595] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> How does it make you feel a lot of them will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older?</quote> His only hope is to let the illegals come in so they will vote Democrat ;)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Infinite 2003 04/10/18 10:28:20 AM #19:	Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? That was a very quick jump from calling the concept of leftists wanting to remove freedom of speech an "imaginary strawman" to outright supporting it yourself. --- Before I knew it there was poop on my lips. - squarion <cite>Infinite 2003 posted [p:899398629] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> That was a very quick jump from calling the concept of leftists wanting to remove freedom of speech an "imaginary strawman" to outright supporting it yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/10/18 10:28:49 AM #20:	Genocet69 posted... How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? The baby boomers were the hippie generation, so the shift may not be as significant as you seem to think. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899398652] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote>How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> The baby boomers were the hippie generation, so the shift may not be as significant as you seem to think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 04/10/18 10:29:58 AM #21:	Genocet69 posted... They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences. The left: Freedom of speech not freedom from social consequences! If you say things we don't like we'll get you fired, doxxed, and generally go out of our way to ruin your life! Also the left when NFL players kneeled: HOW DARE YOU criticize people for exercising their freedom of speech you awful racists/nationalists/whateverists! There should never be consequences! --- "Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:899398705] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote>They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences.</quote> The left: Freedom of speech not freedom from social consequences! If you say things we don't like we'll get you fired, doxxed, and generally go out of our way to ruin your life! Also the left when NFL players kneeled: HOW DARE YOU criticize people for exercising their freedom of speech you awful racists/nationalists/whateverists! There should never be consequences!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 04/10/18 10:32:11 AM #22:	God damn TC is getting eviscerated --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:899398804] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>God damn TC is getting eviscerated</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 04/10/18 10:34:03 AM #23:	Always a great sign when half the posts of a topic are missing. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:899398887] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Always a great sign when half the posts of a topic are missing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/10/18 10:40:18 AM #24:	averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? See Admiral's post. Plus the shit going on on college campuses, trying to shout people down instead of attack their ideas, deplatforming speakers, doxing, social media bans, etc etc etc You're not doing anyone, especially your own side any favors by taking a dishonest position here and pretending that there aren't problems. It's laughably absurd to pretend that there isn't massive amounts of strife going on in leftist circles because of these issues. and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that? http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/08/media/donald-trump-twitter-block-lawsuit/index.html But here's the deal, I'm doing house cleaning. I'm largely Liberal, but I'm going to take free speech rhetoric wherever I can get it. That's my primary operating principle, that's the primary foundational value of Western civilization. It doesn't matter if you're left, right, conservative, liberal, Democrat or Republican. Free speech is supreme. I don't really give a fuck about convince people that have dug their heels in on these issues, I'm just going to show the young and impressionable that there is an island of rational moderacy in politics between the two oceans of hypocritical abject stupid. There are other choices between kek-lulz edgelordian Pepe Nazism and SJW commie authoritarianism. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899399174] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> See Admiral's post. Plus the shit going on on college campuses, trying to shout people down instead of attack their ideas, deplatforming speakers, doxing, social media bans, etc etc etc You're not doing anyone, especially your own side any favors by taking a dishonest position here and pretending that there aren't problems. It's laughably absurd to pretend that there isn't massive amounts of strife going on in leftist circles because of these issues. <quote>and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that?</quote> http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/08/media/donald-trump-twitter-block-lawsuit/index.html But here's the deal, I'm doing house cleaning. I'm largely Liberal, but I'm going to take free speech rhetoric wherever I can get it. That's my primary operating principle, that's the primary foundational value of Western civilization. It doesn't matter if you're left, right, conservative, liberal, Democrat or Republican. Free speech is supreme. I don't really give a fuck about convince people that have dug their heels in on these issues, I'm just going to show the young and impressionable that there is an island of rational moderacy in politics between the two oceans of hypocritical abject stupid. There are other choices between kek-lulz edgelordian Pepe Nazism and SJW commie authoritarianism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Genocet69 04/10/18 10:48:06 AM #26:	shockthemonkey posted... Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? Yikes What? I'm not wishing death on them. But they are an aging group of people who will die before the millennials do --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899399519] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> Yikes</quote> What? I'm not wishing death on them. But they are an aging group of people who will die before the millennials do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 04/10/18 11:00:00 AM #27:	voldothegr8 posted... How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older? This is completely and utterly false. What really happens is both individuals and society as a whole turn more liberal over time, but society collectively does it faster than most individuals. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:899400071] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older?</quote> This is completely and utterly false. What really happens is both individuals and society as a whole turn more liberal over time, but society collectively does it faster than most individuals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 11:01:22 AM #28:	CircleOfManias posted... voldothegr8 posted... How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older? This is completely and utterly false. What really happens is both individuals and society as a whole turn more liberal over time, but society collectively does it faster than most individuals. Yeah. At most they'll get a bit more fiscally conservative. But anyone who thinks they'll suddenly turn in to wacky pro life, LGBT hating social conservatives is dreaming --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899400133] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote> How does it make you feel a lot of millennials will drop their unfeasible liberal ideologies and turn conservative as they get older?</quote> This is completely and utterly false. What really happens is both individuals and society as a whole turn more liberal over time, but society collectively does it faster than most individuals.</quote> Yeah. At most they'll get a bit more fiscally conservative. But anyone who thinks they'll suddenly turn in to wacky pro life, LGBT hating social conservatives is dreaming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fuparulez 04/10/18 11:03:28 AM #29:	Conservatives are the ones who don't understand free speech? Amazing how many have forgotten that just a few years ago the Democrats wanted to CRIMINALIZE anything they considered "hate speech." Which we now know means "any speech they don't like." --- It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya! <cite>Fuparulez posted [p:899400228] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives are the ones who don't understand free speech? Amazing how many have forgotten that just a few years ago the Democrats wanted to CRIMINALIZE anything they considered "hate speech." Which we now know means "any speech they don't like."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/10/18 11:04:22 AM #30:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... See Admiral's post. Plus the shit going on on college campuses, trying to shout people down instead of attack their ideas, deplatforming speakers, doxing, social media bans, etc etc etc I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. the free speech issues on college campuses comes from right wing persecution complexes. being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech. depriving someone of a platform (especially when they already have their own platform) is not a free speech issue. You're not doing anyone, especially your own side any favors by taking a dishonest position here and pretending that there aren't problems. It's laughably absurd to pretend that there isn't massive amounts of strife going on in leftist circles because of these issues. I was only asking questions. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899400268] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>See Admiral's post. Plus the shit going on on college campuses, trying to shout people down instead of attack their ideas, deplatforming speakers, doxing, social media bans, etc etc etc </quote> I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. the free speech issues on college campuses comes from right wing persecution complexes. being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech. depriving someone of a platform (especially when they already have their own platform) is not a free speech issue. <quote>You're not doing anyone, especially your own side any favors by taking a dishonest position here and pretending that there aren't problems. It's laughably absurd to pretend that there isn't massive amounts of strife going on in leftist circles because of these issues.</quote> I was only asking questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/10/18 11:08:12 AM #31:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/08/media/donald-trump-twitter-block-lawsuit/index.html I see 0 indication that any of those people were leftists But here's the deal, I'm doing house cleaning. I'm largely Liberal, but I'm going to take free speech rhetoric wherever I can get it. That's my primary operating principle, that's the primary foundational value of Western civilization. It doesn't matter if you're left, right, conservative, liberal, Democrat or Republican. Free speech is supreme. I don't really give a fuck about convince people that have dug their heels in on these issues, I'm just going to show the young and impressionable that there is an island of rational moderacy in politics between the two oceans of hypocritical abject stupid. There are other choices between kek-lulz edgelordian Pepe Nazism and SJW commie authoritarianism. you're pretty clearly more sympathetic to one side --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899400457] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/08/media/donald-trump-twitter-block-lawsuit/index.html</quote> I see 0 indication that any of those people were leftists <quote>But here's the deal, I'm doing house cleaning. I'm largely Liberal, but I'm going to take free speech rhetoric wherever I can get it. That's my primary operating principle, that's the primary foundational value of Western civilization. It doesn't matter if you're left, right, conservative, liberal, Democrat or Republican. Free speech is supreme. I don't really give a fuck about convince people that have dug their heels in on these issues, I'm just going to show the young and impressionable that there is an island of rational moderacy in politics between the two oceans of hypocritical abject stupid. There are other choices between kek-lulz edgelordian Pepe Nazism and SJW commie authoritarianism.</quote> you're pretty clearly more sympathetic to one side</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_Dogg 04/10/18 11:11:02 AM #32:	when you get a bunch of disingenuous people from opposite sides of the same coin, you'll get all of the familiar forms of fuckery all at once. --- What do you stand for? What do you stand against? Where do you draw the line? Figure it out! <cite>Thunder_Dogg posted [p:899400610] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>when you get a bunch of disingenuous people from opposite sides of the same coin, you'll get all of the familiar forms of fuckery all at once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/10/18 11:11:35 AM #33:	being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech Again because this routinely needs spelled out. NO ONE is saying that this is a Constitutional violation of the First Amendment. We're talking about the philosophy and principle of free speech as it pertains to society, civics, civility, and ideology. Print this post out 1000 times. Re-read it one thousand times. Roll the pages up and then fucking beat yourself with it 1000 times until you fucking get it through your head. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899400639] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><quote>being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech</quote> Again because this routinely needs spelled out. NO ONE is saying that this is a Constitutional violation of the First Amendment. We're talking about the philosophy and principle of free speech as it pertains to society, civics, civility, and ideology. Print this post out 1000 times. Re-read it one thousand times. Roll the pages up and then fucking beat yourself with it 1000 times until you fucking get it through your head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/10/18 11:13:15 AM #34:	averagejoel posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... averagejoel posted... St0rmFury posted... I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough. how do leftists misinterpret it? By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas. how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that? Who punches people with so-called 'Nazi haircuts?' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899400708] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I'd say both sides misinterpret it often enough.</quote> how do leftists misinterpret it?</quote> By trying to sue the President for blocking people on twitter. Also, free speech is a philosophy with a spirit behind it, it's not just some mechanical interpretation of the first amendment. Leftists have shown recently to be against the very idea of free speech and marketplace of ideas.</quote> how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? and who has tried to sue Donald Trump for that?</quote> Who punches people with so-called 'Nazi haircuts?'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/10/18 11:13:45 AM #35:	averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899400726] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 04/10/18 11:14:20 AM #36:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:899400758] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 11:15:52 AM #37:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. You didnt destroy anything, addy. --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899400823] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote> You didnt destroy anything, addy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 04/10/18 11:16:28 AM #38:	Infinite 2003 posted... Genocet69 posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left? That was a very quick jump from calling the concept of leftists wanting to remove freedom of speech an "imaginary strawman" to outright supporting it yourself. VectorChaos posted... Genocet69 posted... They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences. The left: Freedom of speech not freedom from social consequences! If you say things we don't like we'll get you fired, doxxed, and generally go out of our way to ruin your life! Also the left when NFL players kneeled: HOW DARE YOU criticize people for exercising their freedom of speech you awful racists/nationalists/whateverists! There should never be consequences! @Genocet69 --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:899400847] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Infinite 2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> How does it feel knowing once the baby boomers all die the country is gonna take a hard shift to the left?</quote> That was a very quick jump from calling the concept of leftists wanting to remove freedom of speech an "imaginary strawman" to outright supporting it yourself.</quote> <cite>VectorChaos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet69 posted...</cite> <quote>They amendment was created so the government couldn't throw you in jail for speaking out against them, not so people were free to say all the racist shit they please with no consequences.</quote> The left: Freedom of speech not freedom from social consequences! If you say things we don't like we'll get you fired, doxxed, and generally go out of our way to ruin your life! Also the left when NFL players kneeled: HOW DARE YOU criticize people for exercising their freedom of speech you awful racists/nationalists/whateverists! There should never be consequences!</quote> @Genocet69</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 04/10/18 11:17:26 AM #39:	The intent of the 1st amendment was indeed to protect freedom of speech against prosecution from the government. But the spirit of the amendment also carries over to the general freedom of saying what you want without fear of physical retaliation or suppression. So while conservatives dont always use the 1st amendment argument 100% correctly, the extreme left wants to silence certain parts of speech in general by enacting laws against them. I also strongly disagree with shutting down approved public speakers at universities. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:899400885] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>The intent of the 1st amendment was indeed to protect freedom of speech against prosecution from the government. But the spirit of the amendment also carries over to the general freedom of saying what you want without fear of physical retaliation or suppression. So while conservatives dont always use the 1st amendment argument 100% correctly, the extreme left wants to silence certain parts of speech in general by enacting laws against them. I also strongly disagree with shutting down approved public speakers at universities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/10/18 11:18:33 AM #40:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. So less than half of a group thinks something. That is supposed to be proof of an entire groups opinion? --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899400953] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> So less than half of a group thinks something. That is supposed to be proof of an entire groups opinion? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 04/10/18 11:18:48 AM #41:	Lol the idiots on the left "it should have consequences", just because someone says something you don't like you think violence is the answer to stop them. That's too extreme and I don't think anybody should be hurt speaking their mind, no matter how ignorant it is or whatnot. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:899400964] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Lol the idiots on the left "it should have consequences", just because someone says something you don't like you think violence is the answer to stop them. That's too extreme and I don't think anybody should be hurt speaking their mind, no matter how ignorant it is or whatnot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 11:19:40 AM #42:	JeanAmpteau posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal. So less than half of a group thinks something. That is supposed to be proof of an entire groups opinion? Extrapolation, strawman, ad hominem, and whataboutism are all the conservatives ever use --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899401000] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeanAmpteau posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>how have leftists shown themselves to be against the idea of free speech?</quote> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/ 40% of millennials (who are a strong majority liberal) support making offensive speech and racial slurs illegal.</quote> So less than half of a group thinks something. That is supposed to be proof of an entire groups opinion? </quote> Extrapolation, strawman, ad hominem, and whataboutism are all the conservatives ever use</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet69 04/10/18 11:20:40 AM #43:	KillerKhan420 posted... Lol the idiots on the left "it should have consequences", just because someone says something you don't like you think violence is the answer to stop them. That's too extreme and I don't think anybody should be hurt speaking their mind, no matter how ignorant it is or whatnot. Who the fuck is advocating violence? In my opinion there should be legal consequences, not violent vigilante justice. Nazis have no place in modern society. --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>Genocet69 posted [p:899401047] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol the idiots on the left "it should have consequences", just because someone says something you don't like you think violence is the answer to stop them. That's too extreme and I don't think anybody should be hurt speaking their mind, no matter how ignorant it is or whatnot.</quote> Who the fuck is advocating violence? In my opinion there should be legal consequences, not violent vigilante justice. Nazis have no place in modern society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/10/18 11:20:48 AM #44:	The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position" --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899401051] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote> All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/10/18 11:22:33 AM #45:	JeanAmpteau posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position" Ah, the old "you said all / not all" fallacy. 40% is far, far more than sufficient to support my argument. I'm sure you're seething at this point and about to break out some MS Paint memes. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899401125] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeanAmpteau posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote> All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position"</quote> Ah, the old "you said all / not all" fallacy. 40% is far, far more than sufficient to support my argument. I'm sure you're seething at this point and about to break out some MS Paint memes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/10/18 11:25:30 AM #46:	Explaining anything to the uneducated conservative is a waste of time. They think antifa can take away your "freedom of speech" by having an alt-right speaker shut down, lol. Trying to explain to them that it is about government censorship is like trying to explain the concept of time to a dog. --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899401257] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>Explaining anything to the uneducated conservative is a waste of time. They think antifa can take away your "freedom of speech" by having an alt-right speaker shut down, lol. Trying to explain to them that it is about government censorship is like trying to explain the concept of time to a dog.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/10/18 11:26:36 AM #47:	I hope I get another paint meme --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899401313] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote>I hope I get another paint meme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/10/18 11:26:50 AM #48:	The Admiral posted... JeanAmpteau posted... The Admiral posted... averagejoel posted... I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response. i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic. All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position" Ah, the old "you said all / not all" fallacy. 40% is far, far more than sufficient to support my argument. I'm sure you're seething at this point and about to break out some MS Paint memes. No, 40% is not a substantial number. And that is only of Millenials, not of all people of the left, so the percentage of total people on the left with this opinion is much lower. You are wrong like always. --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899401327] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JeanAmpteau posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I have addy on ignore and I refuse to legitimize anything he says with a response.</quote> i.e. I ignored him because I could never respond to his posts that destroy my narrative, like in this topic.</quote> All you did in this topic was make a stupid example - "because 40% of Millenials wants slurs to be illegal, it is the left's position"</quote> Ah, the old "you said all / not all" fallacy. 40% is far, far more than sufficient to support my argument. I'm sure you're seething at this point and about to break out some MS Paint memes.</quote> No, 40% is not a substantial number. And that is only of Millenials, not of all people of the left, so the percentage of total people on the left with this opinion is much lower. You are wrong like always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 04/10/18 11:27:52 AM #49:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech Again because this routinely needs spelled out. NO ONE is saying that this is a Constitutional violation of the First Amendment. We're talking about the philosophy and principle of free speech as it pertains to society, civics, civility, and ideology. Print this post out 1000 times. Re-read it one thousand times. Roll the pages up and then fucking beat yourself with it 1000 times until you fucking get it through your head. ok my point still stands the right to speak =/= the right to be heard --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:899401377] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><quote>being denied a speaking gig is not infringing on free speech</quote> Again because this routinely needs spelled out. NO ONE is saying that this is a Constitutional violation of the First Amendment. We're talking about the philosophy and principle of free speech as it pertains to society, civics, civility, and ideology. Print this post out 1000 times. Re-read it one thousand times. Roll the pages up and then fucking beat yourself with it 1000 times until you fucking get it through your head.</quote> ok my point still stands the right to speak =/= the right to be heard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeanAmpteau 04/10/18 11:28:09 AM #50:	Caution999 posted... I hope I get another paint meme Perfectly fitting for you: --- Amp / Cocteau <cite>JeanAmpteau posted [p:899401396] in Conservati... [t:76503271]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>I hope I get another paint meme</quote> Perfectly fitting for you: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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