Poll of the Day > Cancer patients dying too cheaply; Big Pharma triples their bill [CB]

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Lokarin 04/18/18 7:35:39 PM #1:	link is too long, just remove the page breaks ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/18/science-hinted-that -cancer-patients-could-take-less-of-a-148000-a-year-drug-the-company -tripled-the-price-of-a-pill/?utm_term=.8e8e37aecfa8 --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:899899148] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>link is too long, just remove the page breaks ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/18/science-hinted-that -cancer-patients-could-take-less-of-a-148000-a-year-drug-the-company -tripled-the-price-of-a-pill/?utm_term=.8e8e37aecfa8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/22/18 6:01:52 PM #2:	This topic is cancer --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:900117829] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>This topic is cancer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
goldbman 04/22/18 6:02:57 PM #3:	Lokarin posted... This topic is cancer No it is not, it is a fascinating topic and shows how we need to fight big pharma, thanks for posting. <cite>goldbman posted [p:900117905] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is cancer</quote> No it is not, it is a fascinating topic and shows how we need to fight big pharma, thanks for posting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 04/22/18 6:06:27 PM #4:	Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that! It makes total sense that the drug companies can charge us whatever they want for the drugs without interference from that pesky government, while they benefit from the same government's interference in granting lengthy patents to give them a monopoly on it and to spend taxpayer money to go after counterfeiters and generics trying to get around said patents. It makes total sense! If a pharmaceutical company is bribing you... <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:900118092] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that! It makes total sense that the drug companies can charge us whatever they want for the drugs without interference from that pesky government, while they benefit from the same government's interference in granting lengthy patents to give them a monopoly on it and to spend taxpayer money to go after counterfeiters and generics trying to get around said patents. It makes total sense! If a pharmaceutical company is bribing you...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarKnight23 04/22/18 6:32:03 PM #5:	They keep introducing new drugs every year. Of course since those drugs are all brand and not generic $$$$$. Yay capitalism --- Ore wa ore da <cite>StarKnight23 posted [p:900119559] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>They keep introducing new drugs every year. Of course since those drugs are all brand and not generic $$$$$. Yay capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 12:38:19 PM #6:	streamofthesky posted... Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that! In this country, insurance companies and the government (via medicare/aid) negotiate prices, which is exactly why those prices start grossly inflated, so that the price can be "negotiated" down to close to what would have been asked in the first place. If I ask you for a dollar, and you insist that you're only paying 33 cents, you're getting charged three dollars next time. Also we're essentially subsidizing the "negotiated" rates elsewhere. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-u-s-pays-3-times-more-for-drugs/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900157741] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that!</quote> In this country, insurance companies and the government (via medicare/aid) negotiate prices, which is exactly why those prices start grossly inflated, so that the price can be "negotiated" down to close to what would have been asked in the first place. If I ask you for a dollar, and you insist that you're only paying 33 cents, you're getting charged three dollars next time. Also we're essentially subsidizing the "negotiated" rates elsewhere. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-u-s-pays-3-times-more-for-drugs/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 12:43:16 PM #7:	Questionmarktarius posted... streamofthesky posted... Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that! In this country, insurance companies and the government (via medicare/aid) negotiate prices, which is exactly why those prices start grossly inflated, so that the price can be "negotiated" down to close to what would have been asked in the first place. If I ask you for a dollar, and you insist that you're only paying 33 cents, you're getting charged three dollars next time. Also we're essentially subsidizing the "negotiated" rates elsewhere. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-u-s-pays-3-times-more-for-drugs/ That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900157970] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Well, every other Western democracy, the government negotiates drug prices. But that'd be "socialism" (even though most of those countries aren't socialist, and we have our own socialist programs like Medicare, but yeah...) so we can't have that!</quote> In this country, insurance companies and the government (via medicare/aid) negotiate prices, which is exactly why those prices start grossly inflated, so that the price can be "negotiated" down to close to what would have been asked in the first place. If I ask you for a dollar, and you insist that you're only paying 33 cents, you're getting charged three dollars next time. Also we're essentially subsidizing the "negotiated" rates elsewhere. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-u-s-pays-3-times-more-for-drugs/</quote> That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 12:45:40 PM #8:	Kyuubi4269 posted... That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't. Japan has about 3500 small insurance companies, instead of the three or four monolithic giants we have here. We used to have countless small insurers, kinda, about a hundred years ago: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900158106] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't.</quote> Japan has about 3500 small insurance companies, instead of the three or four monolithic giants we have here. We used to have countless small insurers, kinda, about a hundred years ago: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 12:52:49 PM #9:	Questionmarktarius posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't. Japan has about 3500 small insurance companies, instead of the three or four monolithic giants we have here. We used to have countless small insurers, kinda, about a hundred years ago: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html What's your point? The government and insurers negotiate down prices, but because they actually play on the side of the people, the price is actually brought down. In any sensible negotiation you assess the actual value of the product and barter to that, you don't just try to get a discount on whatever nonsense they float your way. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900158502] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>That explains why it's so expensive in Japa- Oh, wait. It isn't.</quote> Japan has about 3500 small insurance companies, instead of the three or four monolithic giants we have here. We used to have countless small insurers, kinda, about a hundred years ago: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html</quote> What's your point? The government and insurers negotiate down prices, but because they actually play on the side of the people, the price is actually brought down. In any sensible negotiation you assess the actual value of the product and barter to that, you don't just try to get a discount on whatever nonsense they float your way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlazeAndBlade 04/23/18 12:53:53 PM #10:	so it's like there saying your money or your life --- Having a goal is good, but don't let your goal depress you. Goals are meant to inspire. <cite>BlazeAndBlade posted [p:900158555] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 12:56:39 PM #11:	BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life With 500 Huscarls. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900158715] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> With 500 Huscarls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 12:58:25 PM #12:	BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900158811] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 1:00:05 PM #13:	Questionmarktarius posted... BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere? --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900158893] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 1:03:28 PM #14:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere? The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900159066] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere?</quote> The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 1:13:06 PM #15:	Questionmarktarius posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere? The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once. Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900159534] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere?</quote> The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once.</quote> Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 1:16:50 PM #16:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere? The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once. Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food. Yes. The chef gets paid, but the people eating it don't assume they have a right to free food. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900159747] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere?</quote> The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once.</quote> Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food.</quote> Yes. The chef gets paid, but the people eating it don't assume they have a right to free food.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/23/18 1:18:09 PM #17:	Questionmarktarius posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... BlazeAndBlade posted... so it's like there saying your money or your life If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any. Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere? The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once. Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food. Yes. The chef gets paid, but the people eating it don't assume they have a right to free food. People assume food on a tray being offered to them is free. If nobody offers then nobody expects but everybody sees cancer charities. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:900159814] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlazeAndBlade posted...</cite> <quote>so it's like there saying your money or your life</quote> If chemo were free, nobody would bother making any.</quote> Lol Do you really believe that when cancer charities are fucking everywhere?</quote> The lab making the drugs does get paid in that case. There's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between extorting individuals one at a time, and extorting everyone all at once.</quote> Don't dick about with semantics. When free trials of food are given out, the chef and promoter are still paid, but we still understand it as free food.</quote> Yes. The chef gets paid, but the people eating it don't assume they have a right to free food.</quote> People assume food on a tray being offered to them is free. If nobody offers then nobody expects but everybody sees cancer charities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 1:21:55 PM #18:	The "fix" would be approval reform, and maybe also patent reform. Drug companies leak money on nay given drug waiting on the FDA to finally clear it for market, all the while eating away at the patent duration while doing so. it shouldn't take upwards of a decade for pencil-pushers to finally decree that a new drug can finally be sold to patients who have probably already died in the interim. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900160028] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>The "fix" would be approval reform, and maybe also patent reform. Drug companies leak money on nay given drug waiting on the FDA to finally clear it for market, all the while eating away at the patent duration while doing so. it shouldn't take upwards of a decade for pencil-pushers to finally decree that a new drug can finally be sold to patients who have probably already died in the interim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacrossSpecial 04/23/18 1:36:04 PM #19:	If you are really looking to be triggered, watch the Valient episode of dirty money on Netflix. Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll <cite>MacrossSpecial posted [p:900160826] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote>If you are really looking to be triggered, watch the Valient episode of dirty money on Netflix. Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/23/18 1:37:26 PM #20:	MacrossSpecial posted... Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris. You seem to assume that the practice is limited to just pharmaceuticals. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900160906] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>MacrossSpecial posted...</cite> <quote>Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris.</quote> You seem to assume that the practice is limited to just pharmaceuticals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacrossSpecial 04/23/18 11:12:35 PM #21:	Questionmarktarius posted... MacrossSpecial posted... Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris. You seem to assume that the practice is limited to just pharmaceuticals. No, it is just one of, if not, the most insidious feats due to the industry. --- ...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets. - RX7Infinitilll <cite>MacrossSpecial posted [p:900194069] in Cancer pat... [t:76529666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MacrossSpecial posted...</cite> <quote>Spoiler: buying the patent for drugs and raising the price 700% is a common practice that is still done to this day. Valient was just the most visible one due to Martin Shekrelli (sp) and his insane hubris.</quote> You seem to assume that the practice is limited to just pharmaceuticals.</quote> No, it is just one of, if not, the most insidious feats due to the industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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