Board 8 > Do you consider this sexual harassment?

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ProfitProphet
04/19/18 2:03:29 AM
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Yes or No - Results (18 votes)
Yes
88.89% (16 votes)
16
No
11.11% (2 votes)
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The is the account of one young woman at Coachella

When I was waiting in line for a sweet potato taco on Sunday, a man poked me in the stomach and asked me if I do pilates. I said no, and then he asked, whats the secret behind that six-pack? and rubbed my bare stomach with his hand.

Sexual harassment or not? Let's see what the people think

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NFUN
04/19/18 2:12:43 AM
#2:


Well...

what is the secret behind that six-pack?
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foolm0r0n
04/19/18 2:19:06 AM
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NFUN posted...
what is the secret behind that six-pack?

a nice little jar of honey
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pjbasis
04/19/18 2:42:55 AM
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Can't even touch a woman's midriff anymore without being called a harasser smh
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KokoroAkechi
04/19/18 2:53:53 AM
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The poking no but the rubbing yes
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LOLIAmAnAlt
04/19/18 2:59:20 AM
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Sure but what if a girl does that to a guy.
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baubeta
04/19/18 3:19:18 AM
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Yes. Dont fucking touch people.
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Grand Kirby
04/19/18 3:24:39 AM
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Hey, we don't know for sure if it was sexual. It could have been just regular run of the mill creepiness.
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Zylothewolf
04/19/18 3:42:29 AM
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No. Creepy but I don't see anything sexual about touching someones belly.
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TVontheRadio
04/19/18 4:19:08 AM
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fucking yes jesus christ
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04/19/18 4:27:35 AM
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Is no one going to comment on Strong Sad the Pooh? I think that picture is going to give me nightmares.
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KingButz
04/19/18 9:14:03 AM
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Are we talking in the legal sense? You might argue that it was sexual assault, but harassment has to be more than a single incident
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Girugamesh
04/19/18 9:56:06 AM
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baubeta posted...
Yes. Dont fucking touch people.

I don't see how this is so hard to understand.
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Underleveled
04/19/18 10:09:05 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
100% yes.

UltimaterializerX posted...
LOLIAmAnAlt posted...
Sure but what if a girl does that to a guy.

Also harassment.

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Gatarix
04/19/18 10:42:10 AM
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Girugamesh posted...
baubeta posted...
Yes. Dont fucking touch people.

I don't see how this is so hard to understand.

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Johnbobb
04/19/18 10:52:29 AM
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ProfitProphet posted...
a sweet potato taco

wait what
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Llarian
04/19/18 11:15:31 AM
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Creepy but not harassment. This is the equivalent of me being carried along to dance with the prep cooks in the back when I was working at a restaurant. Slight confusion and hmmm did that really need to happen but ultimately, shrug. Nbd.
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redrocket
04/19/18 11:34:11 AM
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Gatarix posted...
Girugamesh posted...
baubeta posted...
Yes. Dont fucking touch people.

I don't see how this is so hard to understand.

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SantaRPidgey
04/19/18 12:10:17 PM
#21:


Creepy, definitely. Prb not harassment
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Umbreon
04/19/18 12:22:13 PM
#22:


Yeah that's pretty creepy.

I wouldn't want some random rubbing any part of me without permission.
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Kinglicious
04/19/18 1:01:25 PM
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Creepy, not harassment. Literally can't be if it's a one off thing.
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Underleveled
04/19/18 1:09:51 PM
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Umbreon posted...
I wouldn't want some random rubbing any part of me without permission

This is literally what makes it sexual harassment. If he did it and she laughed it off and didn't think about it ever again, it's not sexual harassment. Still makes him a fucking creep, but not sexual harassment.
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HotDogButts
04/19/18 1:33:37 PM
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Pretty clearly, yes.

That said he was probably just really high and had no idea what was going on.
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HashtagSEP
04/19/18 1:43:24 PM
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I mean, it's not technically sexual harassment because the way it's described, it's an isolated incident.

I don't think that's really the spirit of the question, though. I think the question is asking "Would this type of behavior count as sexual harassment if all other requirements were met" and the answer is yes. If he was repeatedly doing this to somebody, it'd be sexual harassment.
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FakeAccount3000
04/19/18 1:50:38 PM
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You really shouldn't poke someone you don't know to ask if they exercise. That's weird. There are actually very few instances in which poking a stranger is acceptable really, one being "Excuse me, you're standing on my foot".
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Llarian
04/19/18 1:55:09 PM
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If you're not answering the exact question, it becomes "Reimagine this scenario, except happening more often than it did, then judge it on the merit of a frequency that did not occur"?

...which is theoretical good times all around. However, let's avoid a basic misunderstanding of harassment as an ongoing activity.
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Underleveled
04/19/18 1:55:48 PM
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FakeAccount3000 posted...
You really shouldn't poke someone you don't know to ask if they exercise. That's weird. There are actually very few instances in which poking a stranger is acceptable really, one being "Excuse me, you're standing on my foot".

Well I mean, if the question were, "Is this unacceptable behavior," the poll would probably be like 98-1 right now. As it is, it seems like the "no's" are mostly analyzing the technical definition of sexual harassment.
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foolm0r0n
04/19/18 2:01:48 PM
#30:


It's not isolated if there's 2 incident
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HashtagSEP
04/19/18 2:04:24 PM
#31:


Llarian posted...
If you're not answering the exact question, it becomes "Reimagine this scenario, except happening more often than it did, then judge it on the merit of a frequency that did not occur"?

...which is theoretical good times all around. However, let's avoid a basic misunderstanding of harassment as an ongoing activity.


Well, his quote in question is from an article about how over 50 women at Coachella told of situations like this and worse, entitled "Sexual Harassment Was Rampant at Coachella 2018." So while his single example isn't sexual harassment by itself because it's one single example, when you add it to 54 other examples, then yes, it becomes part of "Sexual harassment occurred at Coachella," because these instances regularly occurred.

That's why it's fair to extrapolate a bit and see that his question isn't "Is this solitary action by itself sexual harassment," but moreso "Would this count as part of sexual harassment"

Also, the way his question is phrased suggests this as well, since it's "Do you consider this sexual harassment" and not "Is this legally sexual harassment."
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Llarian
04/19/18 2:30:26 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
while his single example isn't sexual harassment by itself

His single example was the only thing mentioned in the OP. Along with a specific question.

Interpreting something like this outside of the realm of what was presented and asked, isn't something I'm interested in doing. If a specific instance isn't sexual harassment, I'm not going to water it down by saying it is, because other girls experienced worse in the nearby vicinity.

I'm very sorry that this sort of violation of personal space happened at Coachella. I wish it hadn't happened at all, to be honest. But let's maintain our linguistic integrity, please.
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BowserCuffs
04/19/18 2:57:42 PM
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Imagining a woman doing it to me (or even another guy), that's about the point where I would slap their hand away and say "Don't touch me like that again."

If they do it again, that's when things start elevating.

That doesn't really answer the question, though, but that's because I don't know enough about the legal aspect to answer the question.
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foolm0r0n
04/19/18 3:08:04 PM
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Llarian posted...
linguistic integrity

Why are you trying to shut down discussion of a topic everyone understands just because of the words used. THAT is actual anti-intellectualism.
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iiicon
04/19/18 3:20:42 PM
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legal terminology often lags behind the reality people face and in this specific instance can result in some weird rounding up or down of trauma. i would be equally comfortable calling this sexual harassment or an instance of sexual assault that occurred under a climate of wider sexual harassment in a public space. if the woman called this sexual harassment i'm not going to take umbrage with the lack of specificity.

Llarian posted...
Interpreting something like this outside of the realm of what was presented and asked, isn't something I'm interested in doing

this is like the essence of the internet right here
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Tom Bombadil
04/19/18 4:02:48 PM
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I'm not sure what discussion there is to shut down here. Is it a good thing? No. Is it sexual harassment? Technically no according to people who seem to know better than me. We seem to be in agreement on those points so?

Also what does intellectualism have to do with anything
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Punnyz
04/19/18 4:39:34 PM
#38:


You shouldn't fucking touch other people, especially in creepy ways

but um, I don't think thats "sexual" though
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SwiftyDC
04/19/18 5:39:47 PM
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He couldve asked without touching. Mightve gotten a better response from her that would allow him to touch her.
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ZXAdvent_Lucian
04/19/18 5:56:19 PM
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Underleveled posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
100% yes.

UltimaterializerX posted...
LOLIAmAnAlt posted...
Sure but what if a girl does that to a guy.

Also harassment.

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DeepsPraw
04/19/18 6:21:51 PM
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Llarian posted...
His single example was the only thing mentioned in the OP. Along with a specific question.


Ugh, there is literally nothing worse than pedantry

Learn to understand what people mean and don't take everything 100% literally
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lgnis
04/19/18 6:27:57 PM
#42:


Harassment, yes.
Sexual harassment. No
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LeonhartFour
04/19/18 6:40:59 PM
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SwiftyDC posted...
He couldve asked without touching. Mightve gotten a better response from her that would allow him to touch her.


yeah but then it'd be problematic if she says no and then he does it anyway

if you just touch without asking you're in the clear

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StealThisSheen
04/19/18 6:57:06 PM
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Llarian posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
while his single example isn't sexual harassment by itself

His single example was the only thing mentioned in the OP. Along with a specific question.

Interpreting something like this outside of the realm of what was presented and asked, isn't something I'm interested in doing. If a specific instance isn't sexual harassment, I'm not going to water it down by saying it is, because other girls experienced worse in the nearby vicinity.

I'm very sorry that this sort of violation of personal space happened at Coachella. I wish it hadn't happened at all, to be honest. But let's maintain our linguistic integrity, please.


He posted a quote. He presented it as a quote. One is wrong to look up the context the quote comes from? We're supposed to just take every single quote somebody posts without context because they didn't provide any?

No, not really. Being lazy isn't "maintaining linguistic integrity."
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Forceful_Dragon
04/19/18 10:09:29 PM
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I refuse to believe that im the only person in this topic who is terrified beyond reason of that pooh picture.
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