Current Events > Do you agree with Mike Rowe that people don't value work enough?

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And that work gives people a sense of purpose?
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No, he's just a douche
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Unless they have a fun job/career the vast majority of people have never liked work.
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I liked his show but sometimes when he opens his mouth has just comes across as a dope.
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He's very well written though.
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Its ok to be a plumber.

Its ok to want to be more than just a plumber.

People are more than just their jobs.

I think mike is an idiot that thinks he is some kind of expert on sociology because he hosted a show for a while.
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Like, I agree with him that trades need to be presented as a viable option for success and that things have gotten out of control with how the college system works.

But he's a complete tool when he starts saying you should just shut up and take whatever the fuck your bosses dish out at you because "lol at least it's a job!"

He's like the definition of out of touch.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

No, he's just a douche

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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Like, I agree with him that trades need to be presented as a viable option for success and that things have gotten out of control with how the college system works.

But he's a complete tool when he starts saying you should just shut up and take whatever the fuck your bosses dish out at you because "lol at least it's a job!"

He's like the definition of out of touch.

This pretty much.

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
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BuckVanHammer posted...

Its ok to be a plumber.

Its ok to want to be more than just a plumber.

People are more than just their jobs.

I think mike is an idiot that thinks he is some kind of expert on sociology because he hosted a show for a while.

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Mike lives in the real world. He knows a lot of people are looking for a perfect job that doesn't exist. He would like a person to find something that they can learn to love. He's also expressed that if something isn't working then stop it, and take what you've learned with you

He's just got a sincere appreciation for people who do what needs to be done to keep our world moving the way it does. I've seen some of his stuff and it seems he thinks a person gets happiness from sticking to their guns and living accordingly, not your job
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Mike Rowe is fucking awesome.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Mike lives in the real world. He knows a lot of people are looking for a perfect job that doesn't exist. He would like a person to find something that they can learn to love. He's also expressed that if something isn't working then stop it, and take what you've learned with you

He's just got a sincere appreciation for people who do what needs to be done to keep our world moving the way it does. I've seen some of his stuff and it seems he thinks a person gets happiness from sticking to their guns and living accordingly, not your job

This is my take on him also.
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I think most people value hard work quite highly and put it into practice. In fact I think people value it too much and think it has magical qualities. To the point where if someone is not successful by their standards, they must not have worked hard enough or thinking that people are poor because they don't work hard.
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People like him piss me off because they always have me second-guessing myself as an entitled millennial.

Like he seems like the type of person who if you don't take every hour you possibly can you're sitting on your hands. Fuck that, I work so my life outside of work can be enjoyable and without struggle.
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I think it's worth making a distinction ITT between work and employment. Mike Rowe's focus is typically on employment, the work people do for a wage.
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I feel like his point is that the education system doesn't teach kids to value trades. We've basically taught an entire generation of people that blue collar is bad and you should try to get a desk job.
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Mike Rowe is cool and Im not surprised this board hates him.

Ive thought about what the world would be like if no one had to work because robots did everything for us. It would not be a utopia; far from it.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Mike Rowe is cool and Im not surprised this board hates him.

Nah, it's just the left that hates him. Lefties always looking for a handout with minimal effort.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I feel like his point is that the education system doesn't teach kids to value trades. We've basically taught an entire generation of people that blue collar is bad and you should try to get a desk job.

I think the difficulty there is blue collar often equates to "jobs that don't use your intellect".

If you could convince people that labor-intensive work can also require higher education and real knowledge, then you'd probably see an increase in that market. As it is the only jobs that suggest you stretch yourself and gain more knowledge end with you working behind a desk.
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Yes, and I love how his common-sense advice that would benefit anyone in the workplace is so triggering to a lot of people here.
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The Admiral posted...

Yes, and I love how his common-sense advice that would benefit anyone in the workplace is so triggering to a lot of people here.

Does no one read my complaint?

If people like that would specifically target the people who get under their skin then I'd feel better because at least I wouldn't feel like I was being lumped in with it.

As it is I feel like anyone saying this stuff has a problem with everyone my age. As if anyone born in the late 80s and early 90s has no sense of work ethic. Bugs the shit out of me. It's like forcing guilt.
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Mike Rowe is a millionaire celebrity telling poor people to be happy with their jobs. Fuck him
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Mike Rowe is a millionaire celebrity telling poor people to be happy with their jobs. Fuck him

To be fair, he also made a lot of his fame by literally doing things no one else normally would want to. If anyone can see the value in that kind of work, it'd be him since he's seen so much of it.
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Solid Sonic posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Mike Rowe is a millionaire celebrity telling poor people to be happy with their jobs. Fuck him

To be fair, he also made a lot of his fame by literally doing things no one else normally would want to. If anyone can see the value in that kind of work, it'd be him since he's seen so much of it.

He played at those jobs, he did it for a day and went back to his hotel.

The reason hard jobs are hard is knowing you have to get up and do it every day or your kids dont eat. Every day, year after year, even if youre injured or sick.

He has no idea what thats like.
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He has a point though. Its a shame that society has deemed the plumbers, carpenters, mechanics, any blue collar job, etc; of the world as losers.

If you get into fields like these its pretty much common opinion that youre too stupid to do anything else and you get zero respect for your job even though its of vast importance to society.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

He played at those jobs, he did it for a day and went back to his hotel.

Doesn't matter, he still did it for one day. He's as icked out or exhausted as anyone would be at the end of the day. He got to experience the daily rigor of that job for one day. It's more than most of could say. We just look at it and wonder how anyone would ever do that for a living but he actually went out and experienced it.

I get where he's coming from. I can see things from his point of view but I think he's being too blanket-statement about what people are and aren't willing to do for money. He's talking like an old man who grew up working on a farm and walking 5 miles uphill in both directions through snowstorms to get to town. Some of us grew up in the suburbs, went to public school, and came from white-collar parents who were fair and loving. Sorry if that breeds "bad work ethic" but maybe those metrics have shifted too, ever think of that?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Solid Sonic posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Mike Rowe is a millionaire celebrity telling poor people to be happy with their jobs. Fuck him

To be fair, he also made a lot of his fame by literally doing things no one else normally would want to. If anyone can see the value in that kind of work, it'd be him since he's seen so much of it.

He played at those jobs, he did it for a day and went back to his hotel.

The reason hard jobs are hard is knowing you have to get up and do it every day or your kids dont eat. Every day, year after year, even if youre injured or sick.

He has no idea what thats like.

You totally miss the point that he makes in half the shows. Most of the people that do those jobs actually enjoy it, give it be the people, actual work, or the sense that they're making a difference. A lot of those jobs actually pay decent to rather well

Now bring a cashier for a living would be way harder, I agree
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It's always illuminating when an objectively constructive and positive philosophy for life triggers the hell out of so many leftists.

I typically like Rowe, but on this point...I feel our society values work too much.

People often sacrifice their health to maintain a living and work consumes them as they try to just survive.

Tack on our societal attitude that if you're not spending your day at work, you're a lazy sack of shit, even if it might be a day off after 3 weeks straight of shifts.
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Solid Sonic posted...

Doesn't matter, he still did it for one day. He's as icked out or exhausted as anyone would be at the end of the day. He got to experience the daily rigor of that job for one day. It's more than most of could say. We just look at it and wonder how anyone would ever do that for a living but he actually went out and experienced it.

But it's still not even close to comparable. Working a job one day, with the knowledge that you'll go home to your millions and won't have to deal with that job ever again is one day.

But what about the people that actually have to stay there long-term? Deal with the same shitty bosses every single day, putting repetitious physical strain on their body for 40 hours every single week? Living paycheck to paycheck, but ultimately having to stick by your shitty job because otherwise the bills aren't getting paid.

I had to clean shit from a toilet at my previous job. Doesn't mean I know what it's like to be a janitor.
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gamer167 posted...

He has a point though. Its a shame that society has deemed the plumbers, carpenters, mechanics, any blue collar job, etc; of the world as losers.

If you get into fields like these its pretty much common opinion that youre too stupid to do anything else and you get zero respect for your job even though its of vast importance to society.

This, At my first job the smartest kids I worked with actually went into trades after highschool. Wish I had smart enough sense at that time.

pretty much everything he says is right
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I think that he talks in blanket statements and attacks strawmen. He'd make a great politician.
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Lunar_Savage posted...

I typically like Rowe, but on this point...I feel our society values work too much.

People often sacrifice their health to maintain a living and work consumes them as they try to just survive.

Tack on our societal attitude that if you're not spending your day at work, you're a lazy sack of shit, even if it might be a day off after 3 weeks straight of shifts.

Yeah, that's an American thing for sure. If we had more efficient use of our tax money, we could probably adopt the 32-36 hour work week. That'd be sweet. Our healthcare system is just bad. We got the best of the best...but it'll bankrupt anyone that's not earning the best of the best.

Also looking at some universal base income stuff, while I dont like it initially, does seem to have its benefits. The last thing I heard was even though you'll be paying more at the start, you'll end up paying less for other services that in the end will make everyone keep more money. That's only been on a small scale though
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The problem with trades is they are dying. With business based jobs you have loads of transferable skills, or so it is perceived, whereas we need fewer and fewer plumbers and the ones left by the wayside are screwed. Thats ignoring the lack of room for progression.

in response to the topic title, no. it's great if you find work great and purposeful, but not everyone does and no one should have to. obviously try and find something you enjoy or can do day-after-day, but there are many ways to find purpose
if I were suddenly given enough money to live the rest of my life without working, I would quit my job and do many things that give me purpose
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I do and he had the work history, ethic, and shows to prove it.

People who nay say are lazy scum
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No.

Everywhere I got I see people either looking for work or looking for more fullfilling work,

Anyone who thinks the problems in society are people don't value work has it wrong, there just isn't enough
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We work to live, not the other way around. While I appreciate him highlighting that there are important jobs to be done, if you derive self-worth solely from your job then you're doing it wrong. If we want to promote such jobs, we should be paying them more, but instead society glorifies bankers and executives.

It may seem backwards, but implementing UBI would actually help with this problem. Then if such jobs are paid too poorly, people can refuse to work them until the pay actually reaches the rate that people would be willing to do them at. This would be the true free market approach, but unfortunately when the term "free market" is slung around, it's only to the benefit of the elites to use it to exploit people.
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Solid Sonic posted...

The Admiral posted...

Yes, and I love how his common-sense advice that would benefit anyone in the workplace is so triggering to a lot of people here.

Does no one read my complaint?

If people like that would specifically target the people who get under their skin then I'd feel better because at least I wouldn't feel like I was being lumped in with it.

As it is I feel like anyone saying this stuff has a problem with everyone my age. As if anyone born in the late 80s and early 90s has no sense of work ethic. Bugs the shit out of me. It's like forcing guilt.

Sonic it is time for you to get a job and work hard.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Lunar_Savage posted...

I typically like Rowe, but on this point...I feel our society values work too much.

People often sacrifice their health to maintain a living and work consumes them as they try to just survive.

Tack on our societal attitude that if you're not spending your day at work, you're a lazy sack of shit, even if it might be a day off after 3 weeks straight of shifts.

Yeah, that's an American thing for sure. If we had more efficient use of our tax money, we could probably adopt the 32-36 hour work week. That'd be sweet. Our healthcare system is just bad. We got the best of the best...but it'll bankrupt anyone that's not earning the best of the best.

Also looking at some universal base income stuff, while I dont like it initially, does seem to have its benefits. The last thing I heard was even though you'll be paying more at the start, you'll end up paying less for other services that in the end will make everyone keep more money. That's only been on a small scale though

Definitely an American problem. Other countries are trying to look out for the base line workers (albeit not always perfectly), but us? We can't even be convinced to give a damn.
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I feel like he would be okay with America striving for Japan's work ethic which is super toxic and unhealthy. We already spend 1/3rd of our lives at work. We should at least enjoy what we do. Trades are super useful, but I'm gonna have 0 satisfaction fixing cars, or be a carpenter. I would hate 33% of my life if I did those types of jobs. I would rather go into debt and being unable to afford super luxurious things if it means I'm waking up excited to go to work. Which luckily I am.
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you have to balance work and play. I mean sometimes you just have to suck it up and do your job, but you shouldn't be expected to go out of your way for requests that aren't reasonable

He has a point. I just know when I am not working I go kinda insane and get really depressed. Might just be my personality type though, but I just feel guilty when I don't work and its hard to really convince myself I deserve anything or even just have fun.
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ShotOJameson posted...

He has a point. I just know when I am not working I go kinda insane. Might just be my personality type though, but I just feel guilty when I don't work and its hard to really convince myself I deserve anything or even just have fun.

Finally, someone ITT understands that different people experience things differently.
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