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thelovefist
04/23/18 5:15:45 AM
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This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing
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Sphyx
04/23/18 5:19:19 AM
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Some of the worst people in the world like having a universal pariah to kick, and they don't like having that pariah taken from them.
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CartmanMustDie
04/23/18 5:28:12 AM
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Crepes posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Crepes posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Crepes posted...
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Crepes posted...


Is mirdering someone considered an illness?

No, because that's an action. Actions can't be an illness, only potential signs of one.


So why should it be considered an illness then?

Pedophilia is not an action.


Ok. Doesnt answer my question. I dont get why its an illness.

I'm sorry, I assumed that when you responded to the comment chain that you weren't changing the context.

We typically consider things mental illnesses if the mental issue in question causes or has the potential to cause notable harm to the individual themselves, to society, or to their ability to function within it.

Would pedophilia not fall under that?


I dont know. Used to be loads of things that were considered mental illnesses that arent anymore. I suppose Im curious what the treatment is then? If all of a sudden liking red headed women was considered a mental illness what would the treatment be? I imagine it would be the same as trying to treat a paedophile right?


It's written in the article.
And here's another one. https://www.economist.com/news/international/21704795-understanding-sexual-attraction-children-essential-if-they-are-be-kept
You'll notice there isn't a single intelligent and professional source that advocates for knee jerk vengeance and vitriol when dealing with paedophiles.
In fact, here's something that's interesting, Germany actually treats paedophiles as victims instead of offenders and surprise surprise they have some of the lowest crime and recidivism rates in the world.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/in-germany-they-treat-paedophiles-as-victims-not-offenders-10387468.html
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SilkPanties
04/23/18 5:32:15 AM
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 10:32:53 AM
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thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 11:12:26 AM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.

There are two types of pedophiles in my opinion - Those that have offended and those that will offend.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 1:19:11 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.

There are two types of pedophiles in my opinion - Those that have offended and those that will offend.

Youre being extremely apprehensive over nothing more than an attraction.

All Herero men like women. Does that mean every single one of them will rape at one point?

Believe it or not, theres a thing called self-control and being 100% self aware.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 1:23:01 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.

There are two types of pedophiles in my opinion - Those that have offended and those that will offend.

Youre being extremely apprehensive over nothing more than an attraction.

All Herero men like women. Does that mean every single one of them will rape at one point?

Believe it or not, theres a thing called self-control and being 100% self aware.

Women are capable of consent.
A child is not.

There are legitinate many sources or porn for a heterosexual male.
There is only child porn for a pedophile.

Your argument is invalid as such.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 1:28:56 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.

There are two types of pedophiles in my opinion - Those that have offended and those that will offend.

Youre being extremely apprehensive over nothing more than an attraction.

All Herero men like women. Does that mean every single one of them will rape at one point?

Believe it or not, theres a thing called self-control and being 100% self aware.

Women are capable of consent.
A child is not.

There are legitinate many sources or porn for a heterosexual male.
There is only child porn for a pedophile.

Your argument is invalid as such.

Whether they consent or not is besides the point. Rape is rape. In both scenarios, the victim is weak and vulnerable and most certainly didnt consent to sex.

And like Ive mentioned previously, not all pedophiles are exclusively attracted to children. If they need to relieve some sexual tension, they can resort to legal porn instead.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 1:41:32 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
This downplaying or normalizing of pedophiles is quite disturbing

Its an attraction, nothing more.

What you should be condemning is the act itself. Vent against those that have actually harmed or molested a child.

There are two types of pedophiles in my opinion - Those that have offended and those that will offend.

Youre being extremely apprehensive over nothing more than an attraction.

All Herero men like women. Does that mean every single one of them will rape at one point?

Believe it or not, theres a thing called self-control and being 100% self aware.

Women are capable of consent.
A child is not.

There are legitinate many sources or porn for a heterosexual male.
There is only child porn for a pedophile.

Your argument is invalid as such.

Whether they consent or not is besides the point. Rape is rape.

Consent is at the core of what makes a pedophile what they are. Specifically that a child cannot provide consent. Why are you hand waving this away?
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tiornys
04/23/18 2:08:44 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Consent is at the core of what makes a pedophile what they are. Specifically that a child cannot provide consent. Why are you hand waving this away?

You're essentially claiming that it is impossible to manage unwanted sexual feelings. That claim is patently absurd, regardless of whether you're looking within the context of pedophilia or not.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 2:23:25 PM
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Th3Truth posted...
tiornys posted...
thelovefist posted...
Consent is at the core of what makes a pedophile what they are. Specifically that a child cannot provide consent. Why are you hand waving this away?

You're essentially claiming that it is impossible to manage unwanted sexual feelings. That claim is patently absurd, regardless of whether you're looking within the context of pedophilia or not.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76532153?page=1
He's trolling. Like Darkrobotisback he ignores all research to the contrary and relies on nothing but his own made up theories. They might be the same people actually.

I am trolling because I have contempt for pedophiles?
Yeah ok...
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thelovefist
04/23/18 2:37:19 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 6:18:46 PM
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I noticed it's always the same arguments against pedophilia in threads such as this one. Arguing on behalf of one's sentiments rather than logic.

"It's disgusting!!!!"

"You shouldn't be attractive to little kids!!!"

"You shouldn't fuck kids" and "kids can't legally consent!" are among the dumbest ones because we're solely discussing the attraction, not the act itself which is a whole different ballgame.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 6:20:37 PM
#274:


Volkswagen_Bros posted...
"You shouldn't fuck kids" and "kids can't legally consent!" are among the dumbest ones

Please explain why it is 'dumb' to say that children cannot consent.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 6:25:26 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
"You shouldn't fuck kids" and "kids can't legally consent!" are among the dumbest ones

Please explain why it is 'dumb' to say that children cannot consent.

When people bring up how children are unable to legally consent to sex, that's already implying physical sexual intercourse between both parties.

Why else would someone bring that up unless someone already tried their hand at statutory rape? We're discussing thought crimes here, not actual crimes committed.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 6:28:41 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
"You shouldn't fuck kids" and "kids can't legally consent!" are among the dumbest ones

Please explain why it is 'dumb' to say that children cannot consent.

When people bring up how children are unable to legally consent to sex, that's already implying physical sexual intercourse between both parties.

Why else would someone bring that up unless someone already tried their hand at statutory rape? We're discussing thought crimes here, not actual crimes committed.

Because, again, there are two types of pedophiles in the world - those that have offended and those that will offend. I am not saying all will molest a child, but all will eventually consume CP at least.
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Darmik
04/23/18 6:29:06 PM
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This topic seems to prove the articles point.

If someone has harmful thoughts, attractions or feelings there should be an avenue for help for them to go down. Demonizing people who are looking for help and haven't done anything isn't a solution. This goes for any sort of dangerous mental illness.

It's gross and makes people uncomfortable but if it stops people being hurt down the line it's worth providing help to people who need it.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 6:36:14 PM
#278:


thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
"You shouldn't fuck kids" and "kids can't legally consent!" are among the dumbest ones

Please explain why it is 'dumb' to say that children cannot consent.

When people bring up how children are unable to legally consent to sex, that's already implying physical sexual intercourse between both parties.

Why else would someone bring that up unless someone already tried their hand at statutory rape? We're discussing thought crimes here, not actual crimes committed.

Because, again, there are two types of pedophiles in the world - those that have offended and those that will offend. I am not saying all will molest a child, but all will eventually consume CP at least.

A child molester is a pedophile, but not all pedophiles are child molesters. Some will even say that a pedophile who hasn't harmed a child, but has viewed CP is already a criminal in the eye of the law. I wouldn't classify watching CP the same as producing and distributing it. Those should carry stricter penalties.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 6:40:25 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Some will even say that a pedophile who hasn't harmed a child, but has viewed CP is already a criminal in the eye of the law


Well it is illegal and rightfully so. I don't know what the fuck you're on about here.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 6:48:29 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Some will even say that a pedophile who hasn't harmed a child, but has viewed CP is already a criminal in the eye of the law


Well it is illegal and rightfully so. I don't know what the fuck you're on about here.

I'd say anyone moronic enough to upload or save those images and videos on their computer deserves to be prosecuted.

So is this more about "ewww, they watch CP!" and less about "ewww, they like little girls!" because CP isn't the only gateway they can use.
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CartmanMustDie
04/23/18 6:51:42 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Because, again, there are two types of pedophiles in the world - those that have offended and those that will offend. I am not saying all will molest a child, but all will eventually consume CP at least.

Citation needed
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 7:00:45 PM
#282:


I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?
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tiornys
04/23/18 7:00:56 PM
#283:


Darmik posted...
This topic seems to prove the articles point.

If someone has harmful thoughts, attractions or feelings there should be an avenue for help for them to go down. Demonizing people who are looking for help and haven't done anything isn't a solution. This goes for any sort of dangerous mental illness.

It's gross and makes people uncomfortable but if it stops people being hurt down the line it's worth providing help to people who need it.

Yup.

CartmanMustDie posted...
thelovefist posted...
Because, again, there are two types of pedophiles in the world - those that have offended and those that will offend. I am not saying all will molest a child, but all will eventually consume CP at least.

Citation needed

Pretty sure the citation is "emotional bias".
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TheCurseX2
04/23/18 7:01:07 PM
#284:


Burgess posted...
Jesus fucking Christ, Cracked. What the hell is your problem.

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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 8:33:49 PM
#285:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Burgess posted...
Jesus fucking Christ, Cracked. What the hell is your problem.

Yea. How dare they bring awareness about an issue most would rather not talk about because of how "icky" it is.
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Dragonblade01
04/23/18 8:53:24 PM
#286:


Volkswagen_Bros posted...
I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?

If pedophilia is a mental illness, having other things that aren't classified as mental illness wouldn't change that.
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thelovefist
04/23/18 8:57:41 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?

I think you're continuously diluting the issue.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 10:00:25 PM
#288:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?

If pedophilia is a mental illness, having other things that aren't classified as mental illness wouldn't change that.

So a person can be a functional member of society and pursue women of legal age, but because of that one attraction, he'd still be considered a mentally ill individual in the eyes of society?

If sexual attraction to kids is considered a mental abnormality (I hate to bring this up) but then what does that make being attracted to the same sex? Both go against normal brain function, don't they? Keep in mind, I'm referring strictly to attraction, not sex itself, so consent laws are irrelevant.
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Funbazooka
04/23/18 10:03:03 PM
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Every now and then the far left attempts to normalize pedophilia through shitty articles. Cracked.com not the only one
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Dragonblade01
04/23/18 10:20:37 PM
#290:


Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?

If pedophilia is a mental illness, having other things that aren't classified as mental illness wouldn't change that.

So a person can be a functional member of society and pursue women of legal age, but because of that one attraction, he'd still be considered a mentally ill individual in the eyes of society?

If sexual attraction to kids is considered a mental abnormality (I hate to bring this up) but then what does that make being attracted to the same sex? Both go against normal brain function, don't they? Keep in mind, I'm referring strictly to attraction, not sex itself, so consent laws are irrelevant.

It's important to remember that there was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not because it necessarily impacted someone's ability to function in society, but because it was considered something that was primarily harmful. The moment we stopped considering it primarily harmful, it ceased to be a mental illness.

Pedophilia could be considered a mental illness because of the potential risk this product of their brain presents to members (notably, vulnerable members) of society.

I also want to point out that by calling something a mental illness, I mean that I think they should get the help they need, not that I think they're freaks who should be shunned from society.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 10:31:44 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Pedophilia could be considered a mental illness because of the potential risk this product of their brain presents to members (notably, vulnerable members) of society.

Testosterone is naturally produced by the body and too much of it can lead to aggression and sexual deviancy. This kind of mental being is also a threat to vulnerable members of society, isn't it? Point being, just because you're a pedophile doesn't imply you will act on those urges, especially if you're a non-exclusive.

Dragonblade01 posted...
I also want to point out that by calling something a mental illness, I mean that I think they should get the help they need, not that I think they're freaks who should be shunned from society.

It's a futile attempt at combating the issue. You can't completely erase sexual attraction or repress it.
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Dragonblade01
04/23/18 10:55:18 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Pedophilia could be considered a mental illness because of the potential risk this product of their brain presents to members (notably, vulnerable members) of society.

Testosterone is naturally produced by the body and too much of it can lead to aggression and sexual deviancy. This kind of mental being is also a threat to vulnerable members of society, isn't it? Point being, just because you're a pedophile doesn't imply you will act on those urges, especially if you're a non-exclusive.

Testosterone is a necessary and useful hormone. And we don't typically consider it a good thing to have too much of it either. There is no benefit gained from pedophilia, only potential risk.

It's a futile attempt at combating the issue. You can't completely erase sexual attraction or repress it.

Arguable, especially as our understanding of the brain grows. At the very least, the feelings are absolutely manageable, which is the main point.
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TheCurseX2
04/23/18 10:56:04 PM
#293:


Volkswagen_Bros posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...
Burgess posted...
Jesus fucking Christ, Cracked. What the hell is your problem.

Yea. How dare they bring awareness about an issue most would rather not talk about because of how "icky" it is.


This isn't awareness, this is straight up sympathy for a predatory illness that targets the most vulnerable and naive among us for sickening exploitation.

Pedophiles deserve nothing but a fist to the mouth.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/23/18 11:10:50 PM
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TheCurseX2 posted...
This isn't awareness, this is straight up sympathy for a predatory illness that targets the most vulnerable and naive among us for sickening exploitation.

Pedophiles aren't the only ones considered a menace to society, yet, it's the only mental illness deemed inherently evil? I'd be more wary of potential serial killers with a history of mental illness and psychological behaviour.

TheCurseX2 posted...
Pedophiles deserve nothing but a fist to the mouth.

Go ahead. Punch a pedophile right in the face and see how well that works out for you. You're acting on pure emotion by doing so.
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Dragonblade01
04/23/18 11:21:14 PM
#295:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Pedophiles deserve nothing but a fist to the mouth.

You are part of the problem.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/24/18 12:31:34 AM
#296:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Arguable, especially as our understanding of the brain grows. At the very least, the feelings are absolutely manageable, which is the main point.

What feelings exactly? The urge to look up underage girls online? Sure, that can be manageable under self-control and willpower, but the attraction itself is never going to go away and neither are those sexual thoughts.
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Dragonblade01
04/24/18 12:40:26 AM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Arguable, especially as our understanding of the brain grows. At the very least, the feelings are absolutely manageable, which is the main point.

What feelings exactly? The urge to look up underage girls online? Sure, that can be manageable under self-control and willpower, but the attraction itself is never going to go away and neither are those sexual thoughts.

Thoughts are fine, and I don't have much of a problem with depictions in pornagraphy so long as no actual minors are involved. As long as acting upon those urges towards real minors is reliably avoided through management of their feelings, that's enough.

Also, we may very well reach a point in the not too far off future where we can control attraction.
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CartmanMustDie
04/24/18 1:36:49 AM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
I wonder what this board's consensus on non-exclusive pedophiles is.

Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they have other legal outlets of porn they can use. Unlike exclusive pedophiles, they pursue women their own age.

Would you still classify them as mentally ill individuals simply because of one minor attraction? Or does it start becoming more a fetish at that point?

If pedophilia is a mental illness, having other things that aren't classified as mental illness wouldn't change that.

So a person can be a functional member of society and pursue women of legal age, but because of that one attraction, he'd still be considered a mentally ill individual in the eyes of society?

If sexual attraction to kids is considered a mental abnormality (I hate to bring this up) but then what does that make being attracted to the same sex? Both go against normal brain function, don't they? Keep in mind, I'm referring strictly to attraction, not sex itself, so consent laws are irrelevant.


Pedophilia is inherently a dangerous, harmful and unhealthy condition no matter if they have other attractions too. Even if you the smallest of bipolar disorder or you only hear voices once a year that's still a mental disorder. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it since it's none of those things.
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thelovefist
04/24/18 7:29:41 AM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
If sexual attraction to kids is considered a mental abnormality (I hate to bring this up) but then what does that make being attracted to the same sex? Both go against normal brain function, don't they? Keep in mind, I'm referring strictly to attraction, not sex itself, so consent laws are irrelevant.


Children cannot consent. Stop being disingenuous about this fact...
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ShinigamiSoul
04/24/18 4:22:45 PM
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SilkPanties posted...
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/24/18 6:29:28 PM
#301:


CartmanMustDie posted...
Pedophilia is inherently a dangerous, harmful and unhealthy condition no matter if they have other attractions too. Even if you the smallest of bipolar disorder or you only hear voices once a year that's still a mental disorder. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it since it's none of those things.

An interesting take on the definition of pedophilia.

From Wiki
Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

From Merriam-Webster
sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object; specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child


So if a non-exclusive is sexually attracted to females of all ages, but doesn't necessarily have a preference for underage girls (then again, he's out of luck because underage girls can't legally consent or be considered a legal woman), then they wouldn't be considered mentally ill on the pedophilia spectrum.

But according to the Webster's definition, it doesn't matter if you like adult women, having sexual thoughts about kids still considers you mentally ill.

thelovefist posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
If sexual attraction to kids is considered a mental abnormality (I hate to bring this up) but then what does that make being attracted to the same sex? Both go against normal brain function, don't they? Keep in mind, I'm referring strictly to attraction, not sex itself, so consent laws are irrelevant.


Children cannot consent. Stop being disingenuous about this fact...


There goes Brother lovefist, bringing up irrelevant consent laws again.
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C_Pain
04/24/18 7:21:09 PM
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imagine being so triggered at the mention of pedophile you have to rage in this topic
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Maki
04/24/18 7:37:53 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
irrelevant consent laws

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Dragonblade01
04/24/18 7:47:26 PM
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
CartmanMustDie posted...
Pedophilia is inherently a dangerous, harmful and unhealthy condition no matter if they have other attractions too. Even if you the smallest of bipolar disorder or you only hear voices once a year that's still a mental disorder. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it since it's none of those things.

An interesting take on the definition of pedophilia.

From Wiki
Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

From Merriam-Webster
sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object; specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child


So if a non-exclusive is sexually attracted to females of all ages, but doesn't necessarily have a preference for underage girls (then again, he's out of luck because underage girls can't legally consent or be considered a legal woman), then they wouldn't be considered mentally ill on the pedophilia spectrum.

But according to the Webster's definition, it doesn't matter if you like adult women, having sexual thoughts about kids still considers you mentally ill.


Let's assume for a moment that it doesn't matter whether or not pedophilia is a mental illness/disorder/whatever.

What do you think society's response to pedophilia should be?
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