Current Events > Should law enforcement be allowed to use DNA from sites like ancestry.com

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What do you think?
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This is how they caught the Golden State Killer. A relative uploaded their DNA to a site like ancestry, and law enforcement sent their DNA to the company and got a partial match on a family member. They used the family tree to identify individuals that fit the age and area. Then they took a soda can or something from his trash to confirm the match.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209913514.html

Sacramento investigators tracked down East Area Rapist suspect Joseph James DeAngelo using genealogical websites that contained genetic information from a relative, the Sacramento County District Attorney's Office confirmed Thursday.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209913514.html#storylink=cpy

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sure
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Literally just dont murder someone and this doesnt apply to you.
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ben1741 posted...

Literally just dont murder someone and this doesnt apply to you.

Thats easy to say, but this is a very slippery slope here imo
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solosnake posted...

This is how they caught the Golden State Killer. A relative uploaded their DNA to a site like ancestry, and law enforcement sent their DNA to the company and got a partial match on a family member. They used the family tree to identify individuals that fit the age and area. Then they took a soda can or something from his trash to confirm the match.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209913514.html

Sacramento investigators tracked down East Area Rapist suspect Joseph James DeAngelo using genealogical websites that contained genetic information from a relative, the Sacramento County District Attorney's Office confirmed Thursday.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article209913514.html#storylink=cpy

damn, that's crazy.

the future is now.
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Sure, but get a warrant.
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dirtycommunist posted...

Sure, but get a warrant.

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Eh
No
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dirtycommunist posted...

Sure, but get a warrant.

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Its some form of irony that this happens on national DNA day.

I predict within our lifetimes the entire populace will be required to have their DNA logged into the database at birth
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Nomadic View posted...

dirtycommunist posted...

Sure, but get a warrant.

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bump
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solosnake posted...

Its some form of irony that this happens on national DNA day.

I predict within our lifetimes the entire populace will be required to have their DNA logged into the database at birth

and that wouldn't be a bad thing

Those sites literally have a thing you sign that says "Hey, we collaborate with the police are you ok sharing your DNA?"
And if you say no they deny your application.
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https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/28ECFFC5-16F9-44FF-9157-42023EFBB926
Yes

i dont care about "dna privacy", but sites like ancestry.com have no way to confirm how accurate they are so thats why they shouldnt use it
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I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.
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no. too much power, too little privacy.
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gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Yeah we are losing the right to kill many people anonymously and get away with it. What a horrible thing >_>

No, because those sites are not 100% reliable and are not 100% secure. The sites should also not be compelled to co-operate. I also don't like them gaining access to personal information of third parties. However, if everyone involved agrees, I can understand them using it to come up with leads. Nothing should be used in court, however, since there is zero chain of custody.

Fam_Fam posted...

solosnake posted...

Its some form of irony that this happens on national DNA day.

I predict within our lifetimes the entire populace will be required to have their DNA logged into the database at birth

and that wouldn't be a bad thing

Fuck freedom and privacy right? Might as well chip everyone so they know where we are and what we are doing at all times.
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I find this disturbing
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ImmortalityV posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Yeah we are losing the right to kill many people anonymously and get away with it. What a horrible thing >_>

There's so many other implications beyond this

"Why yes, we have DNA and so we've determined the suspect is from this family. Let's limit the search down to the 18-30 year old men." Factor in other profiling issues and basically? It's liable to get a lot of innocent people unrelated to crimes killed or arrested because of things they didn't do.
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No.

Most of the kids here don't know they have to distrust the government yet. But the older CEmen, who've been out there, they know.

We know.
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sure. Cops can contact 3rd parties for info without a warrant. If ancestry wants to hand over your info, you probably signed something that says they can anyway.
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What do you think was the real reason those companies were created? They were created so they could get a DNA database for everyone.
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gunplagirl posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Yeah we are losing the right to kill many people anonymously and get away with it. What a horrible thing >_>

There's so many other implications beyond this

"Why yes, we have DNA and so we've determined the suspect is from this family. Let's limit the search down to the 18-30 year old men." Factor in other profiling issues and basically? It's liable to get a lot of innocent people unrelated to crimes killed or arrested because of things they didn't do.

You mean how they arrested half of the Golden State Killer's family and killed the other half?
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solosnake posted...

ben1741 posted...

Literally just dont murder someone and this doesnt apply to you.

Thats easy to say, but this is a very slippery slope here imo

These, pretty much. I mean, some people honestly don't think government snooping is a big deal in certain cases...At the same time, they can start pushing things further and further..

There was one in England where they got some guys prints from a fucking picture. Not like from holding the physical picture, but from looking at his fingers within the picture...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5623187/Police-track-drug-dealer-figuring-fingerprint-WhatsApp-PHOTO-hand.html

solosnake posted...

Its some form of irony that this happens on national DNA day.

I predict within our lifetimes the entire populace will be required to have their DNA logged into the database at birth

Lol forget the slippery slope, you just jumped straight off it
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Foppe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Yeah we are losing the right to kill many people anonymously and get away with it. What a horrible thing >_>

There's so many other implications beyond this

"Why yes, we have DNA and so we've determined the suspect is from this family. Let's limit the search down to the 18-30 year old men." Factor in other profiling issues and basically? It's liable to get a lot of innocent people unrelated to crimes killed or arrested because of things they didn't do.

You mean how they arrested half of the Golden State Killer's family and killed the other half?

Being intentionally obtuse only reflects badly upon yourself
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Let's just expand it to a less narrow idea - what rights should be in place regarding DNA?

It's a part of you, but does that fall into the category of ownership? Can you own the color of your eyes? Or your ancestry?

Seems like it shouldn't fall into that category but something else.
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If they used the service in accordance with the site's regular rules, in other words not via warrant or special access, then it's not really as big a deal. I would be ok with that, at least in this instance. This would be something that anyone could do and correlate the info anyway.

I wouldn't agree if they gained special access to the info beyond what a normal person would have been able to piece together and correlate themselves, at least not without a warrant. Whether warrants should allow for such searches would be the real root of the issue, IMO.
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LinksLiege posted...

Let's just expand it to a less narrow idea - what rights should be in place regarding DNA?

It's a part of you, but does that fall into the category of ownership? Can you own the color of your eyes? Or your ancestry?

Seems like it shouldn't fall into that category but something else.

That's not even the main issue, though. The issue is that none of the samples have any sort of chain of custody. We don't know whether they have been tampered with or altered in any way. They've passed through the hands of at least 20 different people who the police have absolutely no way of identifying.

ImmortalityV posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Yeah we are losing the right to kill many people anonymously and get away with it. What a horrible thing >_>

It's ruined my plans for the weekend.
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There's nothing wrong with using the DNA, to get suspects, but it shouldn't be enough to get a warrant.

gunplagirl posted...

I'm just pissed that even a cousin doing this is liable to get your entire family info figured out, with zero say in the matter. It's pretty garbage to say the least. So yes, I oppose the police being able to do this.

Seriously. Anyone uploads my impotent DNA to some database and they're getting fists.
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meestermj posted...

Those sites literally have a thing you sign that says "Hey, we collaborate with the police are you ok sharing your DNA?"
And if you say no they deny your application.

Where did you get this information? I was sitting with my gf while she did both ancestry and 23andme, and I'm pretty sure this is a lie.
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COVxy posted...

meestermj posted...

Those sites literally have a thing you sign that says "Hey, we collaborate with the police are you ok sharing your DNA?"
And if you say no they deny your application.

Where did you get this information? I was sitting with my gf while she did both ancestry and 23andme, and I'm pretty sure this is a lie.

it is a lie, lmao. Thats why all those sites came out right away adamantly stating it wasnt their site the police used
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lilORANG posted...

sure. Cops can contact 3rd parties for info without a warrant. If ancestry wants to hand over your info, you probably signed something that says they can anyway.

Yep, third party disclosure/ false friend exception. Although most companies wont turn it over without a warrant, the Fourth does not protect citizens if a company gave that information over to the government.
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