Current Events > Explaining "Plot holes" in Infinity War **MAJOR SPOILERS, SERIOUS**

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_MorningStar posted...

Pay attention kid. And I'm married.

You'll have to excuse me, it's easy to miss a nobody like you.

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.
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k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

Eh you can. I mean how do you stop overpopulation? You can't create more matter and eventually the universe will run out of habitable areas and materials.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

No, his plan worked perfectly. And like I said, if your point is that this will all happen again, he still had the gauntlet. He can just keep doing it again. Over and over.
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_MorningStar posted...

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

You have to be really fucking stupid to miss the Time Stone thing.

You should be happy about stupid people. Because it's because of stupidity that your mother got black out drunk the night she got knocked up by your father, leading to you.

That was cringe af and completely shitty.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

Eh you can. I mean how do you stop overpopulation? You can't create more matter and eventually the universe will run out of habitable areas and materials.

In his head and in theory this sounds like a good idea.

But he isnt the person who deserves or has the right to make that decision.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

Actually not logic. He shot her cause she begged him to do it. His emotions told him to listen to Gamora.
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_MorningStar posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

No, his plan worked perfectly. And like I said, if your point is that this will all happen again, he still had the gauntlet. He can just keep doing it again. Over and over.

Yeah, it did work. But just because it worked doesn't mean it isn't flawed, philosophically speaking. Like the other poster said.

You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

I am talking about the philosophy behind it.

chrono625 posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

k darkfire posted...

Thanos plan is flawed. You aren't supposed to think he's right; he's not. The movie makes it clear Thanos is not fucking right no matter how much he believes his BS.

Exaclty, I don't understand why people try to defend Thanos or others like KIllmongers objectives, no matter how 'sympathetic' they make it sound like. They are both mad men. You aren't supposed to try and justify their actions lol.

Eh you can. I mean how do you stop overpopulation? You can't create more matter and eventually the universe will run out of habitable areas and materials.

In his head and in theory this sounds like a good idea.

But he isnt the person who deserves or has the right to make that decision.

T hats what makes him the villain. But he isn't choosing who lives and dies. Just taking half the population at random. It wasn't personal. He is doing what is best for the survival of the universe in his eyes. He even sacrificed the only thing he loved to do it.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

Actually not logic. He shot her cause she begged him to do it. His emotions told him to listen to Gamora.

Actually logic, he allowed another person's words to determine his actions. That's acting through logic. In the Thanos scenario, he ignored other people's words and acted according to what he felt like, that's acting according to emotions.

In the most basic way of explaining this, when you open yourself to others thoughts and react accordingly, you're logically making that decision and everything henceforth. When you shut yourself off to your own thoughts, you're not using logic and making decisions based on what you feel like. That's illogical.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

Actually not logic. He shot her cause she begged him to do it. His emotions told him to listen to Gamora.

Actually logic, he allowed another person's words to determine his actions. That's acting through logic. In the Thanos scenario, he ignored other people's words and acted according to what he felt like, that's acting according to emotions.

Ok? You were saying what he did contradicts him as a character when it doesn't. He has been shown to be prone to acting on emotion over logic. Which is what he did. And your argument was that because he listened to Gamora and tried to kill her, that somehow makes what he did to Thanos out of character.

But the person you love most in the world asks you to do something, you are at least willing to listen. He doesn't know any of the ones on Titan trying to stop him. And he never tried to kill Gamora for the greater good, he did it to ease her suffering. Because she begged him to. T hats emotion, not logic.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

Actually not logic. He shot her cause she begged him to do it. His emotions told him to listen to Gamora.

Actually logic, he allowed another person's words to determine his actions. That's acting through logic. In the Thanos scenario, he ignored other people's words and acted according to what he felt like, that's acting according to emotions.

In the most basic way of explaining this, when you open yourself to others thoughts and react accordingly, you're logically making that decision and everything henceforth. When you shut yourself off to your own thoughts, you're not using logic and making decisions based on what you feel like. That's illogical.

Not logic, cause if ANYONE else told him to kill Gamora to save the universe, he would have said fuck you.
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_MorningStar posted...

Which is what he did. And your argument was that because he listened to Gamora and tried to kill her, that somehow makes what he did to Thanos out of character.

Not out of character, I am saying he is capable of acting both emotionally and logically. And in the Thanos scene, he acted emotionally and is responsible for what happened to half the universe.

But the person you love most in the world asks you to do something, you are at least willing to listen. He doesn't know any of the ones on Titan trying to stop him. And he never tried to kill Gamora for the greater good, he did it to ease her suffering. Because she begged him to. T hats emotion, not logic.

That's logical right there, if he was acting emotionally during the Gemora scene, he wouldn't have shot her. If he truly loved her and acted emotionally, he wouldn't have listened to her logical decision. And instead opted for "I'll just save her later and apologize, she will forgive me and we will treat it like another one of my lovable goofy moments". Instead, he made a logical decision to denounce his emotions and kill her. Which again, makes the decision to overreact emotionally to her death, even though he was trying to kill her prior to that scene, even more, proof of how much he fucked up.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Even if they similar situations occurred back to back, there would be an emotional difference between killing someone you love to save the universe vs. watching someone you loved be murdered to destroy the universe.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Which is what he did. And your argument was that because he listened to Gamora and tried to kill her, that somehow makes what he did to Thanos out of character.

Not out of character, I am saying he is capable of acting both emotionally and logically. And in the Thanos scene, he acted emotionally and solely responsible for what happened to half the universe.

But the person you love most in the world asks you to do something, you are at least willing to listen. He doesn't know any of the ones on Titan trying to stop him. And he never tried to kill Gamora for the greater good, he did it to ease her suffering. Because she begged him to. T hats emotion, not logic.

That's logical right there, if he was acting emotionally during the Gemora scene, he wouldn't have shot her. If he truly loved her and acted emotionally, he wouldn't have listened to her logical decision. And instead opted for "I'll just save her later and apologize, she will forgive me and we will treat it like another one of my lovable goofy moments". Instead, he made a logical decision to denounce his emotions and kill her. Which again, makes the decision to overreact emotionally to her death, even though he was trying to kill her prior to that scene, even more, proof of how much he fucked up.

He didn't know what Gamora knew. He took what she said on faith. T hats not logically. And he only shot because she begged him to. Not because he thought it would save the world. Not because he believes she is right, he shot because she asked him to. And had faith that what she said was true, with absolutely evidence as to what she knew or if it was true. T hats not logic. I think you are trying to apply our level of knowledge and applying it to him. Peter didn't know either way. But he had faith in Gamora.

A former assassin. Who had never brought up anything about any stones. And we aren't arguing that Peter is the reason they failed. He is. But he was under duress. Again, the person you loved most was just killed(and you have no idea how or why) by the most evil dude ever. You WILL NOT be in your right mind. This isn't up for debate.

Him trying to kill Gamora at her behest doesn't mean Peter agreed with it. And, I will say this again, you doing it because she asked you to, and her father doing it after he used her is completely different.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Did you even watch GotG 2? Cause it happens there. She even spare Camera's life, saying Gamora only ever wanted to win, when all she wanted was a sister.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Did you miss the part about how it fucked him up that he had to make that choice? And is happy when it doesn't work? But he knows Gamora gave Thanks what he wanted and he still killed her.

Also, it's one thing to kill someone to save a whole fucking universe and just killing her Willy nilly like he assumes Thanos did.

And he STILL pulled the trigger? You're saying he accorded to his feelings, so even with his feelings he STILL tried to kill Gremora (and obviously would've succeeded if Thranos wasn't trolling everyone). He acted out of logic, not emotions with trying to kill Gremora and he acted out of emotions, not logic by punching Thanos before they got the gauntlet off.

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

He did not act out of logic. He acted out of emotion. Gamora TOLD him to do it. She literally forced him to do it with her words. If Gamora didn't keep pleading and tell him to to do it, he would never have done it.

No he acted out of logic, if he acted out of emotions, he wouldn't have shot her. Gremora telling him and him doing it, IS acting out of logic. When he fired, he allowed words to control his actions. Whereas in the Thanos scenario, while everyone was telling to chill out, he ignored the words, because his emotions were telling him to do something else.

Actually not logic. He shot her cause she begged him to do it. His emotions told him to listen to Gamora.

Actually logic, he allowed another person's words to determine his actions. That's acting through logic. In the Thanos scenario, he ignored other people's words and acted according to what he felt like, that's acting according to emotions.

In the most basic way of explaining this, when you open yourself to others thoughts and react accordingly, you're logically making that decision and everything henceforth. When you shut yourself off to your own thoughts, you're not using logic and making decisions based on what you feel like. That's illogical.

Are you saying people's words cannot illicit emotion in others?
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_MorningStar posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Did you even watch GotG 2? Cause it happens there. She even spare Camera's life, saying Gamora only ever wanted to win, when all she wanted was a sister.

I think you got a misquote going on there bud.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

_MorningStar posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Did you even watch GotG 2? Cause it happens there. She even spare Camera's life, saying Gamora only ever wanted to win, when all she wanted was a sister.

I think you got a misquote going on there bud.

Lol sorry, I quoted the post from yours cause I didn't want to scroll up. That wasn't directed towards you, it was to the guy you were quoting.
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_MorningStar posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

_MorningStar posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Did you even watch GotG 2? Cause it happens there. She even spare Camera's life, saying Gamora only ever wanted to win, when all she wanted was a sister.

I think you got a misquote going on there bud.

Lol sorry, I quoted the post from yours cause I didn't want to scroll up. That wasn't directed towards you, it was to the guy you were quoting.

Fair enough lol
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_MorningStar posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Dr. Strange giving up the Time Stone because he scanned potential futures isn't a plot hole.

It's just lazy writing.

Explain. @Dragonblade01

It provides an excuse for literally every single thing that happens from now on in this two-parter. By adding that scene, the writers basically have an out no matter what happens or what they have the characters do. They don't have to show the audience anything, they just had to have Doctor Strange say that he checked a lot of possibilities and then claim that this was the only way they had a chance to win. Rather than crafting a tightly written story about these characters trying to overcome someone who became a god, they instead wrote themselves a blank creative check to cover every decision they feel like making.

And the fact he didn't know what Gremora knew, reinforces the fact he wouldn't have thought it was important to kill Gremora and he could just save her a later date, like a hero rescuring his damsal in distress after they get captured by the bad guy.

I am saying he acted emotionally, by listening to what Gremora wanted. Now you're bring up theories that Peter is man of faith. Of course I am applying our logic, otherwise we would all just treat them as loony tunes characters and be done with it.

Again he tried to kill Gremora, he made the logical decision to end her life. So i am just here to blame him for overreacting if you want to say him acting emotionally is expected, that's fine. But I am here to blame him for overreacting when he has shown to act logically in order to kill the persone he loves.

It's different, but that has nothing do with Peter acting logically to kill Gremora and overreacting, when someone else kills the person you tried to kill. Again, this is all to blame Peter.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

And the fact he didn't know what Gremora knew, reinforces the fact he wouldn't have thought it was important to kill Gremora and he could just save her a later date, like a hero rescuring his damsal in distress after they get captured by the bad guy.

I am saying he acted emotionally, by listening to what Gremora wanted. Now you're bring up theories that Peter is man of faith. Of course I am applying our logic, otherwise we would all just treat them as loony tunes characters and be done with it.

Again he tried to kill Gremora, he made the logical decision to end her life. So i am just here to blame him for overreacting if you want to say him acting emotionally is expected, that's fine. But I am here to blame him for overreacting when he has shown to act logically in order to kill the persone he loves.

It's different, but that has nothing do with Peter acting logically to kill Gremora and overreacting, when someone else kills the person you tried to kill. Again, this is all to blame Peter.

And I 100% agree with this. Everything that happened is 80% on Quill. I say 80% because they never actually got the glove off. What we were saying is that it wasn't contradictory to his character. Those were two entirely different situations.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

And the fact he didn't know what Gremora knew, reinforces the fact he wouldn't have thought it was important to kill Gremora and he could just save her a later date, like a hero rescuring his damsal in distress after they get captured by the bad guy.

I am saying he acted emotionally, by listening to what Gremora wanted. Now you're bring up theories that Peter is man of faith. Of course I am applying our logic, otherwise we would all just treat them as loony tunes characters and be done with it.

Again he tried to kill Gremora, he made the logical decision to end her life. So i am just here to blame him for overreacting if you want to say him acting emotionally is expected, that's fine. But I am here to blame him for overreacting when he has shown to act logically in order to kill the persone he loves.

It's different, but that has nothing do with Peter acting logically to kill Gremora and overreacting, when someone else kills the person you tried to kill. Again, this is all to blame Peter.

Its logical to us because we have outside knowledge but a person in that situation would absolutely be going about it emotionally.
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_MorningStar posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also the WHOLE scene was laughably bad, Nebula cracks up a conversation about Gemora's fate, which just felt so random and forced. When did she become the emotional one?

Did you even watch GotG 2? Cause it happens there. She even spare Camera's life, saying Gamora only ever wanted to win, when all she wanted was a sister.

She wanted a sister, Gremora wasn't a good sister. Until GotG events and she realised how much she hurt her.

And it was still poorly written, I can forgive Peter forgetting how important the situation was that they remove the gauntlet first before they start all the chatter, but Nebula all of a sudden becomes a cartoon character thats an emotioanl mess, that forgets how important the mission is.

Pretty sure Nebula hates Thanos FAR MORE than she 'loves'? Gremora.

Dragonblade01 posted...

_MorningStar posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Dr. Strange giving up the Time Stone because he scanned potential futures isn't a plot hole.

It's just lazy writing.

Explain. @Dragonblade01

It provides an excuse for literally every single thing that happens from now on in this two-parter. By adding that scene, the writers basically have an out no matter what happens or what they have the characters do. They don't have to show the audience anything, they just had to have Doctor Strange say that he checked a lot of possibilities and then claim that this was the only way they had a chance to win. Rather than crafting a tightly written story about these characters trying to overcome someone who became a god, they instead wrote themselves a blank creative check to cover every decision they feel like making.

So, uh.

Did you miss the part where Strange fucking dissolved without telling anyone anything?

Because he's the only one who saw the future.
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_MorningStar posted...

Re-iNcarnated posted...

And the fact he didn't know what Gremora knew, reinforces the fact he wouldn't have thought it was important to kill Gremora and he could just save her a later date, like a hero rescuring his damsal in distress after they get captured by the bad guy.

I am saying he acted emotionally, by listening to what Gremora wanted. Now you're bring up theories that Peter is man of faith. Of course I am applying our logic, otherwise we would all just treat them as loony tunes characters and be done with it.

Again he tried to kill Gremora, he made the logical decision to end her life. So i am just here to blame him for overreacting if you want to say him acting emotionally is expected, that's fine. But I am here to blame him for overreacting when he has shown to act logically in order to kill the persone he loves.

It's different, but that has nothing do with Peter acting logically to kill Gremora and overreacting, when someone else kills the person you tried to kill. Again, this is all to blame Peter.

And I 100% agree with this. Everything that happened is 80% on Quill. I say 80% because they never actually got the glove off. What we were saying is that it wasn't contradictory to his character. Those were two entirely different situations.

They did get the glove off...

And my point all this time was to blame Peter, but also that he can act emotionally and logically.

_MorningStar posted...

St0rmFury posted...

How the fuck can Tony tank a blast from an infinity stone?

THANK YOU

So glad I wasn't the only one who found this to be complete bullshit.

I found this weird too, but I just realised Vibranium Ultron took a really long attack from Iron Man's Repulsors, Thor's Lightning and Vision's Mind Stone beam and the only thing that happened was his face slightly melting
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Don't over analyze and nitpick the movie too much

Tony has tech that literally recreates his suit as it is destroyed. Tony tanks the shot from Thanos due to that. He was also shielding himself with that same tech.
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Lol no Starload is not how most people react, just ones that cannot handle their own emotions

I don't get why people keep saying Hulk is afraid.

Hulk did not show any indication of fear.

Thanos beat him up but not really that much worse than the big ones Hulk has fought before, including Thor, Fenris, Hulkbuster, heck even the abomination.

Finally when Bruce talks to the Hulk he does not show fear, but rather stubbornness.

I think the more likely explanation is that Hulk does not like Earth (Earth does not like him). He finally found a place where they appreciated him - Sakaar, and Asgard, both places that love their warriors - but back on Earth he's something to be feared. This is at least something he has vocalized in the past in Ragnarok.
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No, Hulk never completely lost a fight like he did against Thanos. He's scared.
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DarthAragorn posted...

No, Hulk never completely lost a fight like he did against Thanos. He's scared.

Iron Man took him out. And in neither instance did he even show a face of fear.

And just in case people say otherwise - Banner himself admitted the Hulkbuster beat Hulk.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Also, why no Hulk?

I assume they are going to write in that he was afraid, or would only fight Thanos and no others.

Because Hulk got beat the fuck up by Thanos already. After being a champion for years to being beat up, itd be quite the ego hit. Hulk is probably upset and scared atm.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Also, why no Hulk?

I assume they are going to write in that he was afraid, or would only fight Thanos and no others.

Because Hulk got beat the fuck up by Thanos already. After being a champion for years to being beat up, itd be quite the ego hit. Hulk is probably upset and scared atm.

upset maybe. tantrum perhaps. he did not portray any fear at all though.
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Starlord's emotions caused him when he first tried to kill Gamora too. If he did it immediately it may have worked. Him hesitating let Thanos turn it to bubbles.

Also say they get the gauntlet off...then what? Everyone's still getting a beat down and the best chance they have is Strange trying to teleport things away but...that takes time. Thanos may get to him before he does it.
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Hulk is having a tantrum because Thanos whooped his ass.

It may not be fear, but it's stubbornness because his ego just took a huge hit and since he is basically a child he is having a tantrum.
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Not sure if it's a plot hole, but how did Captain America and Black Widow find Vision and Scarlet Witch so fast? Stark had just informed the New York guys that they had no way of finding them, then Banner calls Cap and voila, they arrive with perfect timing within what I'm guessing was less than an hour to the place they didn't know to go to.

Also, is it a plot hole that Odin had a replica of the gauntlet in Ragnarok, but supposedly Asgard didn't know that Thanos had a real one? Unless that dwarf really did have good reason to hate Thor if Odin knew what Thanos did and just asked for a replica anyway.
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madumlao posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

No, Hulk never completely lost a fight like he did against Thanos. He's scared.

Iron Man took him out. And in neither instance did he even show a face of fear.

And just in case people say otherwise - Banner himself admitted the Hulkbuster beat Hulk.

Ironman barely took out a Hulk who was giving up

I don't think Hulk's situation has anything to do with him getting his ass handed to him by Thanos. I hope it's something deeper than that. Cuz didn't he get wrecked by Thor and he still stayed as Hulk for the entirety of Ragnarok (besides the scene coming up to the Hela fight.)?
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I don't think Hulk's situation has anything to do with him getting his ass handed to him by Thanos. I hope it's something deeper than that. Cuz didn't he get wrecked by Thor and he still stayed as Hulk for the entirety of Ragnarok (besides the scene coming up to the Hela fight.)?

It wasn't the same, Thor and Hulk went back and fourth and it was fairly close.

Thanos completely floor him in 5 seconds with little effort.

Hulk isn't used to getting beat so incredibly easy, it killed his ego and made him have a tantrum IMO
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Dustin1280 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

I don't think Hulk's situation has anything to do with him getting his ass handed to him by Thanos. I hope it's something deeper than that. Cuz didn't he get wrecked by Thor and he still stayed as Hulk for the entirety of Ragnarok (besides the scene coming up to the Hela fight.)?

It wasn't the same, Thor and Hulk went back and fourth and it was fairly close.

Thanos completely floor him in 5 seconds with little effort.

Hulk isn't used to getting beat so incredibly easy, it killed his ego and made him have a tantrum IMO

Makes sense. I hope it's more than that though. I think I read an interview with either Kevin Feige or Ruffalo saying that Ragnarok, Avengers 3 and 4 are basically supposed to take place of a Hulk standalone for his character arc. So I hope in 4 a lot more happens with him.
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Strange also probably wanted tony stark alive because hes probably necessary for the timeline to work
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Slayerblade11 posted...

madumlao posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

No, Hulk never completely lost a fight like he did against Thanos. He's scared.

Iron Man took him out. And in neither instance did he even show a face of fear.

And just in case people say otherwise - Banner himself admitted the Hulkbuster beat Hulk.

Ironman barely took out a Hulk who was giving up

That doesn't matter. Banner admits it, and even if you watch the narrative, most of hulkbuster's damage was because of Stark holding back more and preventing collateral damage.

Point is, in neither case was fear presented. It might be rational to feel fear, but Hulk isn't rational. The only motivation hinted at was his dispute with Banner and Earth.

Hulk has a thing, and heck it might even be his losing. But it's not fear.
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Incidentally when Thanos floored hulk with his physical strength alone, that was the point I knew they were going to do right by Thanos.

Couldn't be happier with the movie.
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