Poll of the Day > Are you one of those people who thinks being Gay is a CHOICE or were born Gay???

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Soraiku 05/08/18 7:49:52 AM #51:	It's a choice. I'm straight, but I'm pretty sure that with some monumental effort, or extreme coercion, I could become bi over time. Greater extremes could probably produce a stronger result than bi (mind control shit). Of course I'd think the same could work in reverse, and people have claimed to have gone from gay to straight on many occasions as far as I'm aware... I look at prison inmates for the easiest example though. People go in straight, then shit changes. At least one study shows that sexual orientation tends to change, mostly to bisexual, but occasionally to the opposite of how they went in entirely. Given this very obvious point of reference, I'm amazed anyone continues to claim that orientation is set for life at birth. The obvious fact seems to be that if you get enough of something, there's a chance you'll start to like it. --- "Men are liars. We'll lie about lying if we have to. I'm an algebra liar. I figure two good lies make a positive." -Tim Allen <cite>Soraiku posted [p:900988684] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>It's a choice. I'm straight, but I'm pretty sure that with some monumental effort, or extreme coercion, I could become bi over time. Greater extremes could probably produce a stronger result than bi (mind control shit). Of course I'd think the same could work in reverse, and people have claimed to have gone from gay to straight on many occasions as far as I'm aware... I look at prison inmates for the easiest example though. People go in straight, then shit changes. At least one study shows that sexual orientation tends to change, mostly to bisexual, but occasionally to the opposite of how they went in entirely. Given this very obvious point of reference, I'm amazed anyone continues to claim that orientation is set for life at birth. The obvious fact seems to be that if you get enough of something, there's a chance you'll start to like it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 11:25:49 AM #52:	Soraiku posted... It's a choice. I'm straight, but I'm pretty sure that with some monumental effort, or extreme coercion, I could become bi over time. Greater extremes could probably produce a stronger result than bi (mind control shit). Of course I'd think the same could work in reverse, and people have claimed to have gone from gay to straight on many occasions as far as I'm aware... I look at prison inmates for the easiest example though. People go in straight, then shit changes. At least one study shows that sexual orientation tends to change, mostly to bisexual, but occasionally to the opposite of how they went in entirely. Given this very obvious point of reference, I'm amazed anyone continues to claim that orientation is set for life at birth. The obvious fact seems to be that if you get enough of something, there's a chance you'll start to like it. I don't think it's that. As I said earlier, anyone can have sex with anyone else. I could have sex with a woman even though I'm gay. But being gay means who I'm attracted to, not who I have sex with. When it comes to just liking things, that depends a little. Things like sticking something up your ass is not uncommon for straight guys as the prostate is up there. So, even if they like that feeling, that says nothing about there orientation. And for the ones who like sticking the penis into an ass, well both men and women has asses, so... I can't honestly think of anyone who has actually switch sexual orientations. I think we people say they went bi, they are either lying or were already bi, tbqh... And trust me when I say that lots of gay guys have tried to be straight, but it doesn't change for them. Because you don't just change. You can't just try really hard. It literally doesn't work like that... When it comes to situational orientation, so also don't think that changes you. Having sex in prison usually doesn't mean you're gay. If you are having gay sex, it could be for other things. Like someone else said, it could be for a debt, protection, or whatever else. And it would still be better than being possibly gaged raped in prison(not that it actually means it's that common)... Those guys are probably just doing whatever it takes to live. But it doesn't have to change their actually sexual orientation... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:900996224] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Soraiku posted...</cite> <quote>It's a choice. I'm straight, but I'm pretty sure that with some monumental effort, or extreme coercion, I could become bi over time. Greater extremes could probably produce a stronger result than bi (mind control shit). Of course I'd think the same could work in reverse, and people have claimed to have gone from gay to straight on many occasions as far as I'm aware... I look at prison inmates for the easiest example though. People go in straight, then shit changes. At least one study shows that sexual orientation tends to change, mostly to bisexual, but occasionally to the opposite of how they went in entirely. Given this very obvious point of reference, I'm amazed anyone continues to claim that orientation is set for life at birth. The obvious fact seems to be that if you get enough of something, there's a chance you'll start to like it.</quote> I don't think it's that. As I said earlier, anyone can have sex with anyone else. I could have sex with a woman even though I'm gay. But being gay means who I'm attracted to, not who I have sex with. When it comes to just liking things, that depends a little. Things like sticking something up your ass is not uncommon for straight guys as the prostate is up there. So, even if they like that feeling, that says nothing about there orientation. And for the ones who like sticking the penis into an ass, well both men and women has asses, so... I can't honestly think of anyone who has actually switch sexual orientations. I think we people say they went bi, they are either lying or were already bi, tbqh... And trust me when I say that lots of gay guys have tried to be straight, but it doesn't change for them. Because you don't just change. You can't just try really hard. It literally doesn't work like that... When it comes to situational orientation, so also don't think that changes you. Having sex in prison usually doesn't mean you're gay. If you are having gay sex, it could be for other things. Like someone else said, it could be for a debt, protection, or whatever else. And it would still be better than being possibly gaged raped in prison(not that it actually means it's that common)... Those guys are probably just doing whatever it takes to live. But it doesn't have to change their actually sexual orientation...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 05/08/18 11:48:03 AM #53:	Not a choice. --- As a being that longs for an infinitely sustainable existence, a real world of moderation coexisting with a virtual world of ultimate excess, seems ideal.DAMIEN <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:900997132] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>Not a choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/08/18 12:01:31 PM #54:	There is no thought without action. If you are just talking about "feeling" gay, then that's like 66% born with it and 33% environmental factors while growing up. But no one cares how people feel, you're not gay unless you're pounding it and pounding it is a choice --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:900997755] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>There is no thought without action. If you are just talking about "feeling" gay, then that's like 66% born with it and 33% environmental factors while growing up. But no one cares how people feel, you're not gay unless you're pounding it and pounding it is a choice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 12:09:18 PM #55:	Lokarin posted... There is no thought without action. If you are just talking about "feeling" gay, then that's like 66% born with it and 33% environmental factors while growing up. But no one cares how people feel, you're not gay unless you're pounding it and pounding it is a choice That's not how it works, either... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:900998097] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>There is no thought without action. If you are just talking about "feeling" gay, then that's like 66% born with it and 33% environmental factors while growing up. But no one cares how people feel, you're not gay unless you're pounding it and pounding it is a choice</quote> That's not how it works, either...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/08/18 12:13:25 PM #56:	LinkPizza posted... That's not how it works, either... Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:900998265] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>That's not how it works, either...</quote> Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bacon_Pancakes 05/08/18 12:29:30 PM #57:	Idk does it even matter anymore since gender is a social construct <cite>Bacon_Pancakes posted [p:900999017] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>Idk does it even matter anymore since gender is a social construct</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 12:33:39 PM #58:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... That's not how it works, either... Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics. What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:900999241] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>That's not how it works, either...</quote> Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics.</quote> What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/08/18 12:37:19 PM #59:	LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... That's not how it works, either... Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics. What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this... I just made up the percentages, but some of the environmental factors include epigeneic gene expression, and something called The Baldwin Effect (learned behavior affects development) --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:900999440] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>That's not how it works, either...</quote> Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics.</quote> What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this...</quote> I just made up the percentages, but some of the environmental factors include epigeneic gene expression, and something called The Baldwin Effect (learned behavior affects development)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MetroidVice 05/08/18 12:42:37 PM #60:	Born straight. --- Transformers, robots in disguise, more than meets the eyes! Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons <cite>MetroidVice posted [p:900999711] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>Born straight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 12:46:15 PM #61:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... That's not how it works, either... Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics. What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this... I just made up the percentages, but some of the environmental factors include epigeneic gene expression, and something called The Baldwin Effect (learned behavior affects development) But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it? --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:900999887] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>That's not how it works, either...</quote> Which part? cuz the final line was just joke And yes, it's a fact that environmental factors affect sexuality... it's not 100% genetics.</quote> What kind of environmental factors can change it exactly? I sometimes agree it's not 100 genetics, but even 90% or less in enough. If genetically, you're 75% gay, that other 25% most likely won't do anything. Though I would think it's less than that, honestly. I just don't really get how low of outside stuff will change anything like this...</quote> I just made up the percentages, but some of the environmental factors include epigeneic gene expression, and something called The Baldwin Effect (learned behavior affects development)</quote> But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 05/08/18 12:49:47 PM #62:	LinkPizza posted... But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it? not at all, development is a strange and complex place. There has been studies that the more older brothers you have, the more likely you'll be gay - even though there should be no correlation at all after birth. This is because how you grow up affects how genes are expressed during puberty. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:901000049] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it?</quote> not at all, development is a strange and complex place. There has been studies that the more older brothers you have, the more likely you'll be gay - even though there should be no correlation at all after birth. This is because how you grow up affects how genes are expressed during puberty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 1:01:23 PM #63:	Lokarin posted... LinkPizza posted... But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it? not at all, development is a strange and complex place. There has been studies that the more older brothers you have, the more likely you'll be gay - even though there should be no correlation at all after birth. This is because how you grow up affects how genes are expressed during puberty. See. I've heard that. For bigger families. But that could also have something to do with the mother, couldn't it. So, even before birth... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901000594] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>But I feel that would make more people straight, wouldn't it?</quote> not at all, development is a strange and complex place. There has been studies that the more older brothers you have, the more likely you'll be gay - even though there should be no correlation at all after birth. This is because how you grow up affects how genes are expressed during puberty.</quote> See. I've heard that. For bigger families. But that could also have something to do with the mother, couldn't it. So, even before birth...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/08/18 1:31:55 PM #64:	wah_wah_wah posted... There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know? Anecdotal evidence and impossible anyway since it isn't a choice. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:901002229] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote> There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know?</quote> Anecdotal evidence and impossible anyway since it isn't a choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
botsrule 05/08/18 1:49:32 PM #65:	wah_wah_wah posted... There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know? You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. Eastern cultures/environment seem to be more open to sexual fluidity (Third Gender). Fewer people in the closet. Some people are gay, straight, bi, switch from one side of the menu to the other (and perhaps back again). Great for them but it still doesn't make it a choice. Catholics have large families and the more older brothers you have the higher the chance of you coming out "fabulous". Gays have a different MRI profile than straights. Nobody chooses to change their brain patterns. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/08/rekers.sissy.boy.experiment/index.html (Rentboy didn't even help George with his luggage.) A gay man (George Alan Rekers/Family Research Council) can dedicate his life to denying rights to gays but it doesn't make him straight. If it were possible at all to choose to be heterosexual George would have done so. Hiring a rentboy to have sex with is not exactly a normal heterosexual thing to do. There are others who have been caught railing against the evil gays but they secretly rail male prostitutes in motel rooms. Sometimes they get caught by an undercover cop in a bathroom. You're entire life destroyed because you can't choose to stop sleeping with the gays. That has a touch of irony to it. Sexuality isn't situational, you like who you like, hiding your sexuality is. If you can be burned at the stake during the Inquisitions for sodomy then you'd most likely keep a low profile. Same thing with ISIS. Gays can't magically choose to be straight. Seeing videos of gays being bound and thrown off of buildings by ISIS would strongly indicate that being gay isn't a choice. If there was ever a situation to start choosing to have straight impulses, I'd imagine that being in ISIS held territory would be the right time. <cite>botsrule posted [p:901003165] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know?</quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. Eastern cultures/environment seem to be more open to sexual fluidity (Third Gender). Fewer people in the closet. Some people are gay, straight, bi, switch from one side of the menu to the other (and perhaps back again). Great for them but it still doesn't make it a choice. Catholics have large families and the more older brothers you have the higher the chance of you coming out "fabulous". Gays have a different MRI profile than straights. Nobody chooses to change their brain patterns. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/08/rekers.sissy.boy.experiment/index.html (Rentboy didn't even help George with his luggage.) A gay man (George Alan Rekers/Family Research Council) can dedicate his life to denying rights to gays but it doesn't make him straight. If it were possible at all to choose to be heterosexual George would have done so. Hiring a rentboy to have sex with is not exactly a normal heterosexual thing to do. There are others who have been caught railing against the evil gays but they secretly rail male prostitutes in motel rooms. Sometimes they get caught by an undercover cop in a bathroom. You're entire life destroyed because you can't choose to stop sleeping with the gays. That has a touch of irony to it. Sexuality isn't situational, you like who you like, hiding your sexuality is. If you can be burned at the stake during the Inquisitions for sodomy then you'd most likely keep a low profile. Same thing with ISIS. Gays can't magically choose to be straight. Seeing videos of gays being bound and thrown off of buildings by ISIS would strongly indicate that being gay isn't a choice. If there was ever a situation to start choosing to have straight impulses, I'd imagine that being in ISIS held territory would be the right time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JanwayDaahl 05/08/18 4:15:15 PM #66:	Nade Duck posted... i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying. --- I do not support homosexuality in any way. If you believe in Allah (swt) put this in your sig! <cite>JanwayDaahl posted [p:901010659] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls</quote> It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 4:23:53 PM #67:	JanwayDaahl posted... Nade Duck posted... i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying. There's also a lot of straight people who've been molested. And a bunch of gay and lesbians who weren't... And I still don't really see how environment is suppose to play a big part. I'm sure that if it even plays a part in being gay or not, it's a very small part. Minuscule, even... Also, as a child, I don't really think you are choosing the environment you live in anyway... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901011109] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls</quote> It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying.</quote> There's also a lot of straight people who've been molested. And a bunch of gay and lesbians who weren't... And I still don't really see how environment is suppose to play a big part. I'm sure that if it even plays a part in being gay or not, it's a very small part. Minuscule, even... Also, as a child, I don't really think you are choosing the environment you live in anyway...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 05/08/18 4:28:23 PM #68:	JanwayDaahl posted... Nade Duck posted... i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying. Remember kids: If science disagrees with me, it's because of underlying political bias at an institutional level. I couldn't possibly be wrong despite having done no science of my own. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:901011362] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls</quote> It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying.</quote> Remember kids: If science disagrees with me, it's because of underlying political bias at an institutional level. I couldn't possibly be wrong despite having done no science of my own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 4:38:57 PM #69:	Revelation34 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know? Anecdotal evidence and impossible anyway since it isn't a choice. If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901011909] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote> There is a Western notion that sexuality is this fixed, eternal thing. In my own life, I've seen and heard so many examples of the opposite, that I cannot believe this is true anymore. Even outside of prison where it regularly happens (even outside of rape). I think people's sexual choices are far more effected by their environment than many would like to believe. I mean, people can point to a life of missionary-only Christian-approved heterosexual sex and be like, See Im straight!... but thats not proof of something eternal about them. They cant really say that in all situations ever, they would always be straight or have straight impulses, because they havent been in all situations ever. How can they really know?</quote> Anecdotal evidence and impossible anyway since it isn't a choice.</quote> If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 4:39:50 PM #70:	botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901011954] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 4:41:28 PM #71:	wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... Though I do agree that if it were possible to choose (which it is not), it would be about half and half who would change as an adult. For some people, they have already found their happiness. For others, being gay is a part of who they are, and they don't want to lose themselves. But a good chunk still would... But it's not possible, so... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901012033] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... Though I do agree that if it were possible to choose (which it is not), it would be about half and half who would change as an adult. For some people, they have already found their happiness. For others, being gay is a part of who they are, and they don't want to lose themselves. But a good chunk still would... But it's not possible, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 4:47:40 PM #72:	LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901012319] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work...</quote> If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 4:49:57 PM #73:	wah_wah_wah posted... LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness. You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901012433] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work...</quote> If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness.</quote> You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 4:55:47 PM #74:	LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness. You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest... That's about the only way it is not analogous. But like our career choices, our sexual choices tend to be influenced by our environment and what is available. Im not even saying its your choice in an attempt to get you to choose a different sexual preference. Im saying it to define the argument on rational, empirical evidence. Its been shown that people do adapt and change their sexuality based on their environment. When you use the argument, We didnt choose this! in response to You need to change!... you think it is a good argument, but its really not because it can fly in the face of evidence. The real argument instead is, Who the fuck are you to tell me who I sleep with? Why is this your decision and not mine? What justifiable reason do you have to be interfering with my sex life? That is a powerful set of questions, because none of those questions allow bigots to have good answers. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901012745] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work...</quote> If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness.</quote> You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest...</quote> That's about the only way it is not analogous. But like our career choices, our sexual choices tend to be influenced by our environment and what is available. Im not even saying its your choice in an attempt to get you to choose a different sexual preference. Im saying it to define the argument on rational, empirical evidence. Its been shown that people do adapt and change their sexuality based on their environment. When you use the argument, We didnt choose this! in response to You need to change!... you think it is a good argument, but its really not because it can fly in the face of evidence. The real argument instead is, Who the fuck are you to tell me who I sleep with? Why is this your decision and not mine? What justifiable reason do you have to be interfering with my sex life? That is a powerful set of questions, because none of those questions allow bigots to have good answers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/08/18 5:00:04 PM #75:	wah_wah_wah posted... If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper. You mean from cases where they don't exist? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:901012953] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper. </quote> You mean from cases where they don't exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 5:03:06 PM #76:	wah_wah_wah posted... LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... LinkPizza posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work... If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness. You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest... That's about the only way it is not analogous. But like our career choices, our sexual choices tend to be influenced by our environment and what is available. Im not even saying its your choice in an attempt to get you to choose a different sexual preference. Im saying it to define the argument on rational, empirical evidence. Its been shown that people do adapt and change their sexuality based on their environment. When you use the argument, We didnt choose this! in response to You need to change!... you think it is a good argument, but its really not because it can fly in the face of evidence. The real argument instead is, Who the fuck are you to tell me who I sleep with? Why is this your decision and not mine? What justifiable reason do you have to be interfering with my sex life? That is a powerful set of questions, because none of those questions allow bigots to have good answers. All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901013101] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> It's not sonmuch that we are unwilling to change. We didn't make a choice about being gay, nor can we change. Trust me. Lots of people try really hard to do so... and it does not work...</quote> If coerced I can try really hard to be a biology teacher and fail too, but that doesn't mean I am genetically unable to teach biology. Just because you cannot coerce people into liking a type of sex they have no interest in, doesn't necessarily mean they are born pre-made into this sexuality or that sexuality. That has more to do with why forcing them to change is wrong rather than their innate gayness or straightness.</quote> You're talking about something that's a skill. You need to learning a specific skill to teach. And there's specific knowledge you need to learn so you can teach it. Being gay isn't a skill. Comparing the 2 are apples and oranges. Maybe even more different to be honest...</quote> That's about the only way it is not analogous. But like our career choices, our sexual choices tend to be influenced by our environment and what is available. Im not even saying its your choice in an attempt to get you to choose a different sexual preference. Im saying it to define the argument on rational, empirical evidence. Its been shown that people do adapt and change their sexuality based on their environment. When you use the argument, We didnt choose this! in response to You need to change!... you think it is a good argument, but its really not because it can fly in the face of evidence. The real argument instead is, Who the fuck are you to tell me who I sleep with? Why is this your decision and not mine? What justifiable reason do you have to be interfering with my sex life? That is a powerful set of questions, because none of those questions allow bigots to have good answers.</quote> All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 5:03:07 PM #77:	Revelation34 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper. You mean from cases where they don't exist? You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901013102] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to read numerous cases when it happens, then please do. I'm not doing a research paper. </quote> You mean from cases where they don't exist?</quote> You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/08/18 5:06:30 PM #78:	wah_wah_wah posted... You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring. The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:901013288] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote> You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring.</quote> The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 5:07:16 PM #79:	LinkPizza posted... All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried... But that also doesn't necessarily say that you're born gay either. Again, not making the argument as if to say you can choose to change. There's a lot of things in our life that we've settled, that don't necessarily speak to what we were born as. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901013341] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried... </quote> But that also doesn't necessarily say that you're born gay either. Again, not making the argument as if to say you can choose to change. There's a lot of things in our life that we've settled, that don't necessarily speak to what we were born as.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 5:08:24 PM #80:	Revelation34 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring. The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals. And even then, the feelings were already basically there. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901013401] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote> You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring.</quote> The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals.</quote> And even then, the feelings were already basically there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/08/18 5:08:28 PM #81:	Revelation34 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring. The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals. You must do a lot of not reading huh <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901013402] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote> You'd have to believe that people cannot change sex preferences over time to remain ignorant of it occurring.</quote> The only people who "change" sexual preferences are bisexuals.</quote> You must do a lot of not reading huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 5:10:21 PM #82:	wah_wah_wah posted... LinkPizza posted... All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried... But that also doesn't necessarily say that you're born gay either. Again, not making the argument as if to say you can choose to change. There's a lot of things in our life that we've settled, that don't necessarily speak to what we were born as. Maybe. I feel like I was born this way. But even if I wasn't(which i believe I was), that still doesn't mean it's an actually choice. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901013498] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>All the places I lived in, gay guys were not readily available. I even tried dating a bunch of girls. Nothing... Theu really liked me, but I could get into females no matter how hard i tried... </quote> But that also doesn't necessarily say that you're born gay either. Again, not making the argument as if to say you can choose to change. There's a lot of things in our life that we've settled, that don't necessarily speak to what we were born as.</quote> Maybe. I feel like I was born this way. But even if I wasn't(which i believe I was), that still doesn't mean it's an actually choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/08/18 5:27:47 PM #83:	wah_wah_wah posted... You must do a lot of not reading huh I don't read "sources" from Christian websites. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:901014390] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You must do a lot of not reading huh</quote> I don't read "sources" from Christian websites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 05/08/18 5:59:00 PM #84:	There really isn't any reason to believe sexual preferences can't change over time. Pedantically, that suggests that one is really just bisexual, but the whole Kinsey Scale thing suggests that very few people are truly exclusively straight/gay anyway. Even without getting into that, though, one can consider one's own sexual preferences. Are you attracted to the same things as you were when you were a teenager? It's not unusual to answer that question negatively, and is going from being a boob man to a butt man really that different from going from a vag man to a dick man? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:901015966] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>There really isn't any reason to believe sexual preferences can't change over time. Pedantically, that suggests that one is really just bisexual, but the whole Kinsey Scale thing suggests that very few people are truly exclusively straight/gay anyway. Even without getting into that, though, one can consider one's own sexual preferences. Are you attracted to the same things as you were when you were a teenager? It's not unusual to answer that question negatively, and is going from being a boob man to a butt man really that different from going from a vag man to a dick man?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 6:09:38 PM #85:	adjl posted... There really isn't any reason to believe sexual preferences can't change over time. Pedantically, that suggests that one is really just bisexual, but the whole Kinsey Scale thing suggests that very few people are truly exclusively straight/gay anyway. Even without getting into that, though, one can consider one's own sexual preferences. Are you attracted to the same things as you were when you were a teenager? It's not unusual to answer that question negatively, and is going from being a boob man to a butt man really that different from going from a vag man to a dick man? A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901016511] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>There really isn't any reason to believe sexual preferences can't change over time. Pedantically, that suggests that one is really just bisexual, but the whole Kinsey Scale thing suggests that very few people are truly exclusively straight/gay anyway. Even without getting into that, though, one can consider one's own sexual preferences. Are you attracted to the same things as you were when you were a teenager? It's not unusual to answer that question negatively, and is going from being a boob man to a butt man really that different from going from a vag man to a dick man?</quote> A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JanwayDaahl 05/08/18 6:24:23 PM #86:	LinkPizza posted... JanwayDaahl posted... Nade Duck posted... i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying. There's also a lot of straight people who've been molested. And a bunch of gay and lesbians who weren't... And I still don't really see how environment is suppose to play a big part. I'm sure that if it even plays a part in being gay or not, it's a very small part. Minuscule, even... Also, as a child, I don't really think you are choosing the environment you live in anyway... What's your point? If childhood abuse (esp. sexual abuse) is a part of the cause for homosexuality, then it's definitely suggestive of a model that implies choice, and therefore is a strongly environmental consequence. Childhood experiences are not a genetic component- I suggest you look up what "environment" means in this context. --- I do not support homosexuality in any way. If you believe in Allah (swt) put this in your sig! <cite>JanwayDaahl posted [p:901017246] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>i think it's different for everybody and applying a 100% black and white scale to it is stupid. i also agree with sahuagin. let people be. also @JanwayDaahl i wanna see ur opinion tho pls</quote> It's definitely a "choice" in that your environment decides it for the most part, not your genetics. There are various studies that show a link between childhood molestation and homosexuality in both lesbian and gay couples. It's also worth pointing out that academic research like this is highly liberal, so there's not a lot of research being done that would suggest the contrary to what I'm saying.</quote> There's also a lot of straight people who've been molested. And a bunch of gay and lesbians who weren't... And I still don't really see how environment is suppose to play a big part. I'm sure that if it even plays a part in being gay or not, it's a very small part. Minuscule, even... Also, as a child, I don't really think you are choosing the environment you live in anyway...</quote> What's your point? If childhood abuse (esp. sexual abuse) is a part of the cause for homosexuality, then it's definitely suggestive of a model that implies choice, and therefore is a strongly environmental consequence. Childhood experiences are not a genetic component- I suggest you look up what "environment" means in this context.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 05/08/18 6:25:04 PM #87:	LinkPizza posted... A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different... Is it, though? It affects the actual activity part of sex, obviously, which makes it a bit more significant than a mere aesthetic preference, but it still boils down to a difference in what arouses the person. We just put more weight on sexual orientation because people like making a big deal out of it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:901017280] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different...</quote> Is it, though? It affects the actual activity part of sex, obviously, which makes it a bit more significant than a mere aesthetic preference, but it still boils down to a difference in what arouses the person. We just put more weight on sexual orientation because people like making a big deal out of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 05/08/18 6:25:43 PM #88:	JanwayDaahl posted... it's definitely suggestive of a model that implies choice, and therefore is a strongly environmental consequence. Environmental influences=/=choices. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:901017321] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>it's definitely suggestive of a model that implies choice, and therefore is a strongly environmental consequence.</quote> Environmental influences=/=choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 6:28:01 PM #89:	adjl posted... LinkPizza posted... A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different... Is it, though? It affects the actual activity part of sex, obviously, which makes it a bit more significant than a mere aesthetic preference, but it still boils down to a difference in what arouses the person. We just put more weight on sexual orientation because people like making a big deal out of it. Maybe. I still see that as very different though. It's usually more than a simple penis/vagina swap, which is already very different going from penis & vagina to two penis or two vagina also changes how you have sex. And the average body types for men and women are kinda different, too... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901017451] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of people would say yes. Those two are very different. Going from liking blondes to redheads is one thing. I think Jump from dick to vag or the other way around are kind of very different...</quote> Is it, though? It affects the actual activity part of sex, obviously, which makes it a bit more significant than a mere aesthetic preference, but it still boils down to a difference in what arouses the person. We just put more weight on sexual orientation because people like making a big deal out of it.</quote> Maybe. I still see that as very different though. It's usually more than a simple penis/vagina swap, which is already very different going from penis & vagina to two penis or two vagina also changes how you have sex. And the average body types for men and women are kinda different, too...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 05/08/18 7:01:02 PM #90:	I think both can happen but being born that way is more common. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:901019148] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>I think both can happen but being born that way is more common.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
botsrule 05/08/18 8:13:52 PM #91:	wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots. <cite>botsrule posted [p:901022862] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/08/18 8:16:29 PM #92:	botsrule posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots. Not to mention the one that could just "choose" to be straight instead of committing suicide. Or the ones that could "choose" to change instead of being bullied. Or disowned by family... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901023004] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots.</quote> Not to mention the one that could just "choose" to be straight instead of committing suicide. Or the ones that could "choose" to change instead of being bullied. Or disowned by family...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
botsrule 05/08/18 8:18:26 PM #93:	LinkPizza posted... botsrule posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots. Not to mention the one that could just "choose" to be straight instead of committing suicide. Or the ones that could "choose" to change instead of being bullied. Or disowned by family... Yeah! I brought that up in another post on this thread. <cite>botsrule posted [p:901023093] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots.</quote> Not to mention the one that could just "choose" to be straight instead of committing suicide. Or the ones that could "choose" to change instead of being bullied. Or disowned by family...</quote> Yeah! I brought that up in another post on this thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 05/09/18 6:26:43 AM #94:	botsrule posted... wah_wah_wah posted... botsrule posted... You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice. You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology. Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots. Because being gay doesn't automatically mean you're going to be murdered or financially destroyed. Even if it were to mean that, people don't always make decisions based on comfort, and don't always back down when faced with threats. You seem to have an opinion that their sexuality is some sort of curse, and that if they could choose to be cowards, they would. You believe it to be a defense of them, but it is quietly insulting. And the label is as much of a choice as anything too. I've never said "all things are even" as far as choosing that. There's plenty of people who have engaged in gay sex that identify as straight. It's not even "they're in the closet" either. They can openly admit they have had gay sex and then identify as straight. And if you want to argue "no they are really gay"... well how about all those gay people who tried having sex with the opposite sex? Technically they are not gay anymore either, if you want to define the label purely by experiences. "Well they couldn't get it up" or "Well they didn't enjoy it"... um that's a problem a straight person can have too. Not every time you go to screw, you're going to be able to do it. Just because you're not compatible with a person doesn't mean you're born as some way or the other. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:901044778] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>botsrule posted...</cite> <quote> You never explained why I choose to be straight or gay people choose to be gay and why you choose to be straight. To be a choice there has to be at least two choices. Gays and straights are very adamant about not wanting to play for the other team. One choice isn't much of a choice.</quote> You can make choices in life that you're unwilling to change. But that doesn't say anything about your biology.</quote> Hiding in a closet isn't changing your preferences. Let me play the devils advocate and say that every gay and straight person is wrong, plus all the science is too. It is a 'choice' as you state. Then we should see something in the neighborhood of 1/3 heterosexual, 1/3 bisexual and 1/3 homosexual. Or at least a 50/50 split. Those numbers are never seen in a random population. You still haven't explained why gays are choosing to be financially destroyed when outed or why they would choose to be brutally murdered by religious zealots.</quote> Because being gay doesn't automatically mean you're going to be murdered or financially destroyed. Even if it were to mean that, people don't always make decisions based on comfort, and don't always back down when faced with threats. You seem to have an opinion that their sexuality is some sort of curse, and that if they could choose to be cowards, they would. You believe it to be a defense of them, but it is quietly insulting. And the label is as much of a choice as anything too. I've never said "all things are even" as far as choosing that. There's plenty of people who have engaged in gay sex that identify as straight. It's not even "they're in the closet" either. They can openly admit they have had gay sex and then identify as straight. And if you want to argue "no they are really gay"... well how about all those gay people who tried having sex with the opposite sex? Technically they are not gay anymore either, if you want to define the label purely by experiences. "Well they couldn't get it up" or "Well they didn't enjoy it"... um that's a problem a straight person can have too. Not every time you go to screw, you're going to be able to do it. Just because you're not compatible with a person doesn't mean you're born as some way or the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MetroidVice 05/09/18 1:44:39 PM #95:	People are born gay, if one finds out that men have boner seeing other men, then it is naturally born. --- Transformers, robots in disguise, more than meets the eyes! Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons <cite>MetroidVice posted [p:901060893] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>People are born gay, if one finds out that men have boner seeing other men, then it is naturally born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/09/18 2:30:58 PM #96:	wah_wah_wah posted... but it is quietly insulting. I find it ironic you claim this is insulting yet try to claim homosexuality is a choice. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:901063399] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>but it is quietly insulting. </quote> I find it ironic you claim this is insulting yet try to claim homosexuality is a choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 05/09/18 2:32:07 PM #97:	Revelation34 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... but it is quietly insulting. I find it ironic you claim this is insulting yet try to claim homosexuality is a choice. I agree... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:901063461] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>but it is quietly insulting. </quote> I find it ironic you claim this is insulting yet try to claim homosexuality is a choice.</quote> I agree...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
botsrule 05/09/18 3:11:20 PM #98:	@wah_wah_wah You are right there are no absolutes about being caught and executed, committing suicide or losing everything including the love of your family and fiends, the odds exponentially increase if you are discovered. If you have a loving family and friends, you are going to do better than someone being ostracized. If living in an ISIS area I'd suggest extreme caution, even if your family and friends are gay friendly. It would be more comfortable not be rejected or persecuted by others. If you could choose your sexuality like picking out which tie to wear life would be easier. Some people order off both sides of the menu, I never said that sexual fluidity doesn't exist. I could eat bacon cheeseburgers all day long and claim loudly to be a vegetarian but bacon and beef aren't vegetables no matter how much I protest. If you are claiming to be straight while having relations with the same sex and the opposite sex, you'd be bisexual. Nothing wrong with that. Straights don't want to be gay and gays don't want to be straight, neither of them are wrong. Being gay isn't a choice. You read and see documentaries about gay people repeatedly praying to God to become straight, doesn't work. (I've never heard of a straight person praying to God to make them gay. I've heard about praying that there isn't a pregnancy or to be blessed with a child.) I'm guessing gays in ISIS held areas are praying daily to God that they aren't found out and flung off a roof. People born into the wrong bodies pray to God that they will wake up with a new body in the morning that matches who they truly are. These aren't my opinions, they belong to others. I don't see being gay as being a curse like you surmise but they are cursed by the actions and cruelties of others. If sexuality was a choice, even a hard choice, it would be far easier to change your choice than to slit your own wrists. Anyone who is praying to change their sexuality is extremely motivated to change. If humanity was making choices about sexuality, there wouldn't be 90% choosing to be straight and 10% not straight. The numbers would be more spread out. Sexuality isn't a choice but biological, you see much higher numbers of straight people than gays. I never brought up having sexual experiences. You like what you like. Simple: Gay guy says he is gay, straight guy says he is straight, bisexual guy says he is bi. There are married men who came out to their wife and children. They tried their damnedest to be straight but they are gay and years of pretending can't change it. Sometimes the families accept them and love them unconditionally. Having sex or having several children with a female/wife wouldn't make you straight. I'm not labeling people. People are what they are. If someone is gay/straight/bi, I don't try and convince them to change the label. That makes zero sense, sexuality isn't like a taped on name tag. If you prefer more muscular men, you will pursue muscular men. If you like more smaller men, you'll go after them. A straight guy might prefer the blonde but will take home a brunette home instead if he fails with his first choice. Now if the self proclaimed straight guy can't get the blonde or the brunette and decides to take a dude home instead, he would be bisexual. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Sexuality isn't a choice but bisexuals could get more opportunities in the dating pool than straights and gays. More power to them. Just because someone is gay or straight doesn't mean everyone is going to attracted to each other. I never said that all straights will want to nail every woman or every gay will want to nail every guy. <cite>botsrule posted [p:901065476] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>@wah_wah_wah You are right there are no absolutes about being caught and executed, committing suicide or losing everything including the love of your family and fiends, the odds exponentially increase if you are discovered. If you have a loving family and friends, you are going to do better than someone being ostracized. If living in an ISIS area I'd suggest extreme caution, even if your family and friends are gay friendly. It would be more comfortable not be rejected or persecuted by others. If you could choose your sexuality like picking out which tie to wear life would be easier. Some people order off both sides of the menu, I never said that sexual fluidity doesn't exist. I could eat bacon cheeseburgers all day long and claim loudly to be a vegetarian but bacon and beef aren't vegetables no matter how much I protest. If you are claiming to be straight while having relations with the same sex and the opposite sex, you'd be bisexual. Nothing wrong with that. Straights don't want to be gay and gays don't want to be straight, neither of them are wrong. Being gay isn't a choice. You read and see documentaries about gay people repeatedly praying to God to become straight, doesn't work. (I've never heard of a straight person praying to God to make them gay. I've heard about praying that there isn't a pregnancy or to be blessed with a child.) I'm guessing gays in ISIS held areas are praying daily to God that they aren't found out and flung off a roof. People born into the wrong bodies pray to God that they will wake up with a new body in the morning that matches who they truly are. These aren't my opinions, they belong to others. I don't see being gay as being a curse like you surmise but they are cursed by the actions and cruelties of others. If sexuality was a choice, even a hard choice, it would be far easier to change your choice than to slit your own wrists. Anyone who is praying to change their sexuality is extremely motivated to change. If humanity was making choices about sexuality, there wouldn't be 90% choosing to be straight and 10% not straight. The numbers would be more spread out. Sexuality isn't a choice but biological, you see much higher numbers of straight people than gays. I never brought up having sexual experiences. You like what you like. Simple: Gay guy says he is gay, straight guy says he is straight, bisexual guy says he is bi. There are married men who came out to their wife and children. They tried their damnedest to be straight but they are gay and years of pretending can't change it. Sometimes the families accept them and love them unconditionally. Having sex or having several children with a female/wife wouldn't make you straight. I'm not labeling people. People are what they are. If someone is gay/straight/bi, I don't try and convince them to change the label. That makes zero sense, sexuality isn't like a taped on name tag. If you prefer more muscular men, you will pursue muscular men. If you like more smaller men, you'll go after them. A straight guy might prefer the blonde but will take home a brunette home instead if he fails with his first choice. Now if the self proclaimed straight guy can't get the blonde or the brunette and decides to take a dude home instead, he would be bisexual. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Sexuality isn't a choice but bisexuals could get more opportunities in the dating pool than straights and gays. More power to them. Just because someone is gay or straight doesn't mean everyone is going to attracted to each other. I never said that all straights will want to nail every woman or every gay will want to nail every guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RazorX2003 05/12/18 8:17:07 AM #99:	LittleRoyal posted... RazorX2003 posted... Your poll is missing the option: "Early childhood trauma" For boys, from traumatic birth experiences to traumatic experiences (usually with women) possibly up to the ages of 5 or 6. I'd say it's "all of the above" though, so any of the three individual options. Wait Im confused You think boys become gay due to trauma but not girls? No, i wasn't suggesting that exactly. It's just the kind of "trauma" that are more likely to be related to a boy developing into a gay man are more well known. What traumatizes a boy and could be responsible for the change wouldn't necessarily mean that the same kind of trauma would change the girls sexual orientation, because of the ways that males and females are naturally wired up differently in their associations to sex, what it means, how we approach it differently, how we just interpret events in the world differently too, how we interact with each other, etc etc. So for example: a traumatic birth experience for a boy may imprint an association of "fear" (meaning a negative association, not necessarily being processed as literal fear response) with women, whereas in the same scenario, except switch it to a girl now, that trauma is not necessarily associated in a sexual way at all (but perhaps in social way or some other expression of sub conscious construction in personality). If however lets say a male doctor delivering her did something that caused significant trauma to be associated with him, then that may be a significant factor, but it's less clear as to how likely it is to be associated in their sexual "memory" if at all - there's less information about Lesbians to work with (as i understand it anyway). The boy in that scenario may show no signs of anything until puberty when the dormant biological machinery starts switching on but hasn't "forgotten" the impact of that trauma. --- I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you understood is not necessarily what I meant. <cite>RazorX2003 posted [p:901214233] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RazorX2003 posted...</cite> <quote>Your poll is missing the option: "Early childhood trauma" For boys, from traumatic birth experiences to traumatic experiences (usually with women) possibly up to the ages of 5 or 6. I'd say it's "all of the above" though, so any of the three individual options.</quote> Wait Im confused You think boys become gay due to trauma but not girls?</quote> No, i wasn't suggesting that exactly. It's just the kind of "trauma" that are more likely to be related to a boy developing into a gay man are more well known. What traumatizes a boy and could be responsible for the change wouldn't necessarily mean that the same kind of trauma would change the girls sexual orientation, because of the ways that males and females are naturally wired up differently in their associations to sex, what it means, how we approach it differently, how we just interpret events in the world differently too, how we interact with each other, etc etc. So for example: a traumatic birth experience for a boy may imprint an association of "fear" (meaning a negative association, not necessarily being processed as literal fear response) with women, whereas in the same scenario, except switch it to a girl now, that trauma is not necessarily associated in a sexual way at all (but perhaps in social way or some other expression of sub conscious construction in personality). If however lets say a male doctor delivering her did something that caused significant trauma to be associated with him, then that may be a significant factor, but it's less clear as to how likely it is to be associated in their sexual "memory" if at all - there's less information about Lesbians to work with (as i understand it anyway). The boy in that scenario may show no signs of anything until puberty when the dormant biological machinery starts switching on but hasn't "forgotten" the impact of that trauma.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 05/12/18 8:58:56 AM #100:	Traumatic birth experience? The baby would have no way of understanding or even ability to remember such a thing. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:901215150] in Are you on... [t:76583423]...</cite> <quote>Traumatic birth experience? The baby would have no way of understanding or even ability to remember such a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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