Current Events > I'm a little worried that Infinity War might backfire on Marvel SPOILERS

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alot of people went to see it, but alot of people hated the ending and i am worried a large chunk will refuse to watch anymore. we will see how Ant Man and the Wasp does I guess. I hope the MCU doesn't suffer from people giving up on it.

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.
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Zikten posted...

alot of people hated the ending

Citation needed

But now they must see the sequel to know how Marvel brings them back from the death!
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My buddy just walked in and said "I just saw infinity war... lamest ending ever!"

But he doesn't follow the mcu. Made me chuckle
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Zikten posted...

but alot of people hated the ending

No they didn't.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

I dont think its the time stone.

For one, time travel is kind of a dumb plot device and Im tired of seeing it and I think Marvel is a better smarter than that

For another, the only guy (aside from Thanos) who we know can control the stone is Dr. Strange, and hes gone

I think its the soul stone. I think Tony is going to sacrifice himself to it in order to recover the lives lost to it

dave_is_slick posted...

Zikten posted...

but alot of people hated the ending

No they didn't.

I'm sure a lot of people did hate it because it's going to be statistically impossible to please this many people, I just don't think enough people hated it to adjust the course of the MCU
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I liked the ending, I wish more of the bigger heroes died though. Also, I think it would've been better if it wasn't so obvious that the faded heroes would return.
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My issue is that, after something on the scale of Infinity War, everything else is just going to seem small-time by comparison. This definitely feels like the high-water mark of the MCU
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BloodyNate posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

I dont think its the time stone.

For one, time travel is kind of a dumb plot device and Im tired of seeing it and I think Marvel is a better smarter than that

For another, the only guy (aside from Thanos) who we know can control the stone is Dr. Strange, and hes gone

I think its the soul stone. I think Tony is going to sacrifice himself to it in order to recover the lives lost to it

I think the Pym Particles are going to play a role as well.
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Bio1590 posted...

BloodyNate posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

I dont think its the time stone.

For one, time travel is kind of a dumb plot device and Im tired of seeing it and I think Marvel is a better smarter than that

For another, the only guy (aside from Thanos) who we know can control the stone is Dr. Strange, and hes gone

I think its the soul stone. I think Tony is going to sacrifice himself to it in order to recover the lives lost to it

I think the Pym Particles are going to play a role as well.

Dunno what those are. I would be minorly annoyed if they introduced a new thing at the last minute to save the day

BloodyNate posted...

Dunno what those are. I would be minorly annoyed if they introduced a new thing at the last minute to save the day

They're what allow Antman to shrink/grow, and give access to the quantum realm where the laws of physics are distorted or something. Plus with the new Antman coming up seemingly focusing on that, it seems like it's setting things up to play out in the next avengers.
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Zikten shitposting as is tradition.
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The Pym Particles are what lets Ant-Man/Wasp shrink/grow in size. Their full power hasn't really been unleashed in the MCU yet.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

BloodyNate posted...

Dunno what those are. I would be minorly annoyed if they introduced a new thing at the last minute to save the day

They're what allow Antman to shrink/grow, and give access to the quantum realm where the laws of physics are distorted or something. Plus with the new Antman coming up seemingly focusing on that, it seems like it's setting things up to play out in the next avengers.

Oh shit yeah I remember those. I assume itll play a part, but I cant imagine it would be the game changer to best Thanos, I dont think Ant-Man will be as centric as Tony or Steve in the finale. It doesnt play as well from a narrative s standpoint

one theory is that Avengers 4 will be the lass hurrah for most of the founding cast. both Cap and Iron Man's actors have said they would like to quit.

Zikten posted...

one theory is that Avengers 4 will be the lass hurrah for most of the founding cast. both Cap and Iron Man's actors have said they would like to quit.

This is my guess, or at least most of them. But I can imagine them all retiring from the MCU, 10 years is a lot

BloodyNate posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

I dont think its the time stone.

For one, time travel is kind of a dumb plot device and Im tired of seeing it and I think Marvel is a better smarter than that

For another, the only guy (aside from Thanos) who we know can control the stone is Dr. Strange, and hes gone

I think its the soul stone. I think Tony is going to sacrifice himself to it in order to recover the lives lost to it

Honestly? I think it's going to take all six of the OG Avengers sacrificing themselves to undo the snap. Doesn't strike me as a coincidence that there's six of them and six stones; they will likely contrive some reason why they need to combine all their energy and all the stones together to revert the dusted ones (similar to the exposition flashback in GotG concerning the ancient group who tried and failed to control the stones). From a cynical standpoint, most of those actors want out by now (and I don't blame them, no matter how much money is thrown at them, these movies and especially the necessary promotion circuits must be exhausting), and just having one of them meet their end in IW 2 won't be enough to match IW's emotional impact.
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If we look at the comic events that inspired the movie, then we can most likely guess the major events.
In The Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos kills half the universe to impress Mistress Death. Adam Warlock gathered the surviving heroes to fight Thanos. His granddaughter Nebula steals the gauntlet from him, and he joins forces with the heroes to fight her.
Warlock manages to snag the gauntlet, and uses it to undo everything that happened.
Adam was seen in the midcredit scene in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, so I would say that it is possible that the Captain Marvel movie is a setup to introduce Adam.
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They already said they aren't introducing Captain Marvel and Adam Warlock at the same time. Warlock is GotG3.
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Adam Warlock wont be in the MCU till GotG3 probably. Captain Marvel is a movie set in the 90s. It wont introduce Warlock.
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masterpug53 posted...

BloodyNate posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

I dont think its the time stone.

For one, time travel is kind of a dumb plot device and Im tired of seeing it and I think Marvel is a better smarter than that

For another, the only guy (aside from Thanos) who we know can control the stone is Dr. Strange, and hes gone

I think its the soul stone. I think Tony is going to sacrifice himself to it in order to recover the lives lost to it

Honestly? I think it's going to take all six of the OG Avengers sacrificing themselves to undo the snap. Doesn't strike me as a coincidence that there's six of them and six stones; they will likely contrive some reason why they need to combine all their energy and all the stones together to revert the dusted ones (similar to the exposition flashback in GotG concerning the ancient group who tried and failed to control the stones). From a cynical standpoint, most of those actors want out by now (and I don't blame them, no matter how much money is thrown at them, these movies and especially the necessary promotion circuits must be exhausting), and just having one of them meet their end in IW 2 won't be enough to match IW's emotional impact.

I could buy that. Id be interested to see how they do it

I don't think they'll kill off the entire original lineup
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So replace Warlock with Captain Marvel, problem solved.
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I've seen some weak theories on each stone going to a member of the OG Avengers for reasons like
Power going to Hulk because of his strength
Time to Cap because of him being frozen in time
Space to Thor I guess for Asgard being in space
Mind to Stark for being the smartest

I don't remember the reasons for the other two but I can't see reality making sense for Clint or Widow
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

I've seen some weak theories on each stone going to a member of the OG Avengers for reasons like
Power going to Hulk because of his strength
Time to Cap because of him being frozen in time
Space to Thor I guess for Asgard being in space
Mind to Stark for being the smartest

I don't remember the reasons for the other two but I can't see reality making sense for Clint or Widow

It would have to be Hulk or Thor to hold the death stone presumably.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

My issue is that, after something on the scale of Infinity War, everything else is just going to seem small-time by comparison. This definitely feels like the high-water mark of the MCU

Black Panther was relatively small scale and still did great. And Homecoming really.
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

I don't remember the reasons for the other two but I can't see reality making sense for Clint or Widow

Reality Stone to Natasha because her abilities are the most grounded.

Soul Stone to Clint because brother is smooth.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

My issue is that, after something on the scale of Infinity War, everything else is just going to seem small-time by comparison. This definitely feels like the high-water mark of the MCU

They've specifically said that A4 is supposed to feel like an ending to the current era, and from here out things are going to start off small again and may even stay small.

A lot*
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Zikten posted...

alot of people hated the ending

Is this another one of those anecdotes that you frequently pull out of your ass

BloodyNate posted...

death stone

wat
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I_Stay_Noided posted...

BloodyNate posted...

death stone

wat

I couldn't tell if he meant the Soul Stone or Power Stone.
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Axiom posted...

Zikten posted...

alot of people hated the ending

Is this another one of those anecdotes that you frequently pull out of your ass

Idk, everyone in the theater booed the ending when I saw it, and I also thought it was pretty lame. It's obvious that most if not all are going to come back and it took away the emotional power from those that died earlier in the film
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masterpug53 posted...

I_Stay_Noided posted...

BloodyNate posted...

death stone

wat

I couldn't tell if he meant the Soul Stone or Power Stone.

Sorry, I did mean power stone, my bad

I think a better ending would've been to fade away those who we didn't know had upcoming movies. Like if we knew GotG, Spiderman, et. al. had upcoming movies, then just leave them alive and kill off some others who didn't necessarily have upcoming sequels. Would've been more believable and not an obvious sign that they're coming back in A4.
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Did Zikten ever see Black Panther or is he still upset about how good it's still doing because it has black stars
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I wish they had the rights to Galactus. Thanos plan to wipe out half the universe could have been to power up the gauntlet (soul gem) to be strong enough to destroy Galactus.

First 10 years of Marvel movies dedicated to setting up Thanos, next 10 years dedicated to Galactus

Avengers defeat Thanos and destroy the gems, most of the damage is undone. Actors that wanted out have their characters permanently killed off.

But now the Avengers know of the threat coming to devour their galaxy.
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Galactus is part of the deal with Fox

MabusIncarnate posted...

I think a lot of people speculate that the time stone will make things right, plus there is a confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Spiderman 2 upcoming, and considering the success, Black Panther is likely going to have a 2nd film. Looking at that fact alone, it's hard to imagine all those films will be set prior to the events of Infinity War.

What if they all do though? Like they all lead up to infinity war part 1 and explain why people were where they were at the start of the movie
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RE_expert44 posted...

What if they all do though? Like they all lead up to infinity war part 1 and explain why people were where they were at the start of the movie

Why? Everyone is where they were at the end of their movies.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

I think a better ending would've been to fade away those who we didn't know had upcoming movies. Like if we knew GotG, Spiderman, et. al. had upcoming movies, then just leave them alive and kill off some others who didn't necessarily have upcoming sequels. Would've been more believable and not an obvious sign that they're coming back in A4.

But then you'd be left with a bunch of characters who'd be safe in the next movie.
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RE_expert44 posted...

What if they all do though?

All time between Civil War and Avengers 3 is accounted for Black Panther so unless you're also making the argument that BP2 is about T'Chaka then it makes no sense for it to be before Avengers 3.

THAT SAID Black Panther 2 has not been officially confirmed and any source that says it has been is lying.

Spider-Man Homcoming 2 has wiggle room but if GotG3 has Adam Warlock but it's also before Avengers 3 then they're going to have since very hard explaining to do why he wasn't helping with Thanos.
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They're never going to keep the cliffhanger.

Like every single movie in the future would have to reference characters who disappeared. It would impact everyone. It's not gonna happen. Most of these movies are self-contained.
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The only movies confirmed are

Avengers 4
Guardians 3
Spiderman 2

Zikten posted...

The only movies confirmed are

Avengers 4
Guardians 3
Spiderman 2

Well that + Captain Marvel + Ant-Man and the Wasp
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Oh yeah sorry, was thinking about post Avengers 4

Darmik posted...

They're never going to keep the cliffhanger.

Like every single movie in the future would have to reference characters who disappeared. It would impact everyone. It's not gonna happen. Most of these movies are self-contained.

This. Having half the galaxy killed off is too monumental and far-reaching a thing to make permanent while maintaining an ongoing MCU. 'Miles Morales steps in to stop a new Dock Ock from creating a superweapon? Who honestly cares about such petty shit, half the universe was wiped out!' There would be absolutely no sense of opening-act normalcy necessary to build upon for future MCU movies.
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