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CableZL
05/07/18 5:07:24 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
The guy who punched him
The guy was friends with the guy who punched him (who didn't colaborate the martin stuff)
And the bartender who said Zimmerman didn't like the tattoo.

That's what the "Multiple witnesses" were.


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CableZL
05/07/18 5:13:03 PM
#53:


UnfairRepresent posted...
For example did you know that following the trial Zimmerman has been attacked repeated, had people attempt to murder him and people called George Zimmerman who aren't even him have also been harrased, attacked and threatened?


I did know this.

Did you know that he also saved a man's life following the trial?


I did know this.

Did you also know that Stand your Ground laws had nothing to do with the trial and basic self-defense laws the same everywhere in the western world would garner the same result?


I did know this.

But these facts don't fit your narrative, so you ignore them


I'm not disputing the outcome of the trial. I'm just saying he's a douchebag based on his reported actions. It's not someone else's fault that he's stalking/harassing a private investigator. It's his fault. He brought this on himself.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 5:20:21 PM
#54:


CableZL posted...

I'm not disputing the outcome of the trial. I'm just saying he's a douchebag based on his reported actions.


Don't attribute to malice what can be easily attributed to stupidity.

Nothing points to Zimmerman being a bad guy, just to him being a dopey guy who has been fucked over so many times his already questionable brain is scrambled.

Just be aware that you're suckling at a media story, not reality. You're on par with the religious, flat earthers, people who believe Donald Trump when he says the media is lying and he has the biggest crowds.

When you're faced with facts and evidence and go "Well disregard that, I don't care because I hate this guy I've never met because an article (my Bible) headline told he did a bad thing and my friends and people I hang around with who are all like minded to me all agree! even though there's no proof and everyone involved denied it!" you're no different than The Admiral or Kineth saying that Obama caused the Korean War or something stupid because they want it to be true.

Zimmerman is millions in debt, harrased daily, his family is harrased, people try to attack him, people try to kill him, he can barely go out in public and all because he didn't let a man murder him for no reason.

Anyone who can't comprehend why that might a guy unstable and feel sympathy for the way society has purposefully lied to abuse him is thinking emotionally, not logically.

Question everything and reach conclusions based on the events. Don't reach a conclusion and then decide retroactively events will justify the conclusion no matter what.

Do me a favor, follow this story. Look it up on different websites from time to time. I can almost garantee this is going to happen:

Zimmerman will go and have his name/face paraded in the mud.
Then the last second before anything proceeds further all the charges will be dropped and the PI will recant the story
Then the "documentary" will use it as evidence that Zimmerman and his family are douches.

When that happens, think of me and go "Huh, maybe that guy had a point." And question the next clickbait title you fall for.
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MC_BatCommander
05/07/18 5:21:15 PM
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cjsdowg
05/07/18 5:23:14 PM
#56:


In trouble with the cops once more. Once more Zimmerman is shown to be violent nut case. But hey he was just a meek guy who did not say or do anything to scare Martin after he chased him.
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HiddenLurker
05/07/18 5:23:57 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
From day one, the whole "he didn't follow the dispatcher's advice" argument has never made.

^^^
Lol don't know if serious or trolling.
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darkjedilink
05/07/18 5:25:24 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Hes a murderer and it was a mistake finding him innocent just because his victim couldnt testify

Are you aware that every shred of physical evidence supports Zimmerman's claims?
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cjsdowg
05/07/18 5:26:01 PM
#59:


The guy was forced to shoot a teenager in self defense. That will mess people up in the head.
It's the fat upper kitty area, and if you got one I wanna marry ya!


He was known for his violent actions before he chased and killed a kid. But hey it doesn't matter that he lied and changed his story, right ?
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CableZL
05/07/18 5:28:28 PM
#60:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Don't attribute to malice what can be easily attributed to stupidity.


Stupidity and malice don't necessarily exist apart from each other.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Nothing points to Zimmerman being a bad guy, just to him being a dopey guy who has been f***ed over so many times his already questionable brain is scrambled.


Eh, I'd say that assuming someone who is walking home in your neighborhood is a criminal is a bit douchey, but whatever.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Just be aware that you're suckling at a media story, not reality.

UnfairRepresent posted...
You're on par with the religious, flat earthers, people who believe Donald Trump when he says the media is lying and he has the biggest crowds.


You're saying the media is lying without providing sources to the contrary, but claiming I'm on par with "religious, flat earthers, people who believe Donald Trump when he says the media is lying and he has the biggest crowds." Are you for real?

UnfairRepresent posted...
Zimmerman is millions in debt, harrased daily, his family is harrased, people try to attack him, people try to kill him, he can barely go out in public and all because he didn't let a man murder him for no reason.

Anyone who can't comprehend why that might a guy unstable and feel sympathy for the way society has purposefully lied to abuse him is thinking emotionally, not logically.


Again, it's a situation he created himself. If he never chose to follow Trayvon Martin, nobody would even know who he is. I don't really have much sympathy for him.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Do me a favor, follow this story. Look it up on different websites from time to time. I can almost garantee this is going to happen:


I literally gave you two different web sites that said multiple witnesses confirmed he was bragging about killing Travyon Martin, but you haven't provided a source to the contrary yet. How about you follow your own advice?
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 5:37:16 PM
#61:


CableZL posted...


Stupidity and malice don't necessarily exist apart from each other.

Kinda do

CableZL posted...

Eh, I'd say that assuming someone who is walking home in your neighborhood is a criminal is a bit douchey,

That's because again, you don't know the facts or are ignoring them. You're intentionally ignorant of basic context just to be mad at the guy

CableZL posted...

I literally gave you two different web sites that said multiple witnesses confirmed he was bragging about killing Travyon Martin, but you haven't provided a source to the contrary yet. How about you follow your own advice?

Because I do. I followed the story when it happened. I read the witness accounts. There were only 3. Your own sources you posted said it. "Multiple witnesses saw Zimmerman talk to this guy and then walk off and sit peacefully. But then they all say different things. The biased as fuck one says something sensational, the neutral one doesn't."

Don't insult our intelligence by pretending you don't see that.

CableZL posted...


Again, it's a situation he created himself. If he never chose to follow Trayvon Martin, nobody would even know who he is. I don't really have much sympathy for him.

"If she chose not to wear that sexy dress she wouldn't have been gang-raped and killed in a ditch. I don't have much sympathy for her!"

Your logic is grotesque and you know it.You only accept the justification because you're working backwards from "I hate this guy and need to make it okay to hate him!"

"If he didn't do a mundane thing then he wouldn't have been there to have people commit serious crimes against him!" is fucking stupid.
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TheVipaGTS
05/07/18 5:37:49 PM
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Why do you guys waste time with UR?
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 5:45:30 PM
#64:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Why do you guys waste time with UR?

Because I'm usually right and always interesting.
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cjsdowg
05/07/18 5:45:58 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...

Hasn't this already been established? He wasn't required to follow the dispatcher's advice. If he had been advised to stay in bed that day, there wouldn't have been a confrontation either. Basically it's hindsight bias.


It is not hindsight bias, since the rules of Watch say that you don't follow people. So the police who explained the duties of the watch, have already told him not to follow people.
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Even if you don't follow the dispatcher's advice, and doing so puts you in a sticky situation, you still have the right to shoot somebody in self defense.


So even after all of the crimes and run in with police Zimmerman has had you still think he was acting in self defense. Even when he CHANGED his story more than once ?
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CableZL
05/07/18 5:45:59 PM
#66:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Kinda do


No, one and/or one's actions can be both stupid and malicious.

UnfairRepresent posted...
That's because again, you don't know the facts or are ignoring them. You're intentionally ignorant of basic context just to be mad at the guy


The entire "Trayvon Martin incident" started because George Zimmerman assumed Trayvon was some criminal and followed him. In reality Trayvon Martin was just walking home.

UnfairRepresent posted...
"If she chose not to wear that sexy dress she wouldn't have been gang-raped and killed in a ditch. I don't have much sympathy for her!"


That is a terrible analogy and you know it. A woman wearing a sexy dress and getting gang raped and killed isn't comparable to Zimmerman assuming someone walking home is a criminal and following him.

In your analogy: The woman chooses to wear a sexy dress. The woman didn't choose to be gang raped or killed. Zimmerman himself chose to assume Trayvon Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman himself chose to follow Trayvon Martin. Trayvon chose to fight Zimmerman, and Zimmerman chose to kill Trayvon in self defense. If you can't see how those two things are different, then you're delusional.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Because I do. I followed the story when it happened. I read the witness accounts. There were only 3. Your own sources you posted said it. "Multiple witnesses saw Zimmerman talk to this guy and then walk off and sit peacefully. But then they all say different things. The biased as f*** one says something sensational, the neutral one doesn't."

Don't insult our intelligence by pretending you don't see that.


Neither web site I posted said "multiple witnesses saw Zimmerman talk to this guy then walk off and sit peacefully." That was Zimmerman's account of what happened, and the articles mention several witnesses contradicting his account of the events.

Reading comprehension must be something you struggle with.
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kingdrake2
05/07/18 5:46:17 PM
#67:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Why do you guys waste time with UR?


we ponder that all the time, WHY? he's good entertainment for the first few rounds.
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HagenEx
05/07/18 5:47:45 PM
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Read that as "Hans Zimmerman" and imagined him chasing that PI to Inception's OST.
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CableZL
05/07/18 5:47:52 PM
#69:


UnfairRepresent posted...
"If he didn't do a mundane thing then he wouldn't have been there to have people commit serious crimes against him!" is f***ing stupid.


It's not stupid, it's a fact. If Zimmerman took a second to think about the situation instead of assuming Trayvon Martin was a criminal, he never would have followed him in the first place. If he chose not to follow Trayvon Martin, then Trayvon would have never been annoyed at being followed by him.

Trayvon Martin should have just kept walking home instead of fighting him. There's fault on both sides in that situation.
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darkjedilink
05/07/18 5:48:56 PM
#70:


cjsdowg posted...
fenderbender321 posted...

Hasn't this already been established? He wasn't required to follow the dispatcher's advice. If he had been advised to stay in bed that day, there wouldn't have been a confrontation either. Basically it's hindsight bias.


It is not hindsight bias, since the rules of Watch say that you don't follow people. So the police who explained the duties of the watch, have already told him not to follow people.
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Even if you don't follow the dispatcher's advice, and doing so puts you in a sticky situation, you still have the right to shoot somebody in self defense.


So even after all of the crimes and run in with police Zimmerman has had you still think he was acting in self defense. Even when he CHANGED his story more than once ?

The evidence and eyewitness testimony proves it was self-defense.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 5:52:46 PM
#71:


CableZL posted...

It's not stupid, it's a fact.

And it's also a fact that if she didn't wear the pretty dress she wouldn't have been raped.

IT's also fucking atrciously disturbing and grotesque victim blaming logic.

If Zimmerman's mother hadn't give birth the crime wouldn't have happened either.

If Trayvon wasn't out at night trying to get high it wouldn't have happened.

Mundane actions that led to the players being in the location when the crime occured don't justify the crime

You know this

CableZL posted...
If Zimmerman took a second to think about the situation instead of assuming Trayvon Martin was a criminal, he never would have followed him in the first place.


You don't even know the basic context of the event

If he chose not to follow Trayvon Martin, then Trayvon would have never been annoyed at being followed by him.


Victim blaming

Trayvon Martin should have just kept walking home instead of fighting him.

Travyon did just that.

He got home, lost Zimmerman. Then turned around, went after Zimmerman, hid in a bush and ambushed him.

What are you on about?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 5:53:11 PM
#72:


George Zimmerman is a fucking thug.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 5:56:03 PM
#73:


CableZL posted...

No, one and/or one's actions can be both stupid and malicious.


Sometimes but one's actions can be sexy and monotone. However its not common.
CableZL posted...

That is a terrible analogy and you know it. A woman wearing a sexy dress and getting gang raped and killed isn't comparable to Zimmerman assuming someone walking home is a criminal and following him.


Why not?

In your analogy: The woman chooses to wear a sexy dress. The woman didn't choose to be gang raped or killed. Zimmerman himself chose to assume Trayvon Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman himself chose to follow Trayvon Martin.

So?

This just reads as "I don't like Zimmeran's choice, therefore it's okay to victim blame." Saudi Arabia would agree with you. Only with the dress.

CableZL posted...

The entire "Trayvon Martin incident" started because George Zimmerman assumed Trayvon was some criminal and followed him. In reality Trayvon Martin was just walking home.


1. So?

2. You're intentionally as usual ignoring all the facts as to why this clickbait isn't as unreasonable as you are pretending it is
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gamepimp12
05/07/18 5:58:20 PM
#74:


UnfairRepresent posted...
CableZL posted...

I'm not disputing the outcome of the trial. I'm just saying he's a douchebag based on his reported actions.


Don't attribute to malice what can be easily attributed to stupidity.

Nothing points to Zimmerman being a bad guy, just to him being a dopey guy who has been fucked over so many times his already questionable brain is scrambled.

Just be aware that you're suckling at a media story, not reality. You're on par with the religious, flat earthers, people who believe Donald Trump when he says the media is lying and he has the biggest crowds.

When you're faced with facts and evidence and go "Well disregard that, I don't care because I hate this guy I've never met because an article (my Bible) headline told he did a bad thing and my friends and people I hang around with who are all like minded to me all agree! even though there's no proof and everyone involved denied it!" you're no different than The Admiral or Kineth saying that Obama caused the Korean War or something stupid because they want it to be true.

Zimmerman is millions in debt, harrased daily, his family is harrased, people try to attack him, people try to kill him, he can barely go out in public and all because he didn't let a man murder him for no reason.

Anyone who can't comprehend why that might a guy unstable and feel sympathy for the way society has purposefully lied to abuse him is thinking emotionally, not logically.

Question everything and reach conclusions based on the events. Don't reach a conclusion and then decide retroactively events will justify the conclusion no matter what.

Do me a favor, follow this story. Look it up on different websites from time to time. I can almost garantee this is going to happen:

Zimmerman will go and have his name/face paraded in the mud.
Then the last second before anything proceeds further all the charges will be dropped and the PI will recant the story
Then the "documentary" will use it as evidence that Zimmerman and his family are douches.

When that happens, think of me and go "Huh, maybe that guy had a point." And question the next clickbait title you fall for.


Thats a lot of faith you have in Zimmermans character

Wish you And others had that for Trayvon
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:00:32 PM
#75:


gamepimp12 posted...


Thats a lot of faith you have in Zimmermans character

Wish you And others had that for Trayvon

Attempting to murder people in the street kinda kills your character.

I have sympathy for Trayvon in that he was a kid and it's a tragedy that someone so young did such stupid actions to get himself killed. But It bothers me a lot that people try to justify his attempted murder just to create a juicy story to hate on the victim.

And it would bother you too if you weren't already duped.
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:00:52 PM
#76:


UnfairRepresent posted...
And it's also a fact that if she didn't wear the pretty dress she wouldn't have been raped.

IT's also f***ing atrciously disturbing and grotesque victim blaming logic.

If Zimmerman's mother hadn't give birth the crime wouldn't have happened either.

If Trayvon wasn't out at night trying to get high it wouldn't have happened.

Mundane actions that led to the players being in the location when the crime occured don't justify the crime


Assuming someone who is walking home is a criminal and choosing to follow them isn't a "mundane action." You need to look up the definition of the word mundane.

adjective
1.
common; ordinary; banal; unimaginative.

People don't commonly or ordinarily see someone walking home, decide they're a suspicious criminal, then proceed to follow them around.

UnfairRepresent posted...
You don't even know the basic context of the event


UnfairRepresent posted...
Victim blaming


Victim blaming would be me blaming him for getting beat up by Trayvon Martin. That's Trayvon Martin's fault. I'm not disputing the idea that he killed Trayvon Martin in self defense. I'm saying he's a douchebag for assuming Trayvon Martin was some suspicious criminal and following him in the first place.

Compartmentalization. The erroneous assumption and following = douchebag behavior on Zimmerman's part. The fight = douchebag behavior on Martin's part. The killing = justified self defense.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Travyon did just that.

He got home, lost Zimmerman. Then turned around, went after Zimmerman, hid in a bush and ambushed him.

What are you on about?


Then I'll modify my statement to say that Trayvon Martin should have just gone inside when he got home. It's a distinction without a difference in regard to what I'm talking about, though.
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Polycosm
05/07/18 6:01:48 PM
#77:


Zimmerman is a menace to society. He wasn't 100% to blame for Trayvon's death-- both men actively chose to escalate the situation-- but I would put 50% on him, minimum. I absolutely believe he's going to get someone hurt again. His threats should be taken seriously and litigated as such.
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:02:06 PM
#78:


Polycosm posted...
Zimmerman is a menace to society. He wasn't 100% to blame for Trayvon's death-- both men actively chose to escalate the situation-- but I would put 50% on him, minimum. I absolutely believe he's going to get someone hurt again. His threats should be taken seriously and litigated as such.


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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:10:16 PM
#79:


CableZL posted...


Then I'll modify my statement to say that Trayvon Martin should have just gone inside when he got home. It's a distinction without a difference in regard to what I'm talking about, though.

I don't agree even slightly.

You're trying to argue that Zimmerman walking down a public street is equal too and comparable justification for beating a man to death in the street

That's madness and you know it's madness.

Polycosm posted...
both men actively chose to escalate the situation-- but I would put 50% on him

Thats absolutely insane.

How is it even 1% him? If Travyon had gone home or not commited crimes. Nothing would have happened.

Stop working backwards

CableZL posted...


Victim blaming would be me blaming him for getting beat up by Trayvon Martin. That's Trayvon Martin's fault. I'm not disputing the idea that he killed Trayvon Martin in self defense. I'm saying he's a douchebag for assuming Trayvon Martin was some suspicious criminal and following him in the first place.


No that's still victim blaming.

"Well if he hadn't walked down that public street he wouldn't have been beaten to death so it's his fault he was beaten to death an he deserved it." is madness.

CableZL posted...


Assuming someone who is walking home is a criminal and choosing to follow them isn't a "mundane action." You need to look up the definition of the word mundane.

adjective
1.
common; ordinary; banal; unimaginative.

People don't commonly or ordinarily see someone walking home, decide they're a suspicious criminal, then proceed to follow them around.


Walking down a public street is all of those things.

And you're as usual intentionally ignoring all of the facts of why Zimmerman's actions are much more reasonable than you're implying.

On top of that, this is still victim blaming.

"Well if Zimmerman hadn't looked at Martin he wouldn't have been beaten to death so he deseved it" is fucking stupid and IS equal to "Well if she hadn't worn that dress." "If that kid hadn't accepted that candy."

It's absolutely grotesque logic and exactly the reason why IMO arguing topics like this is so important. Your attitude is incredibly disturbing and you know it is but pretend otherwise because you're predetermined to justify hating "the bad guy."
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Zikten
05/07/18 6:16:01 PM
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MedzXVIII
05/07/18 6:17:41 PM
#81:


Philoktetes posted...
isn't it private investigator's job to stalk people

guess they can't handle it when the tables are turned

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Smashingpmkns
05/07/18 6:19:28 PM
#82:


George Zimmerman is a piece of shit. He's not some innocent dude that just so happens to get involved in all of these dilemmas. He looks for trouble. A rational person would have reported this PI if he was actually harassing him, especially with Zimmerman's history.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:21:40 PM
#83:


Smashingpmkns posted...
George Zimmerman is a piece of shit. He's not some innocent dude that just so happens to get involved in all of these dilemmas. He looks for trouble. A rational person would have reported this PI if he was actually harassing him, especially with Zimmerman's history.

And you know that he didn't do just that because.......
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:25:06 PM
#84:


Today I learned: Erroneously Assuming someone is a criminal and choosing to follow them is just "walking down a public street."
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 6:26:11 PM
#85:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
George Zimmerman is a piece of shit. He's not some innocent dude that just so happens to get involved in all of these dilemmas. He looks for trouble. A rational person would have reported this PI if he was actually harassing him, especially with Zimmerman's history.

And you know that he didn't do just that because.......


Because sigless user logic or he was never seen again? My guess is one of those 2 options.
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ledbowman
05/07/18 6:30:06 PM
#86:


First stalking Trayvon, now this.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:32:18 PM
#87:


CableZL posted...
Today I learned: Erroneously Assuming someone is a criminal and choosing to follow them is just "walking down a public street."

It wasn't an error, Trayon moments later attempted to murder someone.... so...

And yeah in this context other than semantics, how is it different?

And how does it justify trayvon attempting to murder him?

I don't get your point of "Zimmerman thought a guy was supsicious, therefore its fair enough that he was beaten up and deserved it." is just victim blaming "She wore a pretty dress" nonsense.

Again, pure emotion. No actual point or facts
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Smashingpmkns
05/07/18 6:32:57 PM
#88:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
George Zimmerman is a piece of shit. He's not some innocent dude that just so happens to get involved in all of these dilemmas. He looks for trouble. A rational person would have reported this PI if he was actually harassing him, especially with Zimmerman's history.

And you know that he didn't do just that because.......


If he did he should have stopped there instead of threatening and stalking this PI. But he most likely didn't. We can wait for the arraignment. Hell, I'll bet you a line in my sig.
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:34:05 PM
#89:


UnfairRepresent posted...
And how does it justify trayvon attempting to murder him?

I never said or implied it did. I've been eating this whole topic that both of them are at fault for different things.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:39:30 PM
#90:


CableZL posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
And how does it justify trayvon attempting to murder him?

I never said or implied it did
both of them are at fault


Jesus Christ, If I made that post up as a joke people would get angry at me saying it's too unrealistic in that nobody would ever be emotional enough to say it.

You can't say you're not victim blaming, Trayvon is unjustified and Zimmerman is 50% at fault. That's contractory.

If you're claiming Zimmerman is at fault for Trayvon trying to murder him because he was standing there after walking down a public street then you are victim blaming.

Again, the hoops you jump through to just to fight wildly in order to not challenge your views is equal to that of fundamental religion. Can't you see that?
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:39:46 PM
#91:


UnfairRepresent posted...
It wasn't an error, Trayon moments later attempted to murder someone.... so...

It was an error. He assumed Trayvon was a criminal when he was simply walking home from the store.

Walking home from the store is an example of a mundane action, by the way. Assuming someone who is walking home from the store is a criminal and choosing to follow them is not.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:40:31 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...


If he did he should have stopped there instead of threatening and stalking this PI.

Allegedly*

Like the other things he allegedly did which where then dropped and recanted the moment someone had to prove it.
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:42:36 PM
#93:


UnfairRepresent posted...
You can't say you're not victim blaming, Trayvon is unjustified and Zimmerman is 50% at fault. That's contractory.


I'm blaming each individual for their actions that led to the situation. That's not the same as blaming a woman wearing a sexy dress for getting gang raped and murdered.

Wearing a sexy dress doesn't warrant gang rape or murder.
Following someone doesn't warrant getting beat up.
Walking home from the store doesn't warrant getting followed.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:44:03 PM
#94:


CableZL posted...

It was an error. He assumed Trayvon was a criminal when he was simply walking home from the store.


But...

1. Trayvon was a criminal.

2. There's no evidence Zimmerman thought he was, just that he suspected he might be supicious. Which was Zimmy's job.

3. There is enormous context for why this was a rational action.

4. This has nothing to do with anything.

Walking home from the store is an example of a mundane action, by the way. Assuming someone who is walking home from the store is a criminal and choosing to follow them is not.


I'm not sure I agree with this at all.

And either way it doesn't justify any of Trayvons crimes nor does it mean anything in terms of zimmerman walking down a public street.
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Smashingpmkns
05/07/18 6:44:41 PM
#95:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...


If he did he should have stopped there instead of threatening and stalking this PI.

Allegedly*

Like the other things he allegedly did which where then dropped and recanted the moment someone had to prove it.


Court records show the private investigator received 55 phone calls, 67 text messages, 36 voicemails and 27 emails from Zimmerman in December.


Must have been calling and texting just to make small talk probz
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:46:00 PM
#96:


CableZL posted...

I'm blaming each individual for their actions that led to the situation. That's not the same as blaming a woman wearing a sexy dress for getting gang raped and murdered.

Yes it is.

"If you hadn't walked down that public street you wouldn't have been standing there to have some one attempt to murder you." literally is victim blaming and nonsense on par with pretty dress rape

It's literally the same exact thing. only difference is you want to hate Zimmerman so you accept it in this context. Which is grotesque.
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:49:51 PM
#97:


UnfairRepresent posted...
1. Trayvon was a criminal.

What criminal activity was he participating in that warranted him getting followed?

UnfairRepresent posted...
2. There's no evidence Zimmerman thought he was, just that he suspected he might be supicious. Which was Zimmy's job.


His job was to report suspicious activity to the police. Following him was not a part of his job.

UnfairRepresent posted...

3. There is enormous context for why this was a rational action.


What context justifies following someone who is walking home from the store?
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CableZL
05/07/18 6:51:01 PM
#98:


UnfairRepresent posted...
CableZL posted...

I'm blaming each individual for their actions that led to the situation. That's not the same as blaming a woman wearing a sexy dress for getting gang raped and murdered.

Yes it is.

"If you hadn't walked down that public street you wouldn't have been standing there to have some one attempt to murder you." literally is victim blaming and nonsense on par with pretty dress rape

It's literally the same exact thing. only difference is you want to hate Zimmerman so you accept it in this context. Which is grotesque.

It's not the exact same thing. I'm not blaming him for getting beat up to the point where he felt he needed to use his gun. I blaming him for following someone who is just walking home from the store.
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UnfairRepresent
05/07/18 6:57:52 PM
#99:


CableZL posted...

What criminal activity was he participating in that warranted him getting followed?

How much is the tea in China?

CableZL posted...


His job was to report suspicious activity to the police. Following him was not a part of his job.


That's debatable.

Either way, Zimmerman broke no laws, hurt no one and just walked down a public street. It has no effect on how you judge any following action.

CableZL posted...


What context justifies following someone who is walking home from the store?


It was a gated community where everyone pretty much knew each other. Was less than 20% black with no one Trayvon's age living there or at least that looked like him.

There had been a slew of groups of black teens Trayvon's age, size and apperance robbing places at night in recent times.

Zimmerman had seen them on several occasions and called the police but by the time the police had arrived they had long since got away. Over and over and over and over again.

This time It's the middle of the night and raining, some one who Zimmerman doesn't know who he thought didnt live there (Trayvon had only just come there due to his violence in school) in a hoodie acting suspciously and shouting at him.

Zimmerman is concerned so he informs the police, but Trayvon is getting away like the other guys did. So Zimmerman kept an eye on him, never left a public street. Then was ambushed.

Now you can agree or disagree with the actions in terms of intelligence but its not nearly as unreasonable as the clickbait implies, nor is it relevant at all as a sick victim blaming defense to say Zimmerman deserved to be attacked for walking down a public street.

Trying to blame any of Trayvon's assult on Zimmerman for existing is absolutely vitcim blaming and completely wrong.


It's not the exact same thing.
I'm not blaming him
I blaming him


Victim blaming.

Zimmerman is not at fault for Trayvon attacking him. there is no cause or justification for it
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05/07/18 6:58:23 PM
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Spooking posted...
Roshon posted...
Warren was reportedly looking for people to participate in a documentary about Trayvon Martin

Um... Trayvon attacked George and George defended himself. Do we really need a documentary for that?

They gotta give more fuel to the fire. They should have zim zam and played by a 400 pound, bald skinhead with nazi tattoos who drives down the street in his lifted truck,chugging some jim beam.

Then he spots tray tray sitting at a patio table, quietly sipping iced tea and reading a bible. Zimbabwe gets out of his truck, walks up to Trayvon and places a double barrel to the back of his head. Then he says "any last words?". Tv tray says "I forgive you...". Then jesus himself comes down and smites zimzim but not before he pulls the trigger.

The movie ends with jesus cradling Martin and crying while everyone in the city gathers around and weeps. An after the credits scene shows georgy boy in hell being tortured by the devil.
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