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The_Juice_
05/13/18 12:00:03 AM
#51:


Dead sea is the best part for sure

Also ends with a bit of a roadblock boss for a lot of people.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 12:10:43 AM
#52:


The_Juice_ posted...
Dead sea is the best part for sure

Also ends with a bit of a roadblock boss for a lot of people.

Yeah, you could say that. I think I'm getting the hang of the fight, but there's a stupid amount of cutscene you have to wait through for every attempt.
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Ricemills
05/13/18 12:16:00 AM
#53:


just remember to defend at the end of LinkSerge's turn (6 stamina to attack, then defend), because he is very vulnerable to the boss.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 12:16:29 AM
#54:


Ricemills posted...
just remember to defend at the end of LinkSerge's turn (6 stamina to attack, then defend), because he is very vulnerable to the boss.

Should I use any elements whatsoever?
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Ricemills
05/13/18 12:17:42 AM
#55:


Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
just remember to defend at the end of LinkSerge's turn (6 stamina to attack, then defend), because he is very vulnerable to the boss.

Should I use any elements whatsoever?


any element except white to disrupt the field to become all white.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 12:19:27 AM
#56:


Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
just remember to defend at the end of LinkSerge's turn (6 stamina to attack, then defend), because he is very vulnerable to the boss.

Should I use any elements whatsoever?


any element except white to disrupt the field to become all white.

I should clarify: Should I use any elements whatsoever with Lynx?
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Ricemills
05/13/18 12:21:44 AM
#57:


Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
just remember to defend at the end of LinkSerge's turn (6 stamina to attack, then defend), because he is very vulnerable to the boss.

Should I use any elements whatsoever?


any element except white to disrupt the field to become all white.

I should clarify: Should I use any elements whatsoever with Lynx?


if you use an element with Lynx, make sure the other characters still have some stamina left so lynx can recover enough stamina to defend after the others done their turn.
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The_Juice_
05/13/18 12:22:52 AM
#58:


He is weak to dark.

And field also weakens the opposing elements so tossing dark in there makes stuff like HolyDrgSwd or whatever it's called hurt less.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 12:34:51 AM
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Ricemills
05/13/18 12:39:59 AM
#60:


Gratz. now prepare to be heart broken.

it still upset me that you can't bring Leena for this battle. i just want her to meet him for one last time.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 1:06:56 AM
#61:


I might feel more for Miguel if he wasn't such a pain to fight.
Oh man, shit's getting real. I have to prevent Lavos from destroying the world again? Dragon? What?
That's a good-ass CG cutscene. Excellent use of rumble, too.
I just love how they incorporated the Determination theme from CT into the wold map theme for Home World.
Switching my party to Van and Sneff, just to try them out.
Van... has the second-highest strength of any character I have available? The fuck?
Nothing too special about Sneff, but I'm sure he'll be fun to keep around regardless.
Going to Another World, no cutscene for poor ol' Lynx? RIP.
Pfft, "Boy, am I in a major FIX!" while looking directly at the camera.
Would like an idea as to how far into Disc 1 I am and how long Disc 2 is by comparison. I'm over 20 hours in at this point.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 1:37:12 AM
#62:


Oh shit, there's a safe room.
And dragoons!
Going with the pretty boy, obviously. Get the fuck out of here, Van.
...and I am suddenly too tired to continue.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 1:07:26 PM
#63:


Upgraded to a Stone Swallow and a Stone Axe.
Time to break in to Viper Manor! Again! Let's take the forest this time.
I actually know what to do this time, so let's fight this boss and...
well that was pathetic
they really didn't think i would come back here did they
And all of that was for... sneaking past the guards at the gate. Yay...
Guards that I forgot were on my side. Fucking hell.
Is that Sissel leaning up against the wall?
"Nice and firm, but a but smelly" ( )
That treasure room's a bit clever, but I'm not sure what Viper's Venom is. The Rainbow Shell would be pretty nice for crafting, though.
Dammit, I should have brought Norris along. The two would have annihilated.
what the fuck why is anyone related to korcha even remotely intimidating
Down into the depths we go.
Okay, these enemies are getting pretty beefy.
Ooh, I found an entrance in the kitchen.
These fuckers will not stop spamming their blue magic.
LMAO Karsh just summons a dragon out of nowhere and jousts an enemy
Well that's a clever little puz-WHAT THE FUCK
Everything about this boss is gross.
"BugKamikaze" WHAT
JitterBug is an absolute pain.
Even that death animation is grotesque, ugh.
Yo, Fargo! My man! Get outta here, Sneff.
Or not.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 1:56:25 PM
#64:


Boss after boss, this game doesn't let up.
Yo, HP Shuffle just turned Sneff into a tank.
EZPZ.
I'm not taking Orcha.
...except he's the single best magic user in my entire roster right now wtf
Fine, I'll very begrudgingly take him.
You know, Karsh, we might not be in this predicament if you just kept your damn mouth shut. Not that it matters, since we can easily tear through fodder.
Mystery Menu's animation is hilarious.
And yet another boss! They're just piling them on today.
These animations are too good. I can't get enough.
Let me guess, it kills him when he tries to get it moving.
Wow, who could have guessed?
And that's the fourth boss battle in a row, folks. Can we get a 5?
This guy has almost no defense.
well that was piss easy
Oh come on, no bridge fight? Would have been the perfect callback to Trigger.
...why is anyone scared of this tin can?
LMAO WHAT THIS IS SO DUMB
No idea what "hehehehe..." is but it sounds like fun.
It was fun. Murder is fun.
Grobyc, eh? Sounds like fun. Let's see what your stats are...
You're fast, accurate, and not much else. I guess I can switch you out for Karsh in a bit, but I'll wait.
Oh, hi, Radius. Want to meet Radius?
Sure, Riddel, why not join? Everyone's doing it.
...Kid? Is she evil, too?
That portrait is way less intimidating than the initial evil Serge portrait.
AYYYYY FARGO MY MAN
Viper, too? And Fargo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Iqr0L4bUms" data-time="

Going to do Viper and Fargo for now.
Oh please more Dead Sea visuals
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tiornys
05/13/18 2:21:11 PM
#65:


I bet Riddel has better Magic than Orcha. Can't blame you for going with Viper and Fargo though.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 2:33:12 PM
#66:


tiornys posted...
I bet Riddel has better Magic than Orcha. Can't blame you for going with Viper and Fargo though.

She doesn't. Orcha is the greatest mage ever, apparently.
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tiornys
05/13/18 2:45:52 PM
#67:


Interesting. Orcha must have rolled extremely well on his Magic. And/or everyone else who should be up there rolled poorly. He rates to be slightly above average for Magic, but not tops among the characters you currently have.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 2:49:05 PM
#68:


tiornys posted...
Interesting. Orcha must have rolled extremely well on his Magic. And/or everyone else who should be up there rolled poorly. He rates to be slightly above average for Magic, but not tops among the characters you currently have.

Oh, characters have random stats? That explains why Van was the second strongest character I had when I recruited him.
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tiornys
05/13/18 2:54:03 PM
#69:


Progression is random yes, although each character has pre-determined max potential stats. If they get way ahead of their average progression, that stat becomes less likely to get a boost. Similarly, if they get way behind that stat becomes more likely to get a boost.

On your first playthrough you only get partway through the total progression so there's plenty of room for randomness in which characters end up with top stats. The randomness in Serge's STR progression is actually a significant concern in speedruns of Chrono Cross.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 3:03:32 PM
#70:


tiornys posted...
Progression is random yes, although each character has pre-determined max potential stats. If they get way ahead of their average progression, that stat becomes less likely to get a boost. Similarly, if they get way behind that stat becomes more likely to get a boost.

On your first playthrough you only get partway through the total progression so there's plenty of room for randomness in which characters end up with top stats. The randomness in Serge's STR progression is actually a significant concern in speedruns of Chrono Cross.

Huh, good to know. Speaking of which, my Serge/Lynx is absolutely busted in that department. The only character stronger than him is Viper.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 3:13:26 PM
#71:


Why don't we use the S.S. Invincible instead of this crappy little boat?
Going back to Home World just because I want to talk to Fargo with Fargo, as it might convince him.
Hey, what do you know?
This is weird. This is very weird. Is that a ship on a body of water inside a ship on a body of water?
Hoo, is that a new attack?
"The forbidden deathblow unleashed from within"
ooh dis gun b gud
All right, let's save real quick because I remember these enemies being beefy as hell when I used them in the arena.
Genocide time!
Viper's Venom is literally just an anchor. That's pretty funny.
Genocide complete.
You want to join, Nikki? No? Come on...
AYYYY Miki finally joined. It's been 3,000 years...
And she's statistically better than Fargo in every way. Rotation time!
Going with Miki and Riddel this time.
EDIT: Nope, screw Riddel, she's useless.
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Ricemills
05/13/18 5:38:32 PM
#72:


you should take your units for random fights if you want to build their stats lol.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 5:42:24 PM
#73:


Ricemills posted...
you should take your units for random fights if you want to build their stats lol.

All I've really gotten is HP tbh
I'm pretty sure that units out of battle get stat boosts from random fights as well.
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Ricemills
05/13/18 5:52:36 PM
#74:


Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
you should take your units for random fights if you want to build their stats lol.

All I've really gotten is HP tbh
I'm pretty sure that units out of battle get stat boosts from random fights as well.


no, all character get boost from your star level. for extra stats you must take them into fights. that's why your Riddel's magic is lower than Korcha's.
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BignutzisBack
05/13/18 5:53:38 PM
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Garioshi
05/13/18 5:55:40 PM
#76:


Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
you should take your units for random fights if you want to build their stats lol.

All I've really gotten is HP tbh
I'm pretty sure that units out of battle get stat boosts from random fights as well.


no, all character get boost from your star level. for extra stats you must take them into fights. that's why your Riddel's magic is lower than Korcha's.

Huh. I took her to the El Nido triangle and fought nearly every enemy there, but she only gained 1 point of magic.
2 questions: Do all encounters count the same towards gaining stats, and is there a set number of stats that can be gained at a given star level?
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Ricemills
05/13/18 6:06:56 PM
#77:


Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
you should take your units for random fights if you want to build their stats lol.

All I've really gotten is HP tbh
I'm pretty sure that units out of battle get stat boosts from random fights as well.


no, all character get boost from your star level. for extra stats you must take them into fights. that's why your Riddel's magic is lower than Korcha's.

Huh. I took her to the El Nido triangle and fought nearly every enemy there, but she only gained 1 point of magic.
2 questions: Do all encounters count the same towards gaining stats, and is there a set number of stats that can be gained at a given star level?


it's kinda hard to explain, but i guess this topic covers about how the stat gain works.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/196917-chrono-cross/51159327
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Garioshi
05/13/18 8:59:29 PM
#78:


Getting back to playing. Where do I go?
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Ricemills
05/13/18 9:01:12 PM
#79:


check the dragon islands on both timelines.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 9:02:01 PM
#80:


Ricemills posted...
check the dragon islands on both timelines.

K. Assuming I'm going to need Fargo to steal, so I'm switching Riddel out for him.
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Garioshi
05/13/18 10:15:18 PM
#81:


Sky Dragon Island is first up. I stopped by the El Nido Triangle first and got a Star Fragment, which, according to an NPC, is exactly what I need to progress.
Oh, there's a chest in the center. Wonder what could b-WHAAAAAAAAAAT
Damn, Miki's absolutely killing it.
She just took 0 damage from a boss's attack wtf
And of course he's joining my party, why not?
Think I'll switch out Miki's slot for every dragon I fight.
Other World time!
Oh, it's the dragon that saved me. But wasn't he in Home World? How did he get to Another World?
Never mind, not fighting him. Guess you're staying for a little longer, Miki.
Water Dragon Isle, then?
Right, that's a negative.
Earth Dragon Isle?
Nope, that's a no-go, too.
Marbule?
Score one for me, finally.
Stole a Black Plate. Should be nice to eat off of. Don't know why the Black Dragon has one, though.
Okay, that's a bit cheap. Using SealAll given you won't be affected by it changes the nature of the element itself.
I killed one of 6 dragons left in the world! Yay!
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Garioshi
05/13/18 11:07:21 PM
#82:


For this round, let's take Zoah. I don't know why, but I'm doing it.
Off to Home World's Water Dragon Isle. I assume the Water Dragon will be there.
Lagoonates have invaded? Why?
And giant spiders. Also caught me off guard.
Fargo, how do you know that the Water Dragon is ahead?
This isn't that bad so far.
That was piss easy.
It's getting late, think I'm gonna end it off there.
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The_Juice_
05/13/18 11:19:10 PM
#83:


Miguel is the difficulty peak of the game, the story fights from there aren't really hard at all. You might wipe once or twice, but even on those fights it'll be easy to figure out what you'll need to do to win.

Definitely some challenging optional bosses if you're doing those though.
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Garioshi
05/14/18 3:57:02 PM
#84:


all right, starting back up
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Garioshi
05/14/18 4:30:07 PM
#85:


Earth Dragon Isle's next up. Switching Zoah out for Marcy. She'll have the Kung-Fu Shoes on to give her a whopping 31% evade chance.
Pfft, it won't kill me.
...and I have to come back in a little while. Great. How about we check out if Razzly wants to join?
Nope. Is that enough time?
Good enough.
I don't see anything wrong with a random guy giving me high explosives.
This is reminding me a lot of the Absorption Gate in Tales of the Abyss. Not sure how much I like that.
Looks like it's about fight time.
Well if the characters explicitly state that there's nothing three, that means there's absolutely nothing there.
Really liking the variance in the designs of the dragons.
...Fargo missed. Is it worth resetting over?
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Garioshi
05/14/18 4:41:19 PM
#86:


Ran and restarted. Was really painless since it was the very beginning.
This dude hits like a truck. And Marcy's increased dodge rate isn't doing shit.
I stand corrected. She's dodging hits like a champ now.
wellthatwaseasy.jpg
Switching Marcy out for Grobyc. No idea where the red or green dragons would be, though I can hazard a guess.
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CapnMuffin
05/14/18 4:46:09 PM
#87:


Tag
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Garioshi
05/14/18 4:55:50 PM
#88:


Gonna take a short break before continuing
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masterpug53
05/14/18 4:57:28 PM
#89:


Garioshi posted...
...Fargo missed. Is it worth resetting over?


Stealing the elemental Plates from the six dragons are arguably the most valuable steals in the game, so yes.
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Ozarhok
05/14/18 5:01:50 PM
#90:


If you ever fail to steal something just run away and try again. You can run away from literally every battle in this game.
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Garioshi
05/14/18 5:02:01 PM
#91:


masterpug53 posted...
Garioshi posted...
...Fargo missed. Is it worth resetting over?


Stealing the elemental Plates from the six dragons are arguably the most valuable steals in the game, so yes.

Good thing I did that.
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CapnMuffin
05/14/18 5:02:06 PM
#92:


A black and yellow plate are arguably the only really necessary ones. But yeah they are pretty useful all around.
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Garioshi
05/14/18 5:03:57 PM
#93:


What do they do?
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CapnMuffin
05/14/18 5:15:20 PM
#94:


Garioshi posted...
What do they do?

Absorb the corresponding element damage.

Yellow absorption is practically a requirement to beat an optional boss. While black absorption helps immensely for another optional boss.
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Garioshi
05/14/18 5:15:44 PM
#95:


CapnMuffin posted...
Garioshi posted...
What do they do?

Absorb the corresponding element damage.

Yellow absorption is practically a requirement to beat an optional boss. While black absorption helps immensely for another optional boss.

Sounds good.
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Garioshi
05/15/18 8:45:37 PM
#96:


That was a nice, short break. Back down the rabbit hole I go.
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Garioshi
05/15/18 9:20:54 PM
#97:


This HotDiggity enemy looks like it's straight out of Ren and Stimpy.
...nope, nothing in Mt. Pyre.
Fort Dragonia?
Really don't want to redo that entire dungeon if I can help it, so can I get some input here?
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Ricemills
05/15/18 9:26:28 PM
#98:


Garioshi posted...
...nope, nothing in Mt. Pyre.


check again. >_>
you should have met him before in another world.
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Garioshi
05/15/18 9:30:34 PM
#99:


Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
...nope, nothing in Mt. Pyre.


check again. >_>
you should have met him before in another world.

Did not. Will go back and check.
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Ricemills
05/15/18 9:32:31 PM
#100:


Garioshi posted...
Ricemills posted...
Garioshi posted...
...nope, nothing in Mt. Pyre.


check again. >_>
you should have met him before in another world.

Did not. Will go back and check.

yes you did. but at that time you didn't know he's the Fire Dragon.
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