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HylianFox
05/14/18 1:54:22 PM
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https://www.alternet.org/watch-mike-pence-says-more-americans-believe-god-now-trump-president

well yeah there has been a lot more DEAR GOD SAVE US lately >_>
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TendoDRM
05/14/18 1:55:36 PM
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Trump is the ultimate proof that there is no god.
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Bestoffuture
05/14/18 1:56:07 PM
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I'm so glad I can say Merry Christmas now
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HylianFox
05/14/18 2:04:16 PM
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"Faith in America is rising again because President Trump and our entire administration have been advancing the very principles that you learned here in the halls of Hillsdale College," Pence said. "The principles that have always been the source of America's greatness and strength."


yeah, Trump just loves Christian principles like feeding the hungry, caring for the poor, healing the sick, visiting prisoners and shut-ins, welcoming immigrants...

oh I'm sorry, Trump loves the "real" Christian principles such as oppressing women, demonizing LGBTs, deporting immigrants, trying to destroy healthcare...
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Sayoria
05/14/18 2:10:01 PM
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Christians show how easy they are to manipulate.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/14/18 2:12:22 PM
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The stupidest and fakest of fake news.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
05/14/18 2:12:23 PM
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I really hope he just talks about how great his Christian denomination is and craps all over all the other denominations. I wonder how the rest of the Christians would take it from their VP while also having their faith slandered by him.

Oh who am I kidding. They'll just turn a blind eye and pretend like he didn't say it.
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PepperoniMaster
05/14/18 2:12:23 PM
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Good news, GREAT news.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
05/14/18 2:12:38 PM
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PepperoniMaster posted...
Good news, GREAT news.


The BEST news
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cmiller4642
05/14/18 2:13:51 PM
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Because they're putting mercury in our water.
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:14:07 PM
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This isn't really a meaningful statistic tbh

How many more people actually have God in their lives?
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Tactical_Spork
05/14/18 2:15:26 PM
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American christians aren't christians.
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voldothegr8
05/14/18 2:15:40 PM
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Pence is a fucking psychopath
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creativerealms
05/14/18 2:16:40 PM
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Yeah no. Silencing non believers doesn't mean more people believe.
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:17:16 PM
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Tactical_Spork posted...
American christians aren't christians.


Believing in Jesus literally makes you a Christian
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creativerealms
05/14/18 2:18:29 PM
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Tactical_Spork posted...
American christians aren't christians.

Most Christians are real Christians however I do doubt the religious right. Note I say religious right I don't mean any Christian that is Republican but the type who pretty much merge their politics and their religion.
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Darkman124
05/14/18 2:21:09 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Tactical_Spork posted...
American christians aren't christians.


Believing in Jesus literally makes you a Christian


faith without works is dead

James 2:17
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catboy0_0
05/14/18 2:21:46 PM
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HylianFox posted...
well yeah there has been a lot more DEAR GOD SAVE US lately >_>

came here to post this lulz
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:24:50 PM
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You can be a good Christian or a bad Christian but you are still a Christian

I hate when people say stuff like "Catholics aren't real Christians" or "Protestants aren't real Christians" or whatever that guy is trying to say.
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UnholyMudcrab
05/14/18 2:29:35 PM
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catboy0_0
05/14/18 2:30:27 PM
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I hate "No True Scotsman". If you don't really believe in the basic principles of Christianity, I don't care what you call yourself you are not a follower of Christ.
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mario2000
05/14/18 2:34:06 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
I hate "No True Scotsman". If you don't really believe in the basic principles of Christianity, I don't care what you call yourself you are not a follower of Christ.

nice no true scotsman fallacy you used there
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creativerealms
05/14/18 2:37:03 PM
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True I did use the no true Scotsman sorry about that. I just really don't like the religious right because I dislike their merging of Christianity and Government. I believe the state needs to remain separate from religion to protect all religions what people like Pence are doing will hurt everyone.
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LinkAndEpona
05/14/18 2:38:10 PM
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Th God President @_@
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Poiuyt
05/14/18 2:39:12 PM
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Yeah, they're turning to religion to cope with Trump being president. Thanks Trump!
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TheVipaGTS
05/14/18 2:39:17 PM
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Who cares? Why are they so obsessed with people believing in (their) god?
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Medussa
05/14/18 2:41:12 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Who cares? Why are they so obsessed with people believing in (their) god?


right? I wonder what he'd be saying if all those (imaginary) converts were Muslim?
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Sayoria
05/14/18 2:42:34 PM
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catboy0_0
05/14/18 2:43:36 PM
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mario2000 posted...
nice no true scotsman fallacy you used there

so? If a person is a plant and a spy for X regime pretending to be a part of Y, does that make them a part of Y? no they are a spy and a part of X
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:44:55 PM
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creativerealms posted...
True I did use the no true Scotsman sorry about that. I just really don't like the religious right because I dislike their merging of Christianity and Government. I believe the state needs to remain separate from religion to protect all religions what people like Pence are doing will hurt everyone.


That is their morality. It may be misled or wrong, but they think it's right. You're basically saying you want to separate morality and politics.
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Darkman124
05/14/18 2:45:05 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
You can be a good Christian or a bad Christian but you are still a Christian

I hate when people say stuff like "Catholics aren't real Christians" or "Protestants aren't real Christians" or whatever that guy is trying to say.


what is dead faith, then
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elysdeon
05/14/18 2:45:24 PM
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Trump literally embodies all Seven Deadly Sins and yet 80% of white evangelicals voted for him anyway.
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TheVipaGTS
05/14/18 2:47:47 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
creativerealms posted...
True I did use the no true Scotsman sorry about that. I just really don't like the religious right because I dislike their merging of Christianity and Government. I believe the state needs to remain separate from religion to protect all religions what people like Pence are doing will hurt everyone.


That is their morality. It may be misled or wrong, but they think it's right. You're basically saying you want to separate morality and politics.

Thats not what hes saying at all. You can have morality. You can use your religion to introduce things you believe to be moral...but it cant be justified with simply in the Bible.... Once you get to the point where youre discussin your morals politically you have to remove your religion from it and justify it in a way that will cover every person in the nation you govern. The same people who are so scared of sharia law coming are perfectly fine with it in a different form...
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Tactical_Spork
05/14/18 2:53:16 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Tactical_Spork posted...
American christians aren't christians.

Most Christians are real Christians however I do doubt the religious right. Note I say religious right I don't mean any Christian that is Republican but the type who pretty much merge their politics and their religion.

I grew uo Catholic. Americans do not practice christianity. They are largely spiteful, selfish, narcissists whose behavior borders on sociopathy.
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Tactical_Spork
05/14/18 2:53:48 PM
#35:


Darkman124 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Tactical_Spork posted...
American christians aren't christians.


Believing in Jesus literally makes you a Christian


faith without works is dead

James 2:17

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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:54:08 PM
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^Those people are hypocrites.

But I seriously doubt that are are very many if any people in the religious right who don't actually believe in Jesus, but are using Christianity as a tool to get political power
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Sayoria
05/14/18 2:54:59 PM
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elysdeon posted...
Trump literally embodies all Seven Deadly Sins and yet 80% of white evangelicals voted for him anyway.


Gluttony? Visually obvious.
Wrath? Obviously has tantrums and approves of hurting people.
Sloth? Golf anyone?
Envy? President Xi and Putin?
Lust? Three wives, his daughter, and all the porn stars.
Greed? Using the Presidency for personal gain at Mar-a-Lago and Trump hotels.
Pride? Oh, that's obvious. Just look at the video of him shoving the PM of Montenegro.
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UnfairRepresent
05/14/18 2:55:31 PM
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Yeah Trump is just a bastion of Christian values.

i mean try to compare the differences between Donald Trump and Jesus Christ and you'll struggle to find 3
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UnholyMudcrab
05/14/18 2:56:31 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Pride? Oh, that's obvious. Just look at the video of him shoving the PM of Montenegro.

Not to mention the innumerable "Nobody does/is more X than me" quotes
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 2:57:01 PM
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The Epistle of James is a letter to believers (Jewish Christians to be exact) containing his views on how to be a better Christian.

Why are you arguing about the meaning of Christianity? You're just being holier than thou.
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creativerealms
05/14/18 2:57:40 PM
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That is exactly why state and religion are separate. A group should not be allowed to force their moral standards on others and create a government that uses those moral standards as a basis of law. Religious governments exist and they tend to be horrible places. Be's they ran by muslims, by Christians or others.
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hyperpowder
05/14/18 3:00:02 PM
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I really can't stand radical Christians, they sound like a cult.
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Funbazooka
05/14/18 3:00:31 PM
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"delivered the commencement address to graduating students at a small, private, ultra-conservative Christian college"

"Faith in America is rising again because President Trump and our entire administration have been advancing the very principles that you learned here in the halls of Hillsdale College," Pence said. "The principles that have always been the source of America's greatness and strength."

Sounds like he's following one of the top rules of public speaking: know your audience.

Gentle reminder to respect their spiritual beliefs, btw. You wouldn't hate a Muslim because they're Muslim. Same goes for Christianity.
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 3:04:37 PM
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You can't separate politics and morality.

The "religious right" aren't an organized group that is trying to make America a Christian Theocracy. Not many Christians would even want that.
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TheVipaGTS
05/14/18 3:06:44 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
You can't separate politics and morality.

The "religious right" aren't an organized group that is trying to make America a Christian Theocracy. Not many Christians would even want that.

YOu can separate religion from morality. My religion says this is moral, so we should have this law...alright cool. Now explain why we need the law without citing your religion. Explain WHY its overall moral and why itll be a worthy law to have. If you cant muster up anything beyond well the Bible says...then youre not fit to be a leader in a nation as diverse as this one. Just shut your brain off and go work at a church.
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nicklebro
05/14/18 3:11:13 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
"delivered the commencement address to graduating students at a small, private, ultra-conservative Christian college"

"Faith in America is rising again because President Trump and our entire administration have been advancing the very principles that you learned here in the halls of Hillsdale College," Pence said. "The principles that have always been the source of America's greatness and strength."

Sounds like he's following one of the top rules of public speaking: know your audience.

Gentle reminder to respect their spiritual beliefs, btw. You wouldn't hate a Muslim because they're Muslim. Same goes for Christianity.

I don't have to respect their spiritual beliefs. That doesn't mean I hate them, cuz I don't, but I definitely don't respect anyone's faith in a religion. And as VP, Pence's audience is always the entire country, so he really needs to remember that in America we have a separation of church and state. Like someone else said, he's just like those Islamic zealots pushing for Sharia law.
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Damn_Underscore
05/14/18 3:12:41 PM
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People don't say "my religion says this is moral, so this is my morality now"

People develop their morality over time, and everyone's morality is influenced by their religion (or lack of religion)
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Darkman124
05/14/18 3:13:56 PM
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or the fact that they're white supremacist shitbags who pretend their religion says one thing when it actually says something completely different
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nicklebro
05/14/18 3:15:06 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
People don't say "my religion says this is moral, so this is my morality now"

People do that exact thing all the time, what are you talking about? It's why religious people argue for objective morality and actually chastise people who argue for subjective morality. It's why so many people view homosexuality as being immoral despite no reason to do so outside of religion.
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TheVipaGTS
05/14/18 3:15:08 PM
#51:


Damn_Underscore posted...
People don't say "my religion says this is moral, so this is my morality now"

People develop their morality over time, and everyone's morality is influenced by their religion (or lack of religion)

Right. And we should do this because my religion tells me its what we should do is not the right thing to do. A good example is Gay Marriage. The only argument against it was muh religion!...they had no real good reason why it should have been banned outside of that. Youre not just governing Christians in this country.
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