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Mr_Biscuit
05/27/18 12:32:42 AM
#152:


Cool, glad Im not alone then at least.

This is a copout, but while I wouldnt say its BETTER than the first Avengers, I... wouldnt say its worse either? Maybe ever so slightly, but they do such different things. It was fun as hell.
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Muffinz0rz
05/27/18 12:34:36 AM
#153:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
Cool, glad Im not alone then at least.

This is a copout, but while I wouldnt say its BETTER than the first Avengers, I... wouldnt say its worse either? It was fun as hell.

I think it's a little worse than A1, but no way does it deserve the shitstream it gets.

I think people just need to find a movie to rip because they worry saying "Every marvel movie after Thor 2 is fucking great" will make them sound like fanboys
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Von_Miller
05/27/18 4:05:03 AM
#154:


One of my biggest gripes is how they assassinate Nats character. They established her motives and fears in the first avengers and boil her down to Im a monster too because i cant reproduce in this one. Plus the, what i felt as forced relationship with Bruce. Ugh. Joss Whedon normally build up female characters pretty well but this felt it was in th wrong direction
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
05/27/18 10:33:49 AM
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TheBiggerWiggle
05/27/18 10:52:33 AM
#156:


My biggest complaint with Ultron was the he was supposed to be one of the strongest villains out there, but in the movie he never really felt like a threat IMO. It never really felt like he had the upper hand.

Plus the movie was just kinda all over the place. I hated the romance. I hated how out of character Tony was. Quicksilver and Wanda going from bad to good was cliche and predictable as fuck. The action was overall lacking.

Maybe my expectations were too high to Avengers 2 after the first but this was easily the biggest let down.
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TheBiggerWiggle
05/27/18 10:56:55 AM
#157:


But on a positive note I'm glad you enjoyed GotG so much. I was afraid it could have been over-hyped. I think I said it in an earlier post but this was my favorite MCU movie until Inifinity War. It was that good.

The sequel had its slight problems but was still very good.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/27/18 11:17:10 AM
#158:


TheBiggerWiggle posted...
My biggest complaint with Ultron was the he was supposed to be one of the strongest villains out there, but in the movie he never really felt like a threat IMO. It never really felt like he had the upper hand.

Plus the movie was just kinda all over the place. I hated the romance. I hated how out of character Tony was. Quicksilver and Wanda going from bad to good was cliche and predictable as fuck. The action was overall lacking.

Maybe my expectations were too high to Avengers 2 after the first but this was easily the biggest let down.

I should probably save some of my thoughts for the actual review, but I thought Ultron was very menacing and the action was awesome. A few mixed thoughts on the romance but overall Im good with it; Ill elaborate in the official post later.
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Makeveli_lives
05/27/18 7:57:11 PM
#159:


Mr_Biscuit posted...

I should probably save some of my thoughts for the actual review, but I thought Ultron was very menacing and the action was awesome. A few mixed thoughts on the romance but overall Im good with it; Ill elaborate in the official post later.

The movie almost collapsed under what it had to do:

-be a direct sequel to avengers 1
- be a logical cinematic bridge that culminated the events of and end the phase 2 films
- have enough structure to stand as its own film
-drop hints leading into the phase 3 films

But now you have Antman and then the best one, civil war. Get to it, its a holiday weekend so I want to see at least 3 reviews buddy
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3khc
05/27/18 7:59:04 PM
#160:


Give a fuck about your name in the topic title bruh.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/27/18 8:21:17 PM
#161:


3khc posted...
Give a fuck about your name in the topic title bruh.

Cool, thanks for letting me know!
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3khc
05/27/18 8:25:12 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
3khc posted...
Give a fuck about your name in the topic title bruh.

Cool, thanks for letting me know!

No problem, g. Stay up.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/27/18 8:45:23 PM
#163:


Avengers: Age of Ultron

This movie faced a tall order; not only did it have to follow Winter Soldier and Guardians, it also had to measure up to the first Avengers flick. All in all, I have to say it succeeded. You can't milk the magic of them all meeting for the first time again, so starting right in the throes of an action scene was a good and fun choice, and being honest, I could've watched them hang out at Stark's party for two hours drunkenly trying to lift Thor's hammer. The chemistry between these characters is so much better than it has any right to be, considering they're all appearing alongside each other for only the second time (in most cases) and come from very disparate backstories and franchises. It's insane and a complete joy to watch them interact, still.

Speaking of chemistry between characters, I was gonna save this for later, but since these reviews are pretty much just stream-of-consciousness, let's rip off the bandaid and talk Black Widow/Hulk. It was sudden, and perhaps a little forced, but you know what, I bought it. It reminded me a ton of the twist in LOST where it timejumps a little bit and you see Juliet and Sawyer are in love. The initial response is "...okay?", but ultimately the two characters interface well enough to sell it. I also personally felt like this was the first time I'd truly understood Natasha at all or what made her tick, because she was almost always putting on a show in previous entries. I think describing the backstory we got on her as "I'm a monster too because I'm sterile" is a little reductive; we see flashes of her executing a man as presumably a teen and she was sterilized, so the takeaway there is supposed to be that they tried to beat the humanity out of her entirely. It's not just about the sterilization, it's about how she was never supposed to want or care for anything except killing the next target, and I found that more compelling than the mysterious femme fatale cliche we'd gotten so far. I also get why Bruce is a good foil to that, as he's the one guy trying to avoid the fight. I dunno -- sudden, sure, but I'm good with it.

Ultron was creepy as hell and I quite enjoyed him. I could've used one or two less jokes out of him, but overall I really enjoyed his presence, and his flair for the dramatic (creating a literal meteor out of a town) was much appreciated. Great performance from Spader. Turns out using the Mind Stone to try to bring sentience to your AI program might have been a bad idea, Tony, but I do get where he was coming from; you want to make it so the Avengers are unnecessary. The plot on the whole regarding Ultron was pretty good -- the twins didn't do much for me at first, but they grew on me, and I have to give credit where it's due, I totally bought the set-up that Hawkeye was gonna get his sappy death scene and they pulled the rug out on me with Quicksilver. That was really clever. The one part of the plot that was a little questionable to me was Thor's "vision" that somehow gave him the foresight to go create, well, Vision -- I'm not sure if that's gonna be further explained, but I didn't really follow that. Vision is cool; I know he's not really this simple, but Superhero J.A.R.V.I.S. was something I didn't know I needed until right now.

Action scenes were, as always, incredible. Cap has honestly climbed my list to maybe be my favorite to watch (see my Winter Soldier review) and the synergy combos between the heroes NEVER fail to geek me out. The sweeping shot of them all in a circle fighting Ultron's minions in the final battle had me on Cloud 9. "Epic" is overused, but that was epic.

This was a perfectly good Avengers entry. Maybe not mindblowing, but you got great action, a solid plot, most of the laughs landed, and we added some fun new heroes. It doesn't have the luxury of being the first film, but you could've done a LOT worse for the second.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/27/18 9:23:32 PM
#164:


This guy gets it. A couple movies get some hate, and as a guy that has maybe 3 movies on my list of movies that I really dont like. I find it ridiculous that any of these movies get hate.
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OpShaft
05/27/18 10:14:01 PM
#165:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
This guy gets it. A couple movies get some hate, and as a guy that has maybe 3 movies on my list of movies that I really dont like. I find it ridiculous that any of these movies get hate.

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Mr_Biscuit
05/27/18 10:58:01 PM
#166:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
This guy gets it. A couple movies get some hate, and as a guy that has maybe 3 movies on my list of movies that I really dont like. I find it ridiculous that any of these movies get hate.

Three movies TOTAL or three MCU movies?

But yeah, not a single one has been BAD so far. Thor 1 + 2 and Iron Man 2 were alright. Thats the worst of it.
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DarkChozoGhost
05/27/18 11:27:20 PM
#167:


The Thor scene apparently was cut down a lot. I think there's a deleted scene that explains it a little better. At the very least, you can look up some cut script that would help.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/28/18 12:07:29 AM
#168:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
This guy gets it. A couple movies get some hate, and as a guy that has maybe 3 movies on my list of movies that I really dont like. I find it ridiculous that any of these movies get hate.

Three movies TOTAL or three MCU movies?

But yeah, not a single one has been BAD so far. Thor 1 + 2 and Iron Man 2 were alright. Thats the worst of it.

3 movies total, and it's not even because I think they are bad, it just more because I didnt enjoy them. One of the ice age movies, that snow dog movie with Cuba Gooding Jr., and the last one was Titanic, but I have only seen it once and that was when it was first released in theaters and I was NOT in to romance movies at all at that age.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/28/18 12:12:08 AM
#169:


I'm with you on that.

I tend not to bother watching movies I'm not at least intrigued by, and my instinct isn't often so terribly wrong that I don't end up at least moderately enjoying them.
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Von_Miller
05/28/18 12:32:30 AM
#170:


I'm fairly certain that most people here don't outright dislike IM2, Thor 2, and AoU so much as they are victims of the rest of the movies being really, really enjoyable.

Like, at worst i'd say they're 6/10s
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
05/28/18 12:41:09 AM
#171:


Von_Miller posted...
I'm fairly certain that most people here don't outright dislike IM2, Thor 2, and AoU so much as they are victims of the rest of the movies being really, really enjoyable.

Like, at worst i'd say they're 6/10s

Those movies were just the weakest entries

They weren't unenjoyable at all tbh
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IfGodCouldDie
05/28/18 12:45:48 AM
#172:


Yea, saying "the worst MCU film" is like saying "the poorest millionaire."
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 12:41:00 PM
#173:


Ant Man

I have no idea what the fuck I just watched, but I sure had fun doing it. This movie had absolutely no business being as entertaining as it was, but it was overall a big success despite a few issues I had. Going in, knowing it was well-received, I kind of expected it had to have great characters and great laughs, since I couldnt see how a movie called Ant Man could possibly measure up in action scenes. On the contrary, I found almost the exact opposite to be true.

Starting with the negatives, this was probably the first Marvel movie where I thought most of the laughs didnt land, or at least a good portion of them. Stuff like I just ruined the moment, didnt I? was not funny enough to make up for, legitimately, ruining a moment. A lot of character or plot movements were undercut by kinda flat attempts at humor, and thats bad news in more ways than one a lame joke is a bit of an eye roller, but a lame joke supplanting a developmental scene ALSO hurts my investment in the characters. Guardians did this a bit too, but it struck a better balance. So really, my key critique boils down to just an overall lack of connection to the characters, at least by MCU standards (Pym was my favorite character).

That out of the way, almost everything else was great. I never got tired of the resizing dynamic, and the action scenes were incredible. That final battle on the toy train set with Yellowjacket was AMAZING, one of the coolest things Ive seen in the MCU, and I absolutely adored the surprise Falcon appearance. Not only was that super fun by itself, I also love how calling the Avengers is a valid crisis plan as they are an active presence in the world. Ill never stop geeking out over the whole overarching SHIELD/Hydra stuff that ties this all together.

Somehow, they made the Ant Man powers compelling, and I think setting the film as a heist film with a fitting soundtrack was a GREAT approach to make it work. It was a blast to watch in action, though I hope I grow more attached to the characters over time. Fun movie nonetheless onto Phase Three!
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 12:45:03 PM
#174:


PHASE TWO COMPLETE

Rankings So Far:


Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Ant Man
Thor: The Dark World
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 12:50:43 PM
#175:


Further thought on my rankings... so far, they kinda fall into general groups that can conveniently be split into thirds.

Top four are phenomenal, then a small gap

Middle four were really entertaining but had a couple weaker moments, then a notable gap

Bottom four werent bad but were noticeably less-great than the others, and you can still get the good stuff from them in other, better MCU films

So, like, Antman is right above Dark World in my rankings but was appreciably better, whereas some other movies next to each other are almost interchangeable
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Von_Miller
05/29/18 1:03:34 PM
#176:


so you got civil war, doctor strange, gotg2, thor ragnarok, BP and IW, right? i feel like im missing something
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Von_Miller
05/29/18 1:03:44 PM
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 1:17:15 PM
#178:


Yeah. Ive seen BP so that may or may not be watched again.
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Lorenzo_2003
05/29/18 1:24:13 PM
#179:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
Rankings So Far:

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Ant Man
Thor: The Dark World
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2


I mostly agree with your rankings, though I prefer Thor ahead of its sequel and I'm not sure where I would have placed Guardians. It wouldn't surprise me if other fans were to drop Avengers: Age of Ultron at or near the very bottom. It gets a lot of hate.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 1:35:21 PM
#180:


Yeah, I just dont see how you can say Ultron is actually worse than most of the movies below it on my list... I could see dropping it MAYBE as low as just above Iron Man 3, but you wanna tell me its not as good as Thor? Hulk? IM2? Get out
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DarthAragorn
05/29/18 1:36:54 PM
#181:


I'd rank IM1, GotG and Ant Man above Ultron personally
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 1:38:47 PM
#182:


DarthAragorn posted...
I'd rank IM1, GotG and Ant Man above Ultron personally

First two fair enough, cant get there with Ant Man personally
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Von_Miller
05/29/18 1:44:00 PM
#183:


Ant-Man has maybe the worst villain of all MCU movies. They hired a nobody and in return you get one of the most forgettable performances. Thankfully, you're about to get a great run of villains.
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Muffinz0rz
05/29/18 3:10:35 PM
#184:


shit bruv get Civil War done before it leaves Netflix
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Mr_Biscuit
05/29/18 3:12:26 PM
#185:


Muffinz0rz posted...
shit bruv get Civil War done before it leaves Netflix

As if Ive needed Netflix to watch these
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Muffinz0rz
05/29/18 3:16:46 PM
#186:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
shit bruv get Civil War done before it leaves Netflix

As if Ive needed Netflix to watch these

fair
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Kastrada
05/30/18 6:43:08 AM
#187:


Von_Miller posted...
Ant-Man has maybe the worst villain of all MCU movies. They hired a nobody and in return you get one of the most forgettable performances. Thankfully, you're about to get a great run of villains.


I wouldn't call Corey Stoll a nobody. He was phenomenal in his runs on House of Cards and Girls and as Hemingway in Midnight in Paris. He's not an A-lister like the upcoming villains but he's a good actor.
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MasterEdge1
05/31/18 2:54:45 PM
#188:


Eagerly awaiting reviews for the next movies.
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BloodyNate
05/31/18 3:02:53 PM
#189:


MasterEdge1 posted...
Eagerly awaiting reviews for the next movies.


me2
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Muffinz0rz
05/31/18 3:06:02 PM
#190:


BloodyNate posted...
MasterEdge1 posted...
Eagerly awaiting movies for the next reviews.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/31/18 3:24:20 PM
#191:


Muffinz0rz posted...
BloodyNate posted...
MasterEdge1 posted...
Eagerly awaiting movies for the next reviews.

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DarkChozoGhost
06/01/18 11:02:08 AM
#192:


Ant Man is in my top 3, and Iron Man 3 is bottom 3 for me (not because of the Mandarin twist, I literally do not care about that at all, just don't like the movie).
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Mr_Biscuit
06/02/18 4:40:52 PM
#193:


Captain America: Civil War

I kicked off Phase Three last night, and it began with a film that simultaneously ranks among the most entertaining while also leaving me with some questions and mixed feelings that I can't quite get over. I wanted to love it, and in some ways I did, but there are some things nagging at me. I guess I'll start there, since it's on my mind.

First off, the villains, Baron Zemo and Crossbones. Starting with Crossbones, I feel like they spent so much time on him in Winter Soldier that giving him one scene at the start of the movie was kind of a waste. More importantly with Zemo, while I like the general concept of a reckoning for Ultron, Sokovia, and the Avengers in general, I felt like this guy was barely fleshed out. Not only do I think he could've been a more compelling character if we'd spent more time with him, this is also the first time in the MCU that I haven't been able to buy the contrivances of his plan. He found out that Bucky killed the Starks and tracked down old Hydra members (I don't think we're shown how he pulled that off), obtained video footage of that incident (with Bucky shooting the camera for no reason AFTER doing so), and lured... specifically Cap, Bucky, and Iron Man to that facility. It was an extremely elaborate plan that would've completely failed if Iron Man didn't have a change of heart and showed up, and would've also probably completely failed if there were others there to hold Tony back. I'm also not sure why he bothered to drag them all to that facility, when he could've probably just emailed Tony the video clip and gotten the same result. Maybe I missed something that makes all this make sense.

I also would've liked Tony to be taken to task for the fact that Ultron was his fault. Not that it would've exactly settled the debate, but someone on Cap's side should've definitely mentioned that Sokovia only happened because of him and that they can't make such sweeping decisions based solely off his personal guilt. Ultron and Sokovia was treated as a lump fault of the Avengers on the whole, when really everyone except Tony (and Wanda and even Bruce, to be fair) were just preventing the literal end of the world triggered by those three acting on their own. I also would've called this Iron Man 4 before calling it Captain America 3. Maybe that's just a "your mileage may vary" situation because despite what I just said about wishing Tony had been more specifically called out, I was on his side. He put it well when he said Cap was correct about Bucky but still completely off the reservation. Cap channeled the 'MURICA part of his name in this movie, acting unilaterally without jurisdiction and probably killing/definitely endangering a shitton more people in his escapades with Bucky. It was a neat twist that Iron Man was on the law and order side and Cap was on the freewheeling vigilante side, though -- wouldn't have guessed, but it was believably done. The sides people ended up on mostly made sense, though honestly Natasha has developed Kate-from-LOST syndrome of making decisions that jeopardize situations at key moments. I also like Vision but I'm not sure if he was just jacking off for half of the airport fight or what. He only did anything at the end.

As for positives, the emotions and acting were excellent with some truly fantastic tension. The fight scenes were incredibly entertaining, it was a hell of a debut for Black Panther and Spiderman, who both totally crushed it, and it was great to see Antman, Falcon, War Machine, etc get more involved. Tony/Peter is already great and I'm sad I know what happens with that in Infinity War. Bucky is a fun character and I'm glad he wasn't killed off, though I remember that now from the BP post-credits scene. I know I spoke at length about the negatives, but the positives almost go without saying and are the same strengths of all the best MCU movies, so I wanted to elaborate on my issues. Still a worthy entry, but uncharacteristically flawed.
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Muffinz0rz
06/02/18 4:44:43 PM
#194:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
I also like Vision but I'm not sure if he was just jacking off for half of the airport fight or what. He only did anything at the end.

Realistically he could've soloed that whole team, except for Wanda. She's the only one who could possibly check a fucking infinity stone. So part of me wants to be like "well he was kept in check by wanda," but there's a scene where hawkeye and black widow are play-fighting, and wanda walks over and throws black widow and is like "you were pulling your punches," so i figure at that point vision should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants
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masterpug53
06/02/18 7:19:35 PM
#195:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
this is also the first time in the MCU that I haven't been able to buy the contrivances of his plan. He found out that Bucky killed the Starks and tracked down old Hydra members (I don't think we're shown how he pulled that off), obtained video footage of that incident (with Bucky shooting the camera for no reason AFTER doing so), and lured... specifically Cap, Bucky, and Iron Man to that facility. It was an extremely elaborate plan that would've completely failed if Iron Man didn't have a change of heart and showed up, and would've also probably completely failed if there were others there to hold Tony back. I'm also not sure why he bothered to drag them all to that facility, when he could've probably just emailed Tony the video clip and gotten the same result. Maybe I missed something that makes all this make sense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ3VQkK6Upo" data-time="


You're not alone in this opinion, hehe. 2:36 onward has the bit relevant to your quote.
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Mr_Biscuit
06/02/18 8:13:43 PM
#196:


Glad to hear I'm not the only one who was thinking it, haha. I'd just heard all this hype, and while it was fun, there was so much I couldn't just handwave and I'm normally predisposed to letting things slide.

EDIT: lmao I just actually watched it. That list is even more comprehensive than I thought. Honestly that's inexcusably terrible. You could've had them fight for a million reasons.
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masterpug53
06/02/18 8:26:49 PM
#197:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who was thinking it, haha. I'd just heard all this hype, and while it was fun, there was so much I couldn't just handwave and I'm normally predisposed to letting things slide.

EDIT: lmao I just actually watched it. That list is even more comprehensive than I thought. Honestly that's inexcusably terrible. You could've had them fight for a million reasons.


I handwaved it because I went into the movie very, very nervous that having all those superheroes onscreen together would be a giant clusterfuck. So when the Russos met my best expectations on this front, I was much more forgiving with the movie's other flaws, because to me they'd successfully jumped the most important hurdle (they later blew those same expectations out of the water with Infinity War, but that's beside the point).

But yeah, Zemo's plan is widely criticized as being hyper-convoluted and too reliant on movie-magic flawless timing.
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06/02/18 8:33:21 PM
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mew4ever
06/03/18 4:15:53 AM
#199:


Mr_Biscuit posted...
He found out that Bucky killed the Starks and tracked down old Hydra members (I don't think we're shown how he pulled that off), obtained video footage of that incident (with Bucky shooting the camera for no reason AFTER doing so), and lured... specifically Cap, Bucky, and Iron Man to that facility. It was an extremely elaborate plan that would've completely failed if Iron Man didn't have a change of heart and showed up, and would've also probably completely failed if there were others there to hold Tony back. I'm also not sure why he bothered to drag them all to that facility, when he could've probably just emailed Tony the video clip and gotten the same result. Maybe I missed something that makes all this make sense.


I've not seen civil war in about a year or so but I'll take my best shot here.

When Nat leaked all the hyrda stuff in Winter Soldier, hideouts for all the hydra people were probably posted. It was all encrypted and stuff, but Zemo explicitly said he had a lot of time and was good at that stuff so that checks out.

Getting the three of them to the base was a bit lucky, but it probably wasnt necessarily his plan from the get go. By framing the doctor's death on Bucky, Tony would be tipped off that something was wrong because he saw Bucky get away with Steve already. It'd make him more likely to show up. If he doesn't, that's not big deal. Then he'd probably just go public with the info

Zemo improvising is also perfectly in line with his character. Plan A was to get Hydra guy in Cleveland to talk. After that failed, he showed really good ability to change plans on the fly with framing Bucky for a terrorist attack. He couldn't track him by himself, but an international manhunt could certainly do the trick. If he came up with that on the fly, I'm sure Tony not showing up wouldn't ruin his plans.
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DrizztLink
06/03/18 4:39:35 AM
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mew4ever posted...
Plan A was to get Hydra guy in Cleveland to talk. After that failed, he showed really good ability to change plans on the fly with framing Bucky for a terrorist attack. He couldn't track him by himself, but an international manhunt could certainly do the trick. If he came up with that on the fly, I'm sure Tony not showing up wouldn't ruin his plans.

I can see that.

Kind of like the character of Nate from Leverage. He's the mastermind.

"Oh, well blahblahblah. We're switching to plan H."
"Plan H? Do you have a plan M?"
"Hardison dies in plan M."
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Mr_Biscuit
06/03/18 9:03:53 AM
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That helps a little, Mew, but unfortunately now Ive seen that part of the Honest Trailer that points out like 60 flaws and I cant shake it lol
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