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Jaghave 05/18/18 11:29:59 AM #101:	Reminds me of I want to go to a high end restaurant every day but can only afford a happy meal everyday --- Income Tax; the fine you pay for being a productive citizen. Welfare; the reward you get for being an unproductice citizen. <cite>Jaghave posted [p:901568373] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>Reminds me of I want to go to a high end restaurant every day but can only afford a happy meal everyday</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 11:31:20 AM #102:	averagejoel posted... Balrog0 posted... averagejoel posted... you somehow managed to read a "moral argument to living in higher cost areas" into my post. that's not poor arguing, that's poor reading comprehension. pro-tip: you might be casually elitist the same way casual racists are casually racists -- without even noticing! so now it's elitist to suggest that people should be able to have a good time even if they aren't wealthy. good to know Since when is living beyond your means 'having a good time?' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901568460] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you somehow managed to read a "moral argument to living in higher cost areas" into my post. that's not poor arguing, that's poor reading comprehension.</quote> pro-tip: you might be casually elitist the same way casual racists are casually racists -- without even noticing!</quote> so now it's elitist to suggest that people should be able to have a good time even if they aren't wealthy. good to know</quote> Since when is living beyond your means 'having a good time?'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 05/18/18 11:31:53 AM #103:	Hell, even outside of cities you can look to farmers in rural America, people who spend can spend 12-16 hours a day working their fields as the seasons demand, and they're not making enough to keep their farms. Suicide rates are up among farmers as well, a group that already had high suicide rates. One only has to look at the concentration of wealth, which is worse than it was during the Gilded Age, to know that the majority of people are getting screwed over. It's just a shame that people buy into the rhetoric of 'at least you aren't starving like the filthy socialists in North Korea or Venezuela, so shut up and grab your bootstraps'. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:901568492] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>Hell, even outside of cities you can look to farmers in rural America, people who spend can spend 12-16 hours a day working their fields as the seasons demand, and they're not making enough to keep their farms. Suicide rates are up among farmers as well, a group that already had high suicide rates. One only has to look at the concentration of wealth, which is worse than it was during the Gilded Age, to know that the majority of people are getting screwed over. It's just a shame that people buy into the rhetoric of 'at least you aren't starving like the filthy socialists in North Korea or Venezuela, so shut up and grab your bootstraps'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/18/18 11:34:22 AM #104:	lightwarrior78 posted... averagejoel posted... you mean to tell me that not everyone wants to live in a shitty apartment in the middle of nowhere with 7 roommates, live on rice and potatoes, and never do anything fun ever? At least this kind of comment is honest. WHAAH, I don't wanna live frugally. I don't wanna live on a budget or have realistic expectations. It's no fun and life owes me fun. I'm going to completely strawman your suggestions because I don't want to buy the cheaper cell phone or live with a roomie. I don't go "muh bootstraps" but I've lived in poverty and my parents lived in fairly extreme poverty, so I come from people amazed at what people feel they "need" to survive and be happy. Pretty much. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 4 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:901568609] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you mean to tell me that not everyone wants to live in a shitty apartment in the middle of nowhere with 7 roommates, live on rice and potatoes, and never do anything fun ever?</quote> At least this kind of comment is honest. WHAAH, I don't wanna live frugally. I don't wanna live on a budget or have realistic expectations. It's no fun and life owes me fun. I'm going to completely strawman your suggestions because I don't want to buy the cheaper cell phone or live with a roomie. I don't go "muh bootstraps" but I've lived in poverty and my parents lived in fairly extreme poverty, so I come from people amazed at what people feel they "need" to survive and be happy.</quote> Pretty much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 05/18/18 11:35:09 AM #105:	Jaghave posted... josifrees posted... vicedungwinsgam posted... Jaghave posted... Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network im fucking dying this is the worst sentence ever posted on gamefaqs Hey your my friend! Watch my kid all day for free! Has worked for my family and friends we watch each other kids Perhaps instead of making a fuse over child care how about the government reduce the cost of living and business so people can get by with only one person working like before. How does it work when everyone has to work??? Your friends and family should be working until the day they die to pay their bills!! Not giving out free day care!! --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:901568655] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>vicedungwinsgam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote>Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network</quote> im fucking dying this is the worst sentence ever posted on gamefaqs</quote> Hey your my friend! Watch my kid all day for free!</quote> Has worked for my family and friends we watch each other kids Perhaps instead of making a fuse over child care how about the government reduce the cost of living and business so people can get by with only one person working like before.</quote> How does it work when everyone has to work??? Your friends and family should be working until the day they die to pay their bills!! Not giving out free day care!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jaghave 05/18/18 11:37:52 AM #106:	josifrees posted... Jaghave posted... josifrees posted... vicedungwinsgam posted... Jaghave posted... Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network im fucking dying this is the worst sentence ever posted on gamefaqs Hey your my friend! Watch my kid all day for free! Has worked for my family and friends we watch each other kids Perhaps instead of making a fuse over child care how about the government reduce the cost of living and business so people can get by with only one person working like before. How does it work when everyone has to work??? Your friends and family should be working until the day they die to pay their bills!! Not giving out free day care!! Everyone has different work schedules --- Income Tax; the fine you pay for being a productive citizen. Welfare; the reward you get for being an unproductice citizen. <cite>Jaghave posted [p:901568809] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote><cite>josifrees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>vicedungwinsgam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote>Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network</quote> im fucking dying this is the worst sentence ever posted on gamefaqs</quote> Hey your my friend! Watch my kid all day for free!</quote> Has worked for my family and friends we watch each other kids Perhaps instead of making a fuse over child care how about the government reduce the cost of living and business so people can get by with only one person working like before.</quote> How does it work when everyone has to work??? Your friends and family should be working until the day they die to pay their bills!! Not giving out free day care!!</quote> Everyone has different work schedules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 12:24:36 PM #107:	averagejoel posted... Jaghave posted... My car payment when I had them was 1200 for the three cars I purchase around the same time My cell bill is about the same since I have 11 cells plus 10 additional devices My house when I had to pay for it was 2000+ now I only have taxes and that averages around 700 a month And i never had to worry about child care because i try to keep my family together. But i wouldnt consider my above expenses normal for generic middle class which is why i find this study a bit dubious You can buy a use car for under 3k and have no payment outside of maintaince and gas which will average around 3k a year as well A cheap cellphone plane is like 10 dollars Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network And rent on the low end is 500 So to pay for all that you need to average 5 dollars an hour which is below minimal wage DevsBro posted... I wonder how many would be able to afford them if they went for the $500 apartment instead of the $2000 one, $10k car instead of the $40k one and the $200 phone instead of the $1000 one. again: these problems are systemic. they go beyond the individual level. policing peoples' lives like this is not productive or helpful in any way The problems aren't systemic at all. It IS a problem entirely created by people living outside their means. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901571464] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote>My car payment when I had them was 1200 for the three cars I purchase around the same time My cell bill is about the same since I have 11 cells plus 10 additional devices My house when I had to pay for it was 2000+ now I only have taxes and that averages around 700 a month And i never had to worry about child care because i try to keep my family together. But i wouldnt consider my above expenses normal for generic middle class which is why i find this study a bit dubious You can buy a use car for under 3k and have no payment outside of maintaince and gas which will average around 3k a year as well A cheap cellphone plane is like 10 dollars Child care can be free of you keep a strong social network And rent on the low end is 500 So to pay for all that you need to average 5 dollars an hour which is below minimal wage</quote> <cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many would be able to afford them if they went for the $500 apartment instead of the $2000 one, $10k car instead of the $40k one and the $200 phone instead of the $1000 one.</quote> again: these problems are systemic. they go beyond the individual level. policing peoples' lives like this is not productive or helpful in any way</quote> The problems aren't systemic at all. It IS a problem entirely created by people living outside their means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
donkeyjack 05/18/18 12:54:28 PM #108:	0TiamaT0 posted... Dont live in a place you cant afford. Dont have a car payment you cant afford. Dont have children you cant afford. Dont buy a phone you cant afford. Simple. People just get whatever they want and bitch about having to pay for it... --- https://imgur.com/ZUoAQPz https://imgur.com/bBmVbul <cite>donkeyjack posted [p:901573091] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>0TiamaT0 posted...</cite> <quote>Dont live in a place you cant afford. Dont have a car payment you cant afford. Dont have children you cant afford. Dont buy a phone you cant afford. Simple. People just get whatever they want and bitch about having to pay for it...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amatsukaze 05/18/18 2:37:32 PM #109:	shockthemonkey posted... 20% of people live in poverty and 40% cant afford the basics of middle class life. But no theres nothing wrong with our economy right now, this is a good thing for some reason. The economy is great for those that work, so I like it. --- http://tinyurl.com/zzyult6 - http://tinyurl.com/zwaaeta - https://tinyurl.com/y9le9jym http://tinyurl.com/h8j8vrd - http://tinyurl.com/j4lyk7j - EMM///REEE <cite>Amatsukaze posted [p:901579135] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>20% of people live in poverty and 40% cant afford the basics of middle class life. But no theres nothing wrong with our economy right now, this is a good thing for some reason.</quote> The economy is great for those that work, so I like it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/18/18 2:49:12 PM #110:	darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Spooking posted... has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation. Maybe you should allow them to have abortions. They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right? I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901579901] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation.</quote> Maybe you should allow them to have abortions.</quote> They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right?</quote> I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 2:51:14 PM #111:	Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Spooking posted... has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation. Maybe you should allow them to have abortions. They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right? I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there. That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901580031] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation.</quote> Maybe you should allow them to have abortions.</quote> They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right?</quote> I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there.</quote> That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/18/18 2:52:51 PM #112:	http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-higher-the-federal-minimum-wage-should-be-2017-12 The light blue line starts with 1968 the year the current value of the federal minimum wage peaked at $9.90, adjusted to 2017 dollars and shows what minimum wage would be had it kept up with the average wage growth. Had the minimum been adjusted for average growth, today's minimum wage would be $11.62. And the dark blue line shows the federal minimum wage had it grown at the same rate as American productivity, reaching $19.33 this year, more than double what it actually is. But no, everything is fine and it's clearly poor people's own fault if they stay poor. Because as we all know, despite "muh bootstraps" not working all those times it's been tried before, THIS time it'll be different. Believe me. /s --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901580125] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-higher-the-federal-minimum-wage-should-be-2017-12 <quote>The light blue line starts with 1968 the year the current value of the federal minimum wage peaked at $9.90, adjusted to 2017 dollars and shows what minimum wage would be had it kept up with the average wage growth. Had the minimum been adjusted for average growth, today's minimum wage would be $11.62. And the dark blue line shows the federal minimum wage had it grown at the same rate as American productivity, reaching $19.33 this year, more than double what it actually is.</quote> But no, everything is fine and it's clearly poor people's own fault if they stay poor. Because as we all know, despite "muh bootstraps" not working all those times it's been tried before, THIS time it'll be different. Believe me. /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/18/18 2:53:35 PM #113:	darkjedilink posted... That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? but the US government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics because the state governments are the primary opponents of abortion clinics --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:901580163] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> but the US government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics because the state governments are the primary opponents of abortion clinics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
50Blessings 05/18/18 2:53:39 PM #114:	Thanks Obama --- America is a tune. It must be sung together. --50 Blessings https://imgur.com/xKI9rbb https://imgur.com/vcX6hik <cite>50Blessings posted [p:901580168] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>Thanks Obama</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/18/18 2:53:59 PM #115:	darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Spooking posted... has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation. Maybe you should allow them to have abortions. They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right? I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there. That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation. None of what you're saying has to do with the point of what's being said. If you want to talk about the policy in place, I'll do that, but don't come at me with this petty combative shit. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901580187] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation.</quote> Maybe you should allow them to have abortions.</quote> They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right?</quote> I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there.</quote> That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation. None of what you're saying has to do with the point of what's being said. If you want to talk about the policy in place, I'll do that, but don't come at me with this petty combative shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 2:54:46 PM #116:	Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Spooking posted... has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation. Maybe you should allow them to have abortions. They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right? I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there. That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation. They literally shouldn't. As a Libertarian, you should agree with that. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901580230] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation.</quote> Maybe you should allow them to have abortions.</quote> They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right?</quote> I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there.</quote> That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation.</quote> They literally shouldn't. As a Libertarian, you should agree with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 2:55:48 PM #117:	Balrog0 posted... darkjedilink posted... That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? but the US government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics because the state governments are the primary opponents of abortion clinics NO government should support them. Overturn unfair zoning laws, but get the tax money out. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901580287] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> but the US government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics because the state governments are the primary opponents of abortion clinics</quote> NO government should support them. Overturn unfair zoning laws, but get the tax money out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
babyeatermax 05/18/18 2:58:51 PM #118:	Then we told them the wealth would trickle down! Insert pic of Reagan laughing --- This guy <cite>babyeatermax posted [p:901580443] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>Then we told them the wealth would trickle down! Insert pic of Reagan laughing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexenherz 05/18/18 6:35:08 PM #121:	I was really shocked when I saw that 40% figure yesterday. It's just really disturbing. I'm in a good position myself but I don't even know how I got here since I don't even have a college degree. I guess I'm just good at dealing with BS. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC / 94/99 Fishing. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:901592094] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>I was really shocked when I saw that 40% figure yesterday. It's just really disturbing. I'm in a good position myself but I don't even know how I got here since I don't even have a college degree. I guess I'm just good at dealing with BS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/18/18 6:35:46 PM #122:	voldothegr8 posted... lightwarrior78 posted... averagejoel posted... you mean to tell me that not everyone wants to live in a shitty apartment in the middle of nowhere with 7 roommates, live on rice and potatoes, and never do anything fun ever? At least this kind of comment is honest. WHAAH, I don't wanna live frugally. I don't wanna live on a budget or have realistic expectations. It's no fun and life owes me fun. I'm going to completely strawman your suggestions because I don't want to buy the cheaper cell phone or live with a roomie. I don't go "muh bootstraps" but I've lived in poverty and my parents lived in fairly extreme poverty, so I come from people amazed at what people feel they "need" to survive and be happy. Pretty much. so why should only rich people get to enjoy themselves? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901592125] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you mean to tell me that not everyone wants to live in a shitty apartment in the middle of nowhere with 7 roommates, live on rice and potatoes, and never do anything fun ever?</quote> At least this kind of comment is honest. WHAAH, I don't wanna live frugally. I don't wanna live on a budget or have realistic expectations. It's no fun and life owes me fun. I'm going to completely strawman your suggestions because I don't want to buy the cheaper cell phone or live with a roomie. I don't go "muh bootstraps" but I've lived in poverty and my parents lived in fairly extreme poverty, so I come from people amazed at what people feel they "need" to survive and be happy.</quote> Pretty much.</quote> so why should only rich people get to enjoy themselves?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nikra 05/18/18 6:48:50 PM #124:	What do you expect in a country where 10% of the population own 90% of the wealth? Surprise, surprise. <cite>Nikra posted [p:901592807] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>What do you expect in a country where 10% of the population own 90% of the wealth? Surprise, surprise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/18/18 6:53:09 PM #125:	did this become another topic where averagejoel argues that needing to budget is evil and that if you cant afford a BMW or a Mercedes right outta college the system has failed? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:901593036] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>did this become another topic where averagejoel argues that needing to budget is evil and that if you cant afford a BMW or a Mercedes right outta college the system has failed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 05/18/18 7:04:15 PM #126:	Romulox28 posted... DevsBro posted... I wonder how many would be able to afford them if they went for the $500 apartment instead of the $2000 one, $10k car instead of the $40k one and the $200 phone instead of the $1000 one. i was talking to one of the new employees at work, some 22 year old kid fresh out of college, and he was talking about how he just bought a $30k+ Prius Prime on like a $40k salary with a 9 year loan lol "b-b-b-but should only da rich enjoy life???!!!111111" - averagejoel --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:901593590] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many would be able to afford them if they went for the $500 apartment instead of the $2000 one, $10k car instead of the $40k one and the $200 phone instead of the $1000 one.</quote> i was talking to one of the new employees at work, some 22 year old kid fresh out of college, and he was talking about how he just bought a $30k+ Prius Prime on like a $40k salary with a 9 year loan lol</quote> "b-b-b-but should only da rich enjoy life???!!!111111" - averagejoel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/18/18 8:08:45 PM #127:	FLUFFYGERM posted... did this become another topic where averagejoel argues that needing to budget is evil and that if you cant afford a BMW or a Mercedes right outta driver's ed the system has failed? Yes. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901596904] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>did this become another topic where averagejoel argues that needing to budget is evil and that if you cant afford a BMW or a Mercedes right outta driver's ed the system has failed?</quote> Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/20/18 4:53:50 AM #129:	darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... darkjedilink posted... Kineth posted... Spooking posted... has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation. Maybe you should allow them to have abortions. They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right? I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there. That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right? I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation. They literally shouldn't. As a Libertarian, you should agree with that. As a libertarian, you should know that's not something that fucking matters because it's not something that should be legislated. You done being upset yet? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:901665576] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>has children "I can't afford stuff!!" Um... well, yeah. Maybe before having a child you should take a look at your financial situation.</quote> Maybe you should allow them to have abortions.</quote> They can have all the abortions they want. However, the clinics should offer them without tax money paying for it. As a Libertarian, you support significant government spending cuts across the board, right?</quote> I didn't say how the system should be implemented so tap the brakes there.</quote> That's how it is implemented - the US Government is the primary supporter of abortion clinics. As a Libertarian, you hate that, right? And therefore don't vote for people who want to continue subsidizing abortion clinics, right?</quote> I know that that's a part of the system in place. I wasn't speaking about the health care system and funding in place. I was speaking about people saying that people shouldn't be having kids without a stable financial situation.</quote> They literally shouldn't. As a Libertarian, you should agree with that.</quote> As a libertarian, you should know that's not something that fucking matters because it's not something that should be legislated. You done being upset yet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skimmedgreentea 05/20/18 5:00:32 AM #130:	can't afford phones ? Even a homeless guy can afford phone they must be going for a branded phone like iphone <cite>skimmedgreentea posted [p:901665695] in Poor and A... [t:76620297]...</cite> <quote>can't afford phones ? Even a homeless guy can afford phone they must be going for a branded phone like iphone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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