Current Events > Ok. America has way more school shootings than other industrialized countries.

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What is the other thing that America also has way more than other industrialized countries?

- Way more Ritalin?
- Way more violent video games?
- Way more abortions?
- Way more guns?

The mystery is overwhelming.
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More schools to shoot up?
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more people
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More bald eagles?
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More abusive households?
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People who say "Its Social Media! That's what's doing it!"....Do other countries not have Social Media? Look, I agree that social media and bullying feeds into their mentality....but there has to be something else that HELPS them do what they eventually end up doing...I'm pretty sure social media and bullying is fairly prominent in other parts of the world.
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They just have school stabbings and bombings at the same rate instead. Oh wait.... no they don't. Guns might not be the cause, but this is a uniquely American problem.

Maybe it's in the air.
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More stigma against the mentally ill too
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Taking away someones gun doesnt mean that lunatic isnt gonna make a bomb or bring a machete. Yes, a gun can be more deadly, but clearly this issue runs deeper than just laws and more into the seemingly widespread degrading of mental health.
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usa has the most mcdonalds than any other country by far with a whopping 14,146 locations vs #2 japan's 2,975

hmmmm just what is in these burgers???
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CelestialVoices posted...

usa has the most mcdonalds than any other country by far with a whopping 14,146 locations vs #2 japan's 2,975

hmmmm just what is in these burgers???

Good point. Might very well be the McD's.
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SSJCAT posted...

so why isn't that happening as often in other civilized nations?
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It's a much bigger country than most of the others where statistics are shown. Each state has their own laws. Things are different. They also count suicides in gun deaths. But nonetheless the school shootings thing is up.

I mean look though. A country with freedom has consequences. Shit will happen when you have more freedoms. So which is it government lock down telling everyone how to live or freedom. That's the whole point of different countries. Some or most choose the former but the way America was formed give them a culture that chooses the later. So that's also apart of it.

I don't wanna take the guns because the government is very bad. It's always bad. In every country. We aren't that far off from when kings and queens treated people as slaves or lower class citizens. So I see no reason to think that all of a sudden the people in power are pure and don't wanna revert things to how they were.
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Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

SSJCAT posted...

Taking away someones gun doesnt mean that lunatic isnt gonna make a bomb or bring a machete. Yes, a gun can be more deadly, but clearly this issue runs deeper than just laws and more into the seemingly widespread degrading of mental health.

Are bombs and machetes as glorified in various cultures as guns are in the USA?
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities
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TheVipaGTS posted...

SSJCAT posted...

so why isn't that happening as often in other civilized nations?

Im not sure mental health issues are as rampant as they are here? My main point is something needs to be done about mental health and look into our society and what is causing these issues. Americans have had guns since America was America. Something is causing these shootings to be a more common occurrence than they used to be other than just guns because we have always had guns.
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more FREEDOM
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GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?
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SSJCAT posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

SSJCAT posted...

so why isn't that happening as often in other civilized nations?

Im not sure mental health issues are as rampant as they are here? My main point is something needs to be done about mental health and look into our society and what is causing these issues. Americans have had guns since America was America. Something is causing these shootings to be a more common occurrence than they used to be other than just guns because we have always had guns.

You think compared to other countries Americans have mental issues in general...?
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GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

Issei Sagawa ( Sagawa Issei, born April 26, 1949)[1] also known as Pang, is a Japanese man who in 1981, while in Paris, killed and cannibalized a Dutch woman named Rene Hartevelt. After his release from two years of pre-trial detention upon being found legally insane, he became a minor celebrity in Japan and made a living through public interest.

So they made this cannibal a celebrity. Does Japan have a cannibal problem now because of him?

All over the world when someone does something crazy like shoot up a school or whatever the media goes crazy about him. It's not a uniquely American problem.
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hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?

And focusing on their personal lives, catching up on what they're up to a decade later, and releasing their manifestos/autobiographies so the public could read it.

frozenshock posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

Issei Sagawa ( Sagawa Issei, born April 26, 1949)[1] also known as Pang, is a Japanese man who in 1981, while in Paris, killed and cannibalized a Dutch woman named Rene Hartevelt. After his release from two years of pre-trial detention upon being found legally insane, he became a minor celebrity in Japan and made a living through public interest.

So they made this cannibal a celebrity. Does Japan have a cannibal problem now because of him?

All over the world when someone does something crazy like shoot up a school or whatever the media goes crazy about him. It's not a uniquely American problem.

That's one instance and happened almost a century ago. Meanwhile the US regularly do this for modern killers.
Like I don't hear about anyone talking about that French guy who took people hostage inside a school a few years ago or that hostage crisis in Sydney while people still talk about Casey Anthony, Adam Lanza, Elliot Rodgers etc.
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Darmik posted...

SSJCAT posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

SSJCAT posted...

so why isn't that happening as often in other civilized nations?

Im not sure mental health issues are as rampant as they are here? My main point is something needs to be done about mental health and look into our society and what is causing these issues. Americans have had guns since America was America. Something is causing these shootings to be a more common occurrence than they used to be other than just guns because we have always had guns.

You think compared to other countries Americans have mental issues in general...?

No I think theres way more people in America than most other countries and thus more people with mental health issues. Also the current inflammatory state of our society.
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SSJCAT posted...

No I think theres way more people in America than most other countries and thus more people with mental health issues. Also the current inflammatory state of our society.

Are you looking at the stats per capita then?
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GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?

And focusing on their personal lives, catching up on what they're up to a decade later, and releasing their manifestos/autobiographies so the public could read it.

So we treat them like any newsworthy person?

Did we have an epidemic of Jeffrey Dahmer copycats after his arrest? Are Hitler and Stalin wannabes out of control because of how much info is out there on WW2?
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Darmik posted...

SSJCAT posted...

No I think theres way more people in America than most other countries and thus more people with mental health issues. Also the current inflammatory state of our society.

Are you looking at the stats per capita then?

lol dude I am literally theorizing I never said I have the answers. I just know that despite our citizens always having guns, these mass shootings seem to be a growing recent trend rather than one we have always had. Also mental health issues are on the rise.
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hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?

And focusing on their personal lives, catching up on what they're up to a decade later, and releasing their manifestos/autobiographies so the public could read it.

So we treat them like any newsworthy person?

Did we have an epidemic of Jeffrey Dahmer copycats after his arrest? Are Hitler and Stalin wannabes out of control because of how much info is out there on WW2?

lol why are you trolling like this? We don't need to report on every personal detail like what were his favorite movies as a kid or share their autobiography for murderers. They shouldn't be this newsworthy. It's exactly your attitudes like this that contributes to the problem. And yes, the popularity of Jeffrey Dahmer and all those serial killers that basically became historical figures contributes to the US's culture of violence. Most other countries don't give nearly as much of a shit for them.
World leaders are a different story because they actually are historical figures but yes, obviously they influence people who know about them. Look at how many neo-nazis and stalin supporting communists there still are.
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Schools teach kids to be wimps and not stick up for yourself, so you have to hold it all in until you blow up and go crazy. Let the kid punch his bully in the face and be done with it
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Maybe it's everything? Like, maybe it's a mixture of volatile influences that are contributing to the cocktail of silent suffering and eventual breakdowns
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GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?

And focusing on their personal lives, catching up on what they're up to a decade later, and releasing their manifestos/autobiographies so the public could read it.

So we treat them like any newsworthy person?

Did we have an epidemic of Jeffrey Dahmer copycats after his arrest? Are Hitler and Stalin wannabes out of control because of how much info is out there on WW2?

lol why are you trolling like this? We don't need to report on every personal detail like what were his favorite movies as a kid or share their autobiography for murderers. They shouldn't be this newsworthy. It's exactly your attitudes like this that contributes to the problem. And yes, the popularity of Jeffrey Dahmer and all those serial killers that basically became historical figures contributes to the US's culture of violence. Most other countries don't give nearly as much of a shit for them.
World leaders are a different story because they actually are historical figures but yes, obviously they influence people who know about them. Look at how many neo-nazis and stalin supporting communists there still are.

So are you saying that those who forget history won't repeat it? I don't think there is any such thing as too much information and I think it is a crock of shit to blame shooters on the media. There are tons of non-violent ways to get noticed. These fuckers are timebombs regardless of how much news coverage we give shootings.
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hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Media obsession with making the killers infamous

When troubled kids want to go, they want to go out with the whole country knowing their issues.

It's a feedback loop.

This is part of. Treating killers like celebrities

By reporting the news?

And focusing on their personal lives, catching up on what they're up to a decade later, and releasing their manifestos/autobiographies so the public could read it.

So we treat them like any newsworthy person?

Did we have an epidemic of Jeffrey Dahmer copycats after his arrest? Are Hitler and Stalin wannabes out of control because of how much info is out there on WW2?

lol why are you trolling like this? We don't need to report on every personal detail like what were his favorite movies as a kid or share their autobiography for murderers. They shouldn't be this newsworthy. It's exactly your attitudes like this that contributes to the problem. And yes, the popularity of Jeffrey Dahmer and all those serial killers that basically became historical figures contributes to the US's culture of violence. Most other countries don't give nearly as much of a shit for them.
World leaders are a different story because they actually are historical figures but yes, obviously they influence people who know about them. Look at how many neo-nazis and stalin supporting communists there still are.

So are you saying that those who forget history won't repeat it? I don't think there is any such thing as too much information and I think it is a crock of shit to blame shooters on the media. There are tons of non-violent ways to get noticed. These fuckers are timebombs regardless of how much news coverage we give shootings.

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You're saying mass shooters should be celebrities. And you're wondering why there's so many mass murderers lately.
This is part of the problem.
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The problem I think is that the more these things happen, the more they will continue to happen. Young and impressionable kids who still havent developed their morals hear about these shooters and think of it as a viable option for them. Its a vicious cycle and I dont know what we can do about it.

But we need to get to these kids young. Recognize when something is wrong, teachers, counselors, parents, friends; do your part. And just be a good person, please.
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And to the people that say it's the media and what they play and watch on TV, TV for the 90s was a lot more gun-heavy, even America was with all the kids playing cowboys and Indians. We used to run around and play with guys a lot, shooting each other with cap guns or even BB guns
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only cops should have guns
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Bad_Mojo posted...

And to the people that say it's the media and what they play and watch on TV, TV for the 90s was a lot more gun-heavy, even America was with all the kids playing cowboys and Indians. We used to run around and play with guys a lot, shooting each other with cap guns or even BB guns

Big difference between real life news and fiction.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

And to the people that say it's the media and what they play and watch on TV, TV for the 90s was a lot more gun-heavy, even America was with all the kids playing cowboys and Indians. We used to run around and play with guys a lot, shooting each other with cap guns or even BB guns

Big difference between real life events and fiction.

That's my point. Our fiction was more gun heavy, yet we didn't shoot up schools. Our play time outside was more gun heavy, we didn't shoot up schools. Now that they're saying we should do away with that stuff, now they're shooting people

What's the difference?

Bad_Mojo posted...

Schools teach kids to be wimps and not stick up for yourself, so you have to hold it all in until you blow up and go crazy. Let the kid punch his bully in the face and be done with it

When I was upset with someone, I'd punch them in the face. We fight and get it out of our system. But that sort of stuff is badly looked at these days, and kids don't get into fist fights anymore. So they stew and stew, and now they want to kill everyone
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Bad_Mojo posted...

When I was upset with someone, I'd punch them in the face. We fight and get it out of our system. But that sort of stuff is badly looked at these days, and kids don't get into fist fights anymore. So they stew and stew, and now they want to kill everyone

Back in the day, two kids get in a fight and the teacher scolds them and gives them a detention

Today, two kids get in a fight and the cops arrest them and they end up with a criminal record

Things are just messed up today.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

That's my point. Our fiction was more gun heavy, yet we didn't shoot up schools. Our play time outside was more gun heavy, we didn't shoot up schools. Now that they're saying we should do away with that stuff, now they're shooting people

What's the difference?

Oh I was talking about making shooters out as celebrities on the news. Blaming fiction is dumb I agree.
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If anything the number of abortions is cutting down on the potential list of shooters
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GiftedACIII posted...

You're saying mass shooters should be celebrities. And you're wondering why there's so many mass murderers lately.
This is part of the problem.

That is not what I am saying and no it isn't.
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SSJCAT posted...

Young and impressionable kids who still havent developed their morals hear about these shooters and think of it as a viable option for them. Its a vicious cycle and I dont know what we can do about it.

Young and impressionable kids see and hear a lot of things. Why don't they aspire to be everything? Why not focus on like math or basketball or acting instead of aspiring to be a sociopathic loner? Maybe they become shooters because they're crazy as fuck and not because they are aware of shooters.
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hockeybub89 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

You're saying mass shooters should be celebrities. And you're wondering why there's so many mass murderers lately.
This is part of the problem.

That is not what I am saying and no it isn't.

That's what happens when you focus on them and report every detail of their lives as if they're more important than regular people so yes it is and you buying into it makes you part of the problem.
Kids seek attention. That's one of the biggest aspects of children. The American media gives mass shooters a disproportionate amount of attention. Add 2 plus 2
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hockeybub89 posted...

SSJCAT posted...

Young and impressionable kids who still havent developed their morals hear about these shooters and think of it as a viable option for them. Its a vicious cycle and I dont know what we can do about it.

Young and impressionable kids see and hear a lot of things. Why don't they aspire to be everything? Why not focus on like math or basketball or acting instead of aspiring to be a sociopathic loner? Maybe they become shooters because they're crazy as fuck and not because they are aware of shooters.

Ok you have to be dim to not realize these things are on the rise and kids are obviously hearing about them. Yes obviously mental heath is the issue. You picked a tiny part of my post to make it seem like Im blaming media coverage on these shootings. I certainly am not. All I am saying these things may start happening more and more often because mentally unstable kids hear about these shootings and arent getting the attention/help they need.
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Blaming the media for focusing on shooters is so bad. It's a nice little soundbite people say because it makes them feel clever, like they've "figured it out."
Fuck off. Other countries have news on their criminals and everyone knows about the mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin. It's so lazy and dishonest that it sucks people fall for it.

Honestly, the problem is way too many people who don't give a shit about other people, while also having access to way more guns.

America's become a place where most switch between staring at their cellphone and being jaded about society, with a smidge of superiority complex usually. Dangerous combo.

R_Jackal posted...

Honestly, the problem is way too many people who don't give a shit about other people, while also having access to way more guns.

We DON'T have more access to guns these days. Kids my age had a lot more access to guns growing up.
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Blaming the media for focusing on shooters is so bad. It's a nice little soundbite people say because it makes them feel clever, like they've "figured it out."
Fuck off. Other countries have news on their criminals and everyone knows about the mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin. It's so lazy and dishonest that it sucks people fall for it.

Other countries don't glorify them like the US does. Of course it's not the only problem, far from it. That's obvious. It takes a small mind to hear "that's a part of the problem" to think "they think they've figured it out"
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GiftedACIII posted...

It takes a small mind to hear "that's a part of the problem" to think "they think they've figured it out"

No, it's a dishonest tactic spread by pro-gun rights people to divert attention away from increased gun control.
Innocent people have bought into the myth because it lets them feel superior to others.

The most recent study on this sort of research said there is no data to support this theory. See here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sltb.12366

KarmaMuffin posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

It takes a small mind to hear "that's a part of the problem" to think "they think they've figured it out"

No, it's a dishonest tactic spread by pro-gun rights people to divert attention away from increased gun control.
Innocent people have bought into the myth because it lets them feel superior to others.

Uh no, that's extremely stupid. I'm pro gun control and I've seen many pro gun control advocates share the same sentiments. You can cover shootings without putting 99% of the focus on the shooter. This glorification of criminals and killers is also something unique to American culture. Americans care more about anders breivik than Norwegians do.
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