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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/25/18 11:14:36 AM
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Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?
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averagejoel
05/25/18 11:17:26 AM
#52:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not
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iPhone_7
05/25/18 11:18:46 AM
#53:


Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.

Gender as in sex (male/female), not social construct genders or the 54+ snowflake genders. Its easy to mix up gender with sex since the history of the terms and subsequent terms.

Also
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/transgender-brain-scans-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/
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FrisbeeDude
05/25/18 11:19:27 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
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thelovefist posted...
darkjedilink posted...
lol. Kineth, cjsdowg, and FrisbeeDude will defend this somehow. They love her.

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This is why I laugh when people call me a racist here. Yall really think black folks defended her?! You guys need to get out of the basement

You literally defended her pretending to be black because of the good work she did in the NAACP.


...are you ok, bro? I've literally, in no way, ever made that argument.

This is bordering on Troll Derangement Syndrome. You're literally making up argument for me based on your insane evaluation of my beliefs. Seriously, step away from the computer.
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thelovefist
05/25/18 11:22:56 AM
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averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not

averagejoel posted...
"transracial" people are an actual thing

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/25/18 11:24:11 AM
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averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not


Again, serious question...

Says who? Gender dysphoria wasn't a mental health issue 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong, it was an issue people faced and silently dealt with but it wasn't put in medical textbooks as a mental health issue AFAIK.

Is racial dysphoria a real thing that people just aren't talking about or was this chick just a crazy nutjob?
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Howl
05/25/18 11:28:16 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.

Gender as in sex (male/female), not social construct genders or the 54+ snowflake genders. Its easy to mix up gender with sex since the history of the terms and subsequent terms.

Also
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/transgender-brain-scans-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/


Ok, then that destroys the narrative that gender has nothing to do with biology or that gender roles are solely a product of socialization as opposed to something biological.

How can a person argue for the existence of male/female brains and use that as an argument to support the reality of gender dysphoria being biological, and simultaneously argue that gender differences are solely the product of socialization?
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bshwalker
05/25/18 11:31:27 AM
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Even though its illegal, she felt like it was legal.
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thelovefist
05/25/18 11:33:30 AM
#59:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not


Again, serious question...

Says who? Gender dysphoria wasn't a mental health issue 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong, it was an issue people faced and silently dealt with but it wasn't put in medical textbooks as a mental health issue AFAIK.

Is racial dysphoria a real thing that people just aren't talking about or was this chick just a crazy nutjob?

averagelol thinks it is a real thing though. He has said so in this topic.
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averagejoel
05/25/18 11:48:18 AM
#60:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not


Again, serious question...

Says who? Gender dysphoria wasn't a mental health issue 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong, it was an issue people faced and silently dealt with but it wasn't put in medical textbooks as a mental health issue AFAIK.

Is racial dysphoria a real thing that people just aren't talking about or was this chick just a crazy nutjob?

there has been plenty written about this already. I'm not sure if she's a "crazy nutjob", but she is definitely not legit
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/25/18 11:51:24 AM
#61:


CE doesn't actually communicate with black people on the regular, which is why they've come to the belief that black people actually support her.
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thelovefist
05/25/18 11:51:54 AM
#62:


averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
averagejoel posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Howl posted...
I really dont understand how people can claim transgenders can become a different gender than their birth gender, but people cannot become a different race. Both race and gender are social constructs and have more much more to do with self-identification than anything biological. Who people consider as black people in Brazil is entirely different than what people in the Unites States consider to be black.


All joking aside, me either.

You can say transgender is a metal "issue" and I get that. But how is it not the same for racial issues?

because gender dysphoria is a real thing, while racial dysphoria is not


Again, serious question...

Says who? Gender dysphoria wasn't a mental health issue 50 years ago. Don't get me wrong, it was an issue people faced and silently dealt with but it wasn't put in medical textbooks as a mental health issue AFAIK.

Is racial dysphoria a real thing that people just aren't talking about or was this chick just a crazy nutjob?

there has been plenty written about this already. I'm not sure if she's a "crazy nutjob", but she is definitely not legit

averagejoel posted...
"transracial" people are an actual thing

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DezDroppedFreak
05/25/18 11:53:47 AM
#63:


thelovefist posted...
averagejoel posted...
"transracial" people are an actual thing


No it literally isn't

Why dont you read the whole thought before derping out

Because what he said is what transracial means. It has nothing to do with identifying as another race
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hollow_shrine
05/25/18 11:54:40 AM
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thelovefist posted...
averagelol thinks it is a real thing though. He has said so in this topic.

Yeah, but he also qualified exactly what he meant by that term, and the why Rachel Dolezal still falls outside that category. Why aren't you repeating that explanation, and quoting the entire sentence in context?
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/25/18 11:56:22 AM
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Yet researching for just a few minutes I've found articles by people that are saying it is a real thing. Including researchers.
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Balrog0
05/25/18 12:03:49 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Yet researching for just a few minutes I've found articles by people that are saying it is a real thing. Including researchers.


feel free to share that, I didn't see it used in research except in conjunction with the term "adoption"

and all of the people claiming transracialism were doing so post-Dolezal in kind of a backlash sort of way (even then it wasn't super common)
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/25/18 12:16:47 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transracial_(identity) which has a snippit about half way down:

ublication of this paper resulted in considerable controversy. The subject was also explored in Trans: Gender and Race in an Age of Unsettled Identities, a 2016 book by UCLA sociology professor Rogers Brubaker, who argues that the phenomenon, though offensive to many and beset with logical problems, is psychologically real to many people, and has many examples throughout history.[5][6]

This book was put out by the publishing part of Princeton. For whatever that is worth. I don't know if they only publish books that are researched and they agree with or if they put out anything.

Also- sociologist has quotes in here
https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2017/07/12/trans-racial-when-youre-born-one-race-identify-another

Dr Peter Gale, senior lecturer in race and ethnicity at the University of South Australia, says that not only is being trans-racial is genuine thing but that it can be positive, too.


I only took the first two I looked at.

It seems there are legitimate people making points that it IS a thing.
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Balrog0
05/25/18 12:21:17 PM
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^ ah, I meant the kind of transracial identity averagejoel was talking about. Those are explicitly about the kind Rachel Dolezal supposedly is
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/25/18 12:22:28 PM
#70:


Balrog0 posted...
^ ah, I meant the kind of transracial identity averagejoel was talking about. Those are explicitly about the kind Rachel Dolezal supposedly is


Oh sorry, misunderstood. I don't know then.
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ChaoticKnuckles
05/25/18 12:26:09 PM
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I do have a question in regards to her. She said she identifies as black right? And practically everyone just laughed at her for saying that. If being transgender is a thing and needs to be respected then what makes being transracial all that different?
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thelovefist
05/25/18 12:26:58 PM
#72:


ChaoticKnuckles posted...
I do have a question in regards to her. She said she identifies as black right? And practically everyone just laughed at her for saying that. If being transgender is a thing and needs to be respected then what makes being transracial all that different?

These are the kinds of questions that the TDF doesn't want you asking.
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FrisbeeDude
05/25/18 12:30:17 PM
#73:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
CE doesn't actually communicate with black people on the regular, which is why they've come to the belief that black people actually support her.


Lmao true. They unintentionally exposed themselves. Its almost as if they've constructed the black ethos in their minds entirely from ignorance and racism

Congratulations. Yall played yourselves
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Bio1590
05/25/18 12:36:10 PM
#74:


thelovefist posted...
ChaoticKnuckles posted...
I do have a question in regards to her. She said she identifies as black right? And practically everyone just laughed at her for saying that. If being transgender is a thing and needs to be respected then what makes being transracial all that different?

These are the kinds of questions that the TDF doesn't want you asking.

Why does the "TDF" make you so buttmad
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Dabrikishaw15
05/25/18 2:13:25 PM
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Never heard of this person but that's serious scumbag behavior.
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nicklebro
05/25/18 2:16:27 PM
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Anyone make the obvious racist joke that the liberal in me won't allow me to make?
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Zikten
05/25/18 2:18:20 PM
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she also ruined some black event. they expected hundreds of people to gather. but when they heard she was going to be there, only around 12 people showed up
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hollow_shrine
05/25/18 2:20:27 PM
#78:


nicklebro posted...
Anyone make the obvious racist joke that the liberal in me won't allow me to make?

I know that joke you want to make, but lets read this article from the root referencing that joke instead.

https://www.theroot.com/dear-rachel-dolezal-being-a-welfare-queen-actually-m-1826313849
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nicklebro
05/25/18 2:38:18 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
nicklebro posted...
Anyone make the obvious racist joke that the liberal in me won't allow me to make?

I know that joke you want to make, but lets read this article from the root referencing that joke instead.

https://www.theroot.com/dear-rachel-dolezal-being-a-welfare-queen-actually-m-1826313849

Grassy ass.
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thelovefist
05/25/18 3:09:35 PM
#80:


hollow_shrine posted...


Nice racist article you posted there
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hollow_shrine
05/25/18 3:15:35 PM
#81:


thelovefist posted...
hollow_shrine posted...

Nice racist article you posted there

TjGixRe
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nicklebro
05/25/18 3:16:13 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
thelovefist posted...
hollow_shrine posted...

Nice racist article you posted there

TjGixRe

Lmao
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RE_expert44
05/25/18 3:22:27 PM
#83:


thelovefist posted...
hollow_shrine posted...

Nice racist article you posted there

When it says more whites get welfare are they going by percentage of whites total compared to other race totals, or the raw numbers? A friend wants to know.
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hollow_shrine
05/25/18 3:25:15 PM
#84:


RE_expert44 posted...
thelovefist posted...
hollow_shrine posted...

Nice racist article you posted there

When it says more whites get welfare are they going by percentage of whites total compared to other race totals, or the raw numbers? A friend wants to know.

Raw numbers. Here is the linked article:
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-welfare-black-white-780252

And the relevant paragraphs:
White people without a college degree ages 18 to 64 are the largest class of adults lifted out of poverty by such programs, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. The think tanks 2017 report stated that 6.2 million working-age whites were lifted above the poverty line in 2014 compared to 2.8 million blacks and 2.4 million Hispanics.

When it comes the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAPthe initiative formerly known as food stampsthe numbers look similar.

Just over 40 percent of SNAP recipients are white. Another 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American, according to a 2015 Department of Agriculture report.

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Balrog0
05/25/18 4:16:42 PM
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I don't understand why people write articles like that with that kind of framing. It is silly. Might as well say if you get shot by the police you're probably white (that's also true for more or less the same reasons more white people get SNAP)

edit -- apparently I was even more correct than I knew

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

According to Fatal Encounters, the database created by former Reno News & Review editor and journalism instructor Burghart (which tracks all deaths resulting from interactions with police), a total of 1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white.

That almost perfectly mirrors the shares of black and white SNAP recipients
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RE_expert44
05/25/18 4:21:47 PM
#86:


Balrog0 posted...
I don't understand why people write articles like that with that kind of framing. It is silly. Might as well say if you get shot by the police you're probably white (that's also true for more or less the same reasons more white people get SNAP)

edit -- apparently I was even more correct than I knew

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

According to Fatal Encounters, the database created by former Reno News & Review editor and journalism instructor Burghart (which tracks all deaths resulting from interactions with police), a total of 1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white.

That almost perfectly mirrors the shares of black and white SNAP recipients

Because using raw numbers fits the narritave in that case.
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