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Corrik 05/27/18 4:33:17 PM #1: |
We have one reason to point to. TLJ killed fan support and faith in the series.
Solo is bombing at the box office. Went from 150-170 million dollar opening 4 day weekend projections to now a sub 100 million dollar opening projection. Solo has bombed in India and China and Europe. There is rumblings of this movie being in line with movies such as John Carter and Lone Ranger in terms of bombs. This is incredible. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 05/27/18 4:36:34 PM #2: |
Corrik posted...
We have one reason to point to. TLJ killed fan support and faith in the series. false. another reason would be: the movie is not that great. haven't seen it yet but reactions have been pretty mixed. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punnyz 05/27/18 4:36:49 PM #3: |
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Xiahou Shake 05/27/18 4:38:47 PM #4: |
I fucking adored TLJ and I was barely even aware that Solo had come out. Really felt to me like Disney had very little faith in this movie, and that in turn made me, a massive Star Wars fan, shy away from opening weekend.
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Corrik 05/27/18 4:39:04 PM #5: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik posted...We have one reason to point to. TLJ killed fan support and faith in the series. Actually those who have seen it have said it is pretty decent. However, the problem is that people are not willing to go to the theatre to see it. Much akin to John Carter that many people liked if they saw it, but massively bombed. Grossing less than Warcraft, Exodus: God's and King's, Tomb Raider Reboot is possible and is an unmitigated disaster. When you gross almost half your top end prediction, that means you just got blindsided hard. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 4:41:04 PM #6: |
Fatigue doesn't help. It's only been what, 5 months since the TLJ?
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Corrik 05/27/18 4:41:37 PM #7: |
StealThisSheen posted...
Fatigue doesn't help. It's only been what, 5 months since the TLJ? It was a curious release date during the heart of summer movie season. Never understood why studios don't spread their movies out more. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 4:44:11 PM #8: |
Yeah, I'd say that was a huge hit, especially since it's a spinoff. Like, Marvel releases stuff close together, too, but everything all leads up to the Avengers movies, so people are more inclined to keep seeing them so they don't miss anything.
Throwing a spinoff out as a summer release so closely behind a main entry is a very odd choice. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 4:46:22 PM #9: |
I wonder if this causes Disney to now reel back on all their planned star wars entries.
Boba Fett Obi Wan GoT spinoff trilogy Rian Johnson spinoff trilogy Etc. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not_an_Owl 05/27/18 4:46:23 PM #10: |
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Shaduln 05/27/18 4:47:50 PM #11: |
I'm seeing it tomorrow!
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Corrik 05/27/18 4:49:02 PM #12: |
Shaduln posted...
I'm seeing it tomorrow! I was going to see it, but am going to see Deadpool 2 instead if I go to the theatre on my birthday. If I go to the drive in, I will see Deadpool 2/ cockblockers instead of Infinity War and Solo I guess. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 05/27/18 4:55:52 PM #13: |
Corrik posted...
Actually those who have seen it have said it is pretty decent. 1) not everyone who has seen it has said this. anagram said it sucked. the audience score on rottentomatoes is 59% at the moment. 2) "pretty decent" is not good enough. lots of other movies that play in theaters are "pretty decent" too. personally i expect more from a star wars movie. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 05/27/18 4:57:22 PM #14: |
Corrik posted...
This is incredible. Everything around this is about planning your releases more than anything else. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:02:40 PM #15: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik posted...Actually those who have seen it have said it is pretty decent. To be fair, Anagram usually says everything sucks, so that's not a huge surprise. And audience score typically isn't a good indicator of how successful something will be, since TLJ is at like, a 47%, there. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeryInsane 05/27/18 5:02:56 PM #16: |
Yeah this was pretty bad with two huge blockbusters right next to it and the last Jedi having only been a few months beforehand
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:04:10 PM #17: |
But yeah, I agree the release timing is basically the biggest offender, here.
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mnkboy907 05/27/18 5:08:03 PM #18: |
StealThisSheen posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...Corrik posted...Actually those who have seen it have said it is pretty decent. Perhaps that 47% audience rating for TLJ is why this one is doing poorly. They didn't like the last one so they aren't bothering to see this one. --- BK_Sheikah? More like BYIG_Sheikah. https://imgur.com/gw03gl7 - Number of people that D'awwed: 102 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:09:11 PM #19: |
mnkboy907 posted...
StealThisSheen posted...Mr Lasastryke posted...Corrik posted...Actually those who have seen it have said it is pretty decent. Anyone saying TLJ has nothing to do with it is absolutely naive. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeryInsane 05/27/18 5:09:48 PM #20: |
I really liked the last Jedi
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AquaArcane 05/27/18 5:10:40 PM #21: |
Solo was great, but I honestly wish they would have delayed it. At least another month, but truthfully they should just stick to December releases. Where they have virtually no competition.
That said, I thought Solo was great. And if you're a huge Star Wars fan, you should definitely see it. There's a twist near the end that got me so hyped. --- Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:10:40 PM #22: |
VeryInsane posted...
I really liked the last Jedi Thank you for your review... Lol? --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 05/27/18 5:10:45 PM #23: |
Corrik posted...
GoT spinoff trilogy hyped for Star Wars: Game of Thrones --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AquaArcane 05/27/18 5:11:19 PM #24: |
VeryInsane posted...
I really liked the last Jedi Best Star Wars movie next to Empire, hands down. --- Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 05/27/18 5:11:49 PM #25: |
Johnbobb posted...
Corrik posted...GoT spinoff trilogy Rumors that there is a scene of implied incest between a main character and his sister. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:12:14 PM #26: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Johnbobb posted...Corrik posted...GoT spinoff trilogy Dammit Luke... --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:13:29 PM #27: |
mnkboy907 posted...
Perhaps that 47% audience rating for TLJ is why this one is doing poorly. They didn't like the last one so they aren't bothering to see this one. Oh, that's very possible At the same time, though, I was moreso illustrating that the "audience" rating isn't necessarily an honest indicator. If you look at the audience reviews on RT for TLJ, for instance, it's filled with a lot of accounts that have literally only given one review and no profile information filled out giving it as low of a score as they can. EDIT: And most of those reviews say either "It's so bad I can't list the reasons" and end there or complain about political correctness --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 05/27/18 5:18:57 PM #28: |
StealThisSheen posted...
And audience score typically isn't a good indicator of how successful something will be, since TLJ is at like, a 47%, there. fair point and i probably shouldn't be talking like i'm a box office expert (because i'm not), but i do think having several poorly received movies in a row takes away some of the goodwill towards a franchise. most of the transformers movies were poorly received but they still did well at the box office UNTIL the last knight, which did badly. yes, we're still getting bumblebee but 1) that's going to be directed by travis knight, so paramount did probably go "ok this michael bay thing isn't really working anymore," and 2) i do believe that's going to be the last movie in this particular continuity. then the franchise probably gets rebooted to become part of the transformers/g.i. joe/micronauts/etc. cinematic universe. of course solo not being too well received by the audience isn't the ONLY reason it's doing poorly at the box office. jeff zero posted a pretty good list of reasons (via leonhart) in ulti's topic. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 05/27/18 5:19:54 PM #29: |
StealThisSheen posted...
At the same time, though, I was moreso illustrating that the "audience" rating isn't necessarily an honest indicator. If you look at the audience reviews on RT for TLJ, for instance, it's filled with a lot of accounts that have literally only given one review and no profile information filled out giving it as low of a score as they can. oh ok, that's fair. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:24:20 PM #30: |
StealThisSheen posted...
mnkboy907 posted...Perhaps that 47% audience rating for TLJ is why this one is doing poorly. They didn't like the last one so they aren't bothering to see this one. True. But how many also are just fanboys that give it the best score possible just because of it being star wars also? In the end, I am sure that stuff evens out. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:25:42 PM #31: |
I'd say it evens out some, but not completely.
Recent history tends to show that people are far more likely to take the time to make an account just to bitch about something/troll/whatever than they are to actually praise something. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:32:52 PM #32: |
StealThisSheen posted...
I'd say it evens out some, but not completely. Well, that is everywhere with reviews. Nobody is likely to go omg that was a good experience I can't wait to write a review saying that. They expect things to be good that they pay money for. Usually you are driven to review by bad experiences. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:34:45 PM #33: |
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...I'd say it evens out some, but not completely. Well, right. So when something gets nailed by a troll agenda, it's less likely to balance out. I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons to dislike TLJ There are some good low reviews in there. Just saying that even from just a glance through the first few pages, there were a lot of troll reviews. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 5:36:56 PM #34: |
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...StealThisSheen posted...I'd say it evens out some, but not completely. They should make you have to make verified accounts and have your first 10 or so reviews reviewed before posting to be able to submit reviews. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/27/18 5:37:54 PM #35: |
Corrik posted...
They should make you have to make verified accounts and have your first 10 or so reviews reviewed before posting to be able to submit reviews. Definitely agree with this. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoElfboy 05/27/18 5:58:36 PM #36: |
The Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic user scores are basically garbage, at least for anything remotely contraversial. I don't say this with any malice intended towards those sites - it's just a simple fact that self-selecting surveys aren't remotely representative. This is... Statistics 101 basically. If you want an actual reflection of audience opinion you need to use a random sample.
CinemaScore does this, for instance, and The Last Jedi looks just fine there (it got an A, which is the same score that The Force Awakens and Rogue One got, and better than the prequels and Solo). That said, Xiahou Shake posted... I fucking adored TLJ and I was barely even aware that Solo had come out. Really felt to me like Disney had very little faith in this movie, and that in turn made me, a massive Star Wars fan, shy away from opening weekend. This is pretty much exactly how I feel. What little I heard about Solo in the months leading up to its release was mostly negative, like "hey rumour is the new Solo actor is terrible". Now that it's actually out it sounds like people are pleasantly surprised, but only in the sense that the movie might actually be pretty good when it was expected to be... less than that. --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/27/18 6:06:27 PM #37: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
transformers/g.i. joe/micronauts/etc. cinematic universe. *spits drink* --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wedge Antilles 05/27/18 6:09:06 PM #38: |
I haven't seen it and have no real desire to do so. Not only does it just seem kind of "meh", but I really dislike Kathleen Kennedy and want her to get the boot.
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SwiftyDC 05/27/18 6:42:30 PM #39: |
The Last Jedi was an abomination and Kennedy is to blame. A lot of people that I know decided to boycott watching Solo on opening weekend and most likely entirely in theaters and will wait to see it until it comes out on DVD or other means, myself included.
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Mr Lasastryke 05/27/18 6:48:19 PM #40: |
Wedge Antilles posted...
I really dislike Kathleen Kennedy and want her to get the boot. same (that is to say, i dislike her as the head of lucasfilm. nothing against her personally). when you're making decisions about the hottest property around and you release two movies from this property in a row that get mixed reactions, you just need to go. sorry. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrestonStarry2 05/27/18 6:53:49 PM #41: |
@Corrik
Calm down. Video Game Franchises / Singers / Wrestlers With Dead Careers F-Zero Klonoa Anything Made By Rare (Perfect Dark, Banjo, Conker, etc.) Alberto Del Rio Ashlee Simpson Stacie Orrico Blink 182 Good Charlotte Rev Theory Ashley Massaro Turok: Dinosaur Hunter Michelle Branch Vanessa Hudgens Jordin Sparks Ashanti The White Stripes My Chemical Romance Darkstalkers Blinx Virtua Fighter Ciara Limp Bizkit Eve 6 Just to name a few. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 6:56:01 PM #42: |
Why are you all giving Rian Johnson a free pass for TLJ?
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Lightning Strikes 05/27/18 6:56:32 PM #43: |
Eh, it is very unlikely TLJ had much to do with the box office. Simply put, Solo was too soon, a week after a huge hit in Deadpool 2, it didn't have much marketing time (less than three months), it had a ton of bad news during production, launching in a not great weekend for Disney recently, with reviews worse than the last three. It's pretty good and audience reception has been positive so we'll see how it holds. If it had been delayed to December, this might be a very different story.
Now, if Episode IX underperforms, you may have a point. I don't think it will though, especially with 19 months of no Star Wars to build up hype. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh BKSheikah ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 05/27/18 6:57:18 PM #44: |
Corrik posted...
Why are you all giving Rian Johnson a free pass for TLJ? He made the best SW since V, no need for a pass. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 6:57:48 PM #45: |
LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...Why are you all giving Rian Johnson a free pass for TLJ? That is ridiculous. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LapisLazuli 05/27/18 6:58:09 PM #46: |
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Jakyl25 05/27/18 6:59:59 PM #47: |
Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...Corrik posted...Why are you all giving Rian Johnson a free pass for TLJ? Thats...really not that ridiculous? I like VII better but thats the only one since V --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 05/27/18 7:04:55 PM #48: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...LapisLazuli posted...Corrik posted...Why are you all giving Rian Johnson a free pass for TLJ? I am talking to people who are saying they disliked TLJ and blamed Kennedy. I don't care what people who liked the movie thought. It is about the people blaming TLJ and not RJ. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/27/18 7:07:08 PM #49: |
Oh okay. I misunderstood
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