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05/29/18 11:23:19 PM
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PS3.

I know nothing about the series or game except that you can bang your teacher and someone wears a catgirl suit. I think there's a guy who summons demons by shooting himself in the head, but that might be a different series. Is there anything I should know going in?
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WhiteLens
05/29/18 11:25:54 PM
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I think there's a guy who summons demons by shooting himself in the head

That's Persona 3, which you could also get on PS3 through PS2 Classics. Sames goes with Persona 4.

Maybe you could try starting with those first, but there's nothing wrong with starting with P5.
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SupremeZero
05/30/18 12:05:25 AM
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WhiteLens posted...
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I think there's a guy who summons demons by shooting himself in the head

That's Persona 3, which you could also get on PS3 through PS2 Classics. Sames goes with Persona 4.

Maybe you could try starting with those first, but there's nothing wrong with starting with P5.

I mean

Going back and playing the old games after playing P5 is kind of hard.

You CAN do it, I suppose, but why would you really.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 12:08:10 AM
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P3P will be easy to go back to. P4G less so but it's doable.
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BlueCrystalTear
05/30/18 12:11:18 AM
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tag

also Persona 3 and 4 are worth sinking 100 hours into, if you have the time. Going back to 3 from 5 is very, very difficult. Going back to 4 is fine.

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Is there anything I should know going in?

The game uses a "day" system. You only have so many days.

For P5 only... go all the way to the "Treasure Room" when you get there. You need to "secure your route" before sending a "calling card." A boss fight will not trigger until you have sent the calling card. Some players wasted a day by having to return to the dungeon twice.

That's the only gameplay tip I'll give you for now. Enjoy the game!
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 12:16:18 AM
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It's easy to go back to P4G since it's a better game than P5
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MZero11
05/30/18 12:54:43 AM
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Good purchase

I was in the same boat as you and it's a great game. I tried to play Persona 4 after and that didn't end well
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KommunistKoala
05/30/18 12:56:20 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
It's easy to go back to P4G since it's a better game than P5

https://i.redd.it/tw11err3aqyy.jpg
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guffguy89
05/30/18 12:59:34 AM
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Persona 4 is small town, Persona 5 is big city. I played Persona 4 first and loved it. Playing Persona 5 was a little overwhelming for me at first because there was a lot more places to go. I imagine if I played 5 first, then 4, 4 might seem more simplistic than it really is.
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xp1337
05/30/18 1:00:56 AM
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SupremeZero posted...
Going back and playing the old games after playing P5 is kind of hard.

You CAN do it, I suppose, but why would you really.

to save the best game (P3) for last of course
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 1:16:20 AM
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KommunistKoala posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
It's easy to go back to P4G since it's a better game than P5

https://i.redd.it/tw11err3aqyy.jpg


yes even knowing the greatness of Kawakami P4G is still the better game
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MikeTavish
05/30/18 2:15:34 AM
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I actually dont understand how anyone could think P4G is better than P5.

Theyre both incredible experiences, but P5 is almost better in every way (soundtrack and story can be argued, I actually think P4G has the better story) because they took the mechanics from P4G and added to/upgraded them.

By the end of P4G I was just rushing through the dungeons because

A) It was so easy and I was overleveled from doing all the quests (even on hard mode)
and B) The dungeons arent interesting, outside of visuals theyre all almost exactly the same so when youre 8 dungeons in or whatever youve gotten bored of the same old shit.

P5s dungeons alone make it better than P4G imo.

At any rate, enjoy Persona 5! Its my favourite game of all time, and its a hell of a ride.
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xp1337
05/30/18 2:19:37 AM
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MikeTavish posted...
I actually dont understand how anyone could think P4G is better than P5.

Story, Characters, Music. And it wins those first two by quite a bit!

P5's gameplay is definitely better but I dunno, gameplay isn't really the selling point for Persona to me. And tbqh, with the possible exception of P3/FES, none of them are really difficult.
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MikeTavish
05/30/18 2:24:12 AM
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xp1337 posted...
MikeTavish posted...
I actually dont understand how anyone could think P4G is better than P5.

Story, Characters, Music. And it wins those first two by quite a bit!

P5's gameplay is definitely better but I dunno, gameplay isn't really the selling point for Persona to me. And tbqh, with the possible exception of P3/FES, none of them are really difficult.


Gameplay is always the #1 thing to me. If I ever get bored with the game itself, the game loses tons of points. So even though I agree with the story being better in P4G (characters and music in 5 are better though), the redundancy and boredom I felt by the time I was running through the last dungeon drops P4Gs rating in my mind.

You spend half the game running through dungeons in these things, so having them be unique is a huge boon for P5.
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Xiahou Shake
05/30/18 2:42:11 AM
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P5's gameplay is a thing of beauty. It weaves together the generally individual mechanics of P3/P4 into a delicious swirl of addictive glory - to the point that going back to a game where those mechanics aren't so well incorporated/woven together is really hard to think about.

I'm definitely willing to give P4 the big edge on story and characters, but I think P5 wins out on music by a hair and the gameplay alone totally crushes the older games.
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tcaz2
05/30/18 2:53:46 AM
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P5's gameplay is definitely better but to a very large extent I couldn't care less about it. No matter how good the gameplay is I am definitely going to get bored of it in a 100+ hour game, so story and characters holding my attention is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more important to me.
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red13n
05/30/18 3:05:01 AM
#17:


skip Persona 3. Game was trash tier.

Play Persona 4 so you arent spoiled by improvements in Persona 5.
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SwiftyDC
05/30/18 3:43:46 AM
#18:


I want an AO-Rated Persona.
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 8:29:19 AM
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MikeTavish posted...
P5s dungeons alone make it better than P4G imo.


I don't play Persona for the dungeons, so no.
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Sceptilesolar
05/30/18 8:46:12 AM
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I hope you enjoy it, and also ignore everyone telling you you're playing the wrong one.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 9:56:50 AM
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MikeTavish posted...
I actually dont understand how anyone could think P4G is better than P5.

They love anime archetypes and waifus and such
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 9:58:55 AM
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Also P3 has by far the best story so 4 having a slightly better story than 5 isn't really something to write home about. They both pale in comparison to 5.
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Ashethan
05/30/18 10:01:25 AM
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MikeTavish posted...
I actually dont understand how anyone could think P4G is better than P5.


Really? You don't understand how someone might not share the same opinion as you?

Persona 5 is a fun game, but overall the story slogs at times. It does in Persona 4 too, but those slogs tend to be a lot of fun, while the slogs in Persona 5 aren't.
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KujikawaRising
05/30/18 10:02:43 AM
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(corrected)
foolm0r0n posted...
They both pale in comparison to 5.

I'm confused by this number stuff <_<
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 10:05:12 AM
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Oops I meant 3

4/5 to 3 which is why 5 > 4

I mean what's confusing about that
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Ashethan
05/30/18 10:06:26 AM
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Persona 3's story is pretty weak. It's atmosphere is great, but the story is easily the weakest of the 3.
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tazzyboyishere
05/30/18 10:10:14 AM
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Good game. I liked the others better, but I'd also played those when I still enjoyed turn-based combat.
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KujikawaRising
05/30/18 10:12:15 AM
#28:


You have it backwards, though.

In order from most to least important:
Characters: P4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> P5 > P3
Story: P3 > P4 >>> P5
Gameplay: P5 > P4 >>>>>>>>>>>> P3
Setting: P4 > P5 >>>>> P3
Music: P5 > P3 > P4 (P4 only has ROTT and a couple others)
Graphics: P5 >>> P4 > P3
Intangibles: P3 > P4 >>> P5

OVERALL: P4 > P5 > P3

P3's best intangible is how it divides the battles/story best. That's its best overall feature.

P4's characters, however, make the game amazing. P4's cast feel like my actual friends. It takes a rare breed of game to do that. I can only think of one other. For that reason alone, I say it's the best.
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Eddv
05/30/18 10:27:16 AM
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I hated 4s characters.

3 and 5 are so much better its not even funny.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 10:27:33 AM
#30:


Ashethan posted...
Persona 3's story is pretty weak. It's atmosphere is great, but the story is easily the weakest of the 3.

It has the best structure where stuff actually happens and it isn't so formulaic (like seasons of a TV show in 4/5). The last month is also the best thing in the whole series.

But I guess I do remember long stretches of time where nothing really happens. That's in all the games though.
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05/30/18 10:28:19 AM
#31:


Why does no one discuss Persona 1 and 2?
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KujikawaRising
05/30/18 10:32:52 AM
#32:


Eddv posted...
I hated 4s characters.

You need a soul.

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Why does no one discuss Persona 1 and 2?

Persona 1 "doesn't exist."
I haven't played 2 and have heard it's good. It just... doesn't have the mechanics that 3, 4, and 5 have. It feels like a different series so it's not grouped with the rest of them.
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tcaz2
05/30/18 10:36:27 AM
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Why does no one discuss Persona 1 and 2?

They're very different from 3 on. The series was basically rebooted.

1 is... eh. Its playable, but its not really that good.

2 is legit, though. The only problem is that its split into two games and we only got a good remake of the first one on PSP, the second is on PS1 (and thus doesn't have the UI updates and stuff the first has so its a downgrade) and has an absolutely garbage-tier localization that almost reads like its machine translated. But if you can get over that, 2 is really good.

Both 1 and 2 play entirely differently from 3 on. There's no school life sim stuff (though they are set in schools) and the battle system is very different.
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Ashethan
05/30/18 10:37:48 AM
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Sure, 3 had a good balance between story and gameplay. None of the games since have matched that.

But 3 had this:

"Hey guys, we're going to forget that we lived with each other for the past year. Or that time we went to the beach together, which had nothing to do with Shadows. Also that time we went to the hot spring together and tried spying on the girls which ALSO had nothing to do with shadows.

And honestly, there's not much meat to the story. The balance and structure are good, but the content leaves a little more to be desired than 4 & 5.
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Eddv
05/30/18 10:40:59 AM
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3 is just really smooth and has some of the best social links

4s arbitrary stop points,short dungeons, and gratingly annoying cast really hold it back

5 has some of 4s problems, but the Dungeons have so much more meat on them and then its own mini-tartarus. Toss in a few really awesome social links and the first couple of really great romantic options the series has had and its probably the best.
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swordz9
05/30/18 10:41:21 AM
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5 is good and has lots of style. The dungeons, battles and social links are done really well, but the main things most people love were done terribly in P5. The cast leaves a lot to be desired compared to 3-4 and they ruined like all the typical events people get excited about that are usually really funny and stuff. Hoping it gets an enhanced port where they throw in some great group dynamic
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tcaz2
05/30/18 10:44:55 AM
#37:


Eddv posted...
3 is just really smooth and has some of the best social links

4s arbitrary stop points ... and gratingly annoying cast really hold it back

Are you sure 3 and 4 aren't mixed up in your head
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 10:44:56 AM
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Why does no one discuss Persona 1 and 2?

not even b8 is hipster enough to have played them
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Eddv
05/30/18 10:45:22 AM
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The cast is fine they just never really develop aside from in "their" dungeon.

I think the text chains do a lot of the group dynamic stuff well without needing to resort to like SPECIAL EVENTS.

That said, yeah when it inevitably gets an enhanced PS5/4 port I have no doubt it will beef up that area.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 10:47:23 AM
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swordz9 posted...
they ruined like all the typical events people get excited about

No they didn't, you ruined it for yourself

That reminds me that 5 is by far the strongest thematically. I like 3's themes better, but 5 goes so hard into its theme.
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Eddv
05/30/18 10:47:34 AM
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tcaz2 posted...
Eddv posted...
3 is just really smooth and has some of the best social links

4s arbitrary stop points ... and gratingly annoying cast really hold it back

Are you sure 3 and 4 aren't mixed up in your head


Annoying as hell:
Teddy
Chie
Yukiko
Yosuke

Tolerable:
Rise

Decent:
Naoto
Kanji

This is not a strong cast.
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Tom Bombadil
05/30/18 10:48:11 AM
#42:


Eddv posted...
I hated 4s characters.

3 are so much better


3 has Aigis but otherwise lol
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tcaz2
05/30/18 10:49:53 AM
#43:


Eddv posted...
Decent:
Ryuji


Ryuji isn't even in 4

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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 10:50:47 AM
#44:


Tom Bombadil posted...
3 has Aigis but otherwise lol

They're all good except Ken (disclaimer: I only played P3P)
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Eddv
05/30/18 10:53:33 AM
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Eat my ass Tcaz

And yeah 3 actually I think has the strongest cast because they arent as hamstrung by the social links system and so can have development that isnt tied to whether or not you go on a date.
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Tom Bombadil
05/30/18 10:54:16 AM
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Waifu:
Aigis

animals are cheating:
Koromaru

meh:
Yukari
Ken
Akihiko
the other guy

actively dislike:
Junpei
Mitsuru
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tcaz2
05/30/18 11:09:35 AM
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Eddv posted...
Eat my ass Tcaz

I charge for my services tyvm

No sexual favors for free
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LordoftheMorons
05/30/18 11:18:05 AM
#48:


All three are really good, though going back to 3 takes a bit of getting used to after 4/5 (I played FES; my understanding is that Portable won't give you quite as much whiplash gameplay-wise but has some other changes that some people dislike).

For P5 if you're playing without a guide: get Death 7, max Temperance, and Fortune 7 ASAP. The former basically eliminates SP issues and the other two will give you a lot more breathing room for social links.

Oh and Sun I guess because apparently he becomes unavailable at some point

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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 11:37:16 AM
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I would add Sun 2 to that list for fast monies
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swordz9
05/30/18 12:48:11 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
swordz9 posted...
they ruined like all the typical events people get excited about

No they didn't, you ruined it for yourself

That reminds me that 5 is by far the strongest thematically. I like 3's themes better, but 5 goes so hard into its theme.

They ruined it for almost 100% of the fans so its not just me. Youre like the only guy I have ever seen who actually thinks those events being terrible was good. Everybody else was rightfully disappointed
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