Current Events > Is this prank fair? Injuring bike thieves

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Darklit_Minuet posted...

nicklebro posted...

See? See how you're actually defending the actions of violent criminals? I never once said stealing bikes should be legal, but you are literally defending violent criminals.

"I'm not saying stealing bikes should be legal, I'm just saying that trying to prevent your bike from being stolen should be illegal"

Same fucking difference

Pretty much
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Nickel tagged as troll
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nicklebro posted...

I'm not feeding you anymore.

You're just afraid to continue to keep on debating.

You can't lock your bike up without booby trapping it? I use a bike lock.... Why is that so are for you to figure out?

Guess what most locks for bikes also happen to connect to Chains / Rope to wrap around a big immovable object. Guess what the Video Creator did, he locked his bike around a big object with a giant rope.

You do understand that the law is on my side while you're advocating changing the law to protect violent criminals right? So regardless of your ignorant opinion and stupid remarks, you're still defending a violent criminal. That's the only fact that matters.

You do know that you're trying to criminalize people for defending their own property right using a simple rope as a restraining device? And the law isn't on anybody in particular's side, it just exists. It gets manipulated by people all the time. You're supporting making it easier for criminals to perform their acts of thievery. That's the only fact that matters.
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nicklebro posted...

If the rope or chain is long enough for someone to ride a decent distance away, then it is a real attempt to hurt someone. I mean you understand that the point of this video was to laugh at people getting hurt right?

Lol man the mental gymnastics ITT could complete in the Olympics.

Laughing at people getting hurt is secondary to seeing how many people are out there who would rob a bike if it looks easy to steal.
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I'm not feeding you anymore.
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nicklebro posted...

I'm not feeding you anymore.

That's your only statement for running away from arguing?
You have no Speech & Debate Cajones.
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nicklebro posted...

If the rope or chain is long enough for someone to ride a decent distance away, then it is a real attempt to hurt someone. I mean you understand that the point of this video was to laugh at people getting hurt right?

Lol man the mental gymnastics ITT could complete in the Olympics.

No it's not.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Guess what most locks for bikes also happen to connect to Chains / Rope to wrap around a big immovable object. Guess what the Video Creator did, he locked his bike around a big object with a giant rope.

Yep, it is the same as securing it some other way. I mean some bike thief might not notice your lock and chain, pull your bike away quickly and wind up hurt.
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uwnim posted...

Yep, it is the same as securing it some other way. I mean some bike thief might not notice your lock and chain, pull your bike away quickly and wind up hurt.

If you're stupid enough to not notice a giant pile of rope sitting on the ground right next to the bike, wrapped through the frame, & you steal it; that's on you the thief. Not the victim of the owner.

It's not like the owner put a remote bomb kill switch on his bike or poison gas to the face release canister.

He LITERALLY secured his bike with rope / lock / chain. The most bog standard way of securing your bike.
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nicklebro posted...

violent criminals

quit saying this. nothing was violent
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spudger posted...

nicklebro posted...

violent criminals

quit saying this. nothing was violent

It's a fact, just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.
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Sure. I think its pretty funny. People who are selfish enough to think that they can take what somebody else owns deserve to bust their ass. Its not like he broke glass on the ground.
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nicklebro posted...

It's a fact, just cuz you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

Just because you call it that doesn't make it true.
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This is pretty much entrapment isn't it?
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El Mexicano Texano posted...

This is pretty much entrapment isn't it?

It's only entrapment if the police or government does it. Otherwise it's okay

El Mexicano Texano posted...

This is pretty much entrapment isn't it?

Entrapment is a specific thing that law enforcement does to engineer a crime where there isn't any.

Example:

NOT ENTRAPMENT:
Cop: Wanna buy this cocaine?
Guy: Sure
Cop: I'm arresting you for buying cocaine.

ENTRAPMENT:
Cop: Wanna buy this baking powder?
Guy: Sure
Cop: JK it's actually cocaine now you're under arrest.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

El Mexicano Texano posted...

This is pretty much entrapment isn't it?

Entrapment is a specific thing that law enforcement does to engineer a crime where there isn't any.

Example:

NOT ENTRAPMENT:
Cop: Wanna buy this cocaine?
Guy: Sure
Cop: I'm arresting you for buying cocaine.

ENTRAPMENT:
Cop: Wanna buy this baking powder?
Guy: Sure
Cop: JK it's actually cocaine now you're under arrest.

But the first of those is them engineering a crime where there isn't any

Yeah.... Fairest of nexts. I only watched the vid to see how "hidden" the cable connecting the bike to something was. If you didn't see that 10+ foot chain keeping the bike connected to a huge immobile object then that's your fault.

Aside from that, this was super staged. Fakest shit I've ever seen.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

But the first of those is them engineering a crime where there isn't any

The crime is the guy is buying cocaine. The first example is called a sting and it's legal. The second example is called entrapment and it's not legal.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

But the first of those is them engineering a crime where there isn't any

The crime is the guy is buying cocaine. The first example is called a sting and it's legal. The second example is called entrapment and it's not legal.

Except the guy wouldn't be buying cocaine if the cop didn't offer to sell him cocaine. Thus, the crime would not have taken place.

This is why I'm against sting operations. They should be made illegal.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Except the guy wouldn't be buying cocaine if the cop didn't offer to sell him cocaine. Thus, the crime would not have taken place.

That's not the case. The guy would have bought cocaine regardless.

In the other case, the cop took a deliberate action to turn an innocent act (buying baking powder) into a crime.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Except the guy wouldn't be buying cocaine if the cop didn't offer to sell him cocaine. Thus, the crime would not have taken place.

But in that instance the man was perfectly willing to buy the cocaine. His behavior is "normal" for him. The police officer didn't threaten him, etc. to get him to buy the cocaine.
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Anteaterking posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Except the guy wouldn't be buying cocaine if the cop didn't offer to sell him cocaine. Thus, the crime would not have taken place.

But in that instance the man was perfectly willing to buy the cocaine. His behavior is "normal" for him. The police officer didn't threaten him, etc. to get him to buy the cocaine.

Putting aside that nobody should be put to jail for buying drugs in the first place, I disagree with this premise entirely. Being willing to try something doesn't make it normal for one.

Have you never tried a meal at someone's recommendation? Have you never bought something simply because someone offered it to you? Today I saw an ad online about a cheap bike so I was like oh what the hell and bought it. I wasn't seeking a bike, buying bikes isn't normal behavior for me, and it would never have been purchased if someone didn't offer to sell me it for a low price.

I'm not a druggie, but if someone offers to let me try something, I might take em up on that offer. Sure as hell won't be trying meth or heroin or any of the big boy drugs, but the willingness to try something offered to you should not make you a criminal.

I swear, some people act like impulse buying isn't a thing that exists

Honestly.
The people behind this could really face some hot water, considering the fact that they can potentially kill another person by botching a bike.
The moment you tamper with a part of another vehicle to the point it becomes unsafe to drive, you the owner of said vehicle are responsible for that outcome of whatever mayhem it has in store.
You can straight up get charged for attempted manslaughter, maybe even murder (depending who you ask) if someone decided to pursue the case.
I know I would if someone tried to kill me with broken bike/car
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Honestly.
The people behind this could really face some hot water, considering the fact that they can potentially kill another person by botching a bike.
The moment you tamper with a part of another vehicle to the point it becomes unsafe to drive, you the owner of said vehicle are responsible for that outcome of whatever mayhem it has in store.
You can straight up get charged for attempted manslaughter, maybe even murder (depending who you ask) if someone decided to pursue the case.
I know I would if someone tried to kill me with broken bike/car

You do sound like you would.

You would be a criminal who would want to sue for trying to steal something and got hurt in the process of stealing. Be proud of that.
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DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

Honestly.
The people behind this could really face some hot water, considering the fact that they can potentially kill another person by botching a bike.
The moment you tamper with a part of another vehicle to the point it becomes unsafe to drive, you the owner of said vehicle are responsible for that outcome of whatever mayhem it has in store.
You can straight up get charged for attempted manslaughter, maybe even murder (depending who you ask) if someone decided to pursue the case.
I know I would if someone tried to kill me with broken bike/car

You do sound like you would.

You would be a criminal who would want to sue for trying to steal something and got hurt in the process of stealing. Be proud of that.

and you realize it's a felony to tamper with a vehicle to the point it's fully capable of killing another human being?
It's no more different than a restaurant not placing "wet floor" signs when the floor is wet.
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Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.
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Oh you deleted your comment.
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DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Oh you deleted your comment.

I accidentally quoted myself, when I meant to fix an edit...
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I have no problem with this. Someone stole my bike when I left it outside of a Taco Bell for two minutes while I went inside to order when I was a kid.

Fuck thieves.
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DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.

That is how you see it, and thats fine. I cant change your mind and Im not going to spend any time trying.

We wont ever see it because literally every one of these shitbags got up and ran. So its really a fruitless argument.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.
On top of all of this, you recorded said footage without the victims knowledge. And for what, the sake of satire?
If the victim dies, and you manage to have footage of it...
Well, all I can say is... that you have hard evidence on your hands

It's not tampering with your bike to lock it up >_>

By that logic locking your car door is illegal because someone might cut themselves when they break the window trying to get in and steal it. Aside from the fact that stealing the bike is illegal in the first place, the mechanism used to tether the bike was clearly visible to anyone who looked at it for more that a few seconds. There's not a jury in the world that would convict someone over this, and you'd be damn hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to even push the case forward
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fire_bolt posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.
On top of all of this, you recorded said footage without the victims knowledge. And for what, the sake of satire?
If the victim dies, and you manage to have footage of it...
Well, all I can say is... that you have hard evidence on your hands

It's not tampering with your bike to lock it up >_>

By that logic locking your car door is illegal because someone might cut themselves when they break the window trying to get in and steal it. Aside from the fact that stealing the bike is illegal in the first place, the mechanism used to tether the bike was clearly visible to anyone who looked at it for more that a few seconds. There's not a jury in the world that would convict someone over this, and you'd be damn hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to even push the case forward

Stealing is illegal, but sabotaging your own property to the point it defies its own "safety mechanisms" is also illegal especially if places other people's lives at stake.
And to record the death of another person? As if said person dying was not enough, you must humiliate him/her even further by capturing their death on camera?
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Jiek_Fafn posted...

It's clearly their own fault. We have helmets for a reason. They should've stolen one of those first.

lol
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Seems like a good way to get sued. But obviously fake so whatever
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Darkrobotisback posted...

fire_bolt posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.
On top of all of this, you recorded said footage without the victims knowledge. And for what, the sake of satire?
If the victim dies, and you manage to have footage of it...
Well, all I can say is... that you have hard evidence on your hands

It's not tampering with your bike to lock it up >_>

By that logic locking your car door is illegal because someone might cut themselves when they break the window trying to get in and steal it. Aside from the fact that stealing the bike is illegal in the first place, the mechanism used to tether the bike was clearly visible to anyone who looked at it for more that a few seconds. There's not a jury in the world that would convict someone over this, and you'd be damn hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to even push the case forward

Stealing is illegal, but sabotaging your own property to the point it defies its own "safety mechanisms" is also illegal especially if places other people's lives at stake.
And to record the death of another person? As if said person dying was not enough, you must humiliate him/her even further by capturing their death on camera?

Locking up your bike isn't sabotaging it in any way, troll. That is, in fact, standard procedure with ANY vehicle. Trying to paint it as such just makes you look ridiculously pendantic. Regardless of the legality of stealing a bike, the thief not having enough sense to check and see if it is secured is completely on them
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Im pretty sure the ppl in these prank videos signed release forms to have their faces shown otherwise they get the blurry face
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fire_bolt posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

fire_bolt posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Please, show me your States law that considers a bicycle a vehicle and the statute that shows its illegal to lock your bicycle up with a tether.

The way I see it. You purposely placed a device that collapses the bike when it's mobile. That device makes the bike become hazard, simply because the person riding the bike could easily fall off the bike and potentially crack their head or worse.
If they die, the family could sue you. If they don't die, the guy afflicted with said injuries could sue you.
On top of all of this, you recorded said footage without the victims knowledge. And for what, the sake of satire?
If the victim dies, and you manage to have footage of it...
Well, all I can say is... that you have hard evidence on your hands

It's not tampering with your bike to lock it up >_>

By that logic locking your car door is illegal because someone might cut themselves when they break the window trying to get in and steal it. Aside from the fact that stealing the bike is illegal in the first place, the mechanism used to tether the bike was clearly visible to anyone who looked at it for more that a few seconds. There's not a jury in the world that would convict someone over this, and you'd be damn hard pressed to find a prosecutor willing to even push the case forward

Stealing is illegal, but sabotaging your own property to the point it defies its own "safety mechanisms" is also illegal especially if places other people's lives at stake.
And to record the death of another person? As if said person dying was not enough, you must humiliate him/her even further by capturing their death on camera?

Locking up your bike isn't sabotaging it in any way, troll. That is, in fact, standard procedure with ANY vehicle. Trying to paint it as such just makes you look ridiculously pendantic. Regardless of the legality of stealing a bike, the thief not having enough sense to check and see if it is secured is completely on them

One thing is to lock the bike (not making it operable), it's a completely different thing if you set up a mechanism that causes the bike to collapse after a certain number of pedals are achieved or whatnot.
The vehicle is at motion, therefore the loss of human life is exponentially greater and it's a bike too. There's nothing protecting the guy if he/she falls and snaps their neck.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

The vehicle is at motion, therefore the loss of human life is exponentially greater and it's a bike too. There's nothing protecting the guy if he/she falls and snaps there neck.

Eh...nothing of value would be lost anyway

Darkrobotisback posted...

There's nothing protecting the guy if he/she falls and snaps their neck.

The common good decency to not be a thief would've prevented that entire situation.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

The vehicle is at motion, therefore the loss of human life is exponentially greater and it's a bike too. There's nothing protecting the guy if he/she falls and snaps there neck.

Eh...nothing of value would be lost anyway

Except you having to face some legal actions, prior to the death of another person, all of which could of easily had been avoid if the bike was not placed there in the first place.
It's a lose/lose situation.
The guy dies, you go to prison for his death.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Except you having to face some legal actions, prior to the death of another person, all of which could of easily had been avoid led if the bike was not placed there in the first place.
It's a lose/lose situation.
The guy dies, you go to prison for his death.

The Bicycle's owner is allowed to setup the Bicycle anywhere they want, it's not the owners fault a dumb thief goes onto steal the Bicycle.
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Thats called victim blaming...
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I skipped every post so I'm sure it's been said but that video is so fucking fake it hurts. Everyone who hops on smiles like a moron and even after they eat shit they laugh. That and the camera guy is obviously like 30 feet away
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Rika_Furude posted...

Thats called victim blaming...

In this case, you have the wrong person labeled as the Victim. The person who's Bicycle was attempted to be stolen is the REAL VICTIM.

The attempted Thief is the Perpetrator.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Thats called victim blaming...

In this case, you have the wrong person labeled as the Victim. The person who's Bicycle was attempted to be stolen is the REAL VICTIM.

The attempted Thief is the Perpetrator.

Thats what im saying
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@darkrobotisback how do you feel about those anti-rape devices women can buy? They are like a reverse condom lined with hundreds of spikes, which impale the rapist, are exceedingly painful and cant be removed without a medical profesionals help.. If a rapist gets caught in one, should the women be charged?
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