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WhySoSirius
06/02/18 1:54:47 PM
#51:


Howl posted...
Most of those people are also likely guilty of a crime. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise?

Okay, you didn't even watch the video. most people do prove their innocence but the cops keep the money because the money(or car, house, etc) is what's being charged with a crime, not the person
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Howl
06/02/18 1:55:07 PM
#52:


JE19426 posted...
Howl posted...
What does this mean exactly?


It means they good reason to search the place now instead of getting a warrant first. Using exigent circumstances if a police officer hears a couple loudly arguing and one of the couple screams "no please don't shoot" followed by a gun shot, the police can search the house now instead of getting a warrant.


Is there specific criteria for what constitutes "good reason." If not then cops could say anything like the man who lives there was acting suspicious.
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darkjedilink
06/02/18 1:55:11 PM
#53:


JE19426 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
There were none of those here, bruh.


Correct, there was absolutely no mention of any houses being searched without a warrant.

There was no warrant for that "weapons sweep." They literally rolled up to an apartment building and raided it, then bragged about getting a pair of scissors and some pliers "off the street" like they took down a fucking drug cartel.
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JE19426
06/02/18 1:57:30 PM
#54:


Howl posted...
Is there specific criteria for what constitutes "good reason." If not then cops could say anything like the man who lives there was acting suspicious.


That's up to the judge and jury, just like it is in the USA.

darkjedilink posted...
They literally rolled up to an apartment building and raided it,


So why did they lie about where they got it from? Also do you that they did lie about the location they got them from?

Edit: Also do you have evidence they had no warrant for the weapon sweep.
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 1:58:15 PM
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Awesome posted...
Up next after knives? Baseball bats, sorry kids no sports for you. After that? They will get rid of all trees because people will be solidifying tree branches and also carving some into forms able to stab. Instead of getting rid of the main problem they are circling around it.

Not sure if true, but I've heard that carrying around a baseball bat in you car needed to be alongside a glove and baseball.

Or a ax handle needs to oddly have a blade on the end.

Because they can be viewed as weapons if not.


It is true. I used to keep one in my car. A friend who used to be a cop said it's considered a concealed weapon and I could get in trouble with the law without a concealed permit. Not in my car anymore
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Funkydog
06/02/18 1:59:53 PM
#56:


Infinite 2003 posted...
GregShmedley posted...
SCqBCo8

Yes, this is real. No, it isn't satire.


Literally laughed out loud.

Silly as calling them weapons usually might be, they were likely found discarded in a bush and collected so included in their search for more traditional weapons.

Still a bit much to include them though
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SRR Capdown
06/02/18 2:02:12 PM
#57:


Arcanine2009 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
The UK government has literally collapsed into lunacy.

Isn't the UK the knife stabbing capital of the world?


Knife murders are higher per-capita in America than they are in the UK.

Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides due to knives or cutting instruments in the US for every million of population in 2016.

In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017.


Source;
http://www.euronews.com/amp/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

And in case anyone is gonna question the source;

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/euronews/

It'shilarious how Americans claim to be less of a police state or more 'free that other countries, when they statistically have a lower social mobility, less freedom of press, less access to healthcare (despite paying more per capita in the govt alone) and higher murder rates than any other western nation. Not to mention the fact that, per capita, hey have more people in prison than any other country in the world.
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 2:05:23 PM
#58:


Do we make people get their teeth filed down? if I go full bat poop crazy I could bite someone in the throat.
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darkjedilink
06/02/18 2:05:29 PM
#59:


SRR Capdown posted...
Arcanine2009 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
The UK government has literally collapsed into lunacy.

Isn't the UK the knife stabbing capital of the world?


Knife murders are higher per-capita in America than they are in the UK.

Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides due to knives or cutting instruments in the US for every million of population in 2016.

In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017.


Source;
http://www.euronews.com/amp/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

And in case anyone is gonna question the source;

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/euronews/

It'shilarious how Americans claim to be less of a police state or more 'free that other countries, when they statistically have a lower social mobility, less freedom of press, less access to healthcare (despite paying more per capita in the govt alone) and higher murder rates than any other western nation. Not to mention the fact that, per capita, hey have more people in prison than any other country in the world.

Those stats actually don't work, specifically because they aren't the same timeframe.

And how the fuck do we have "less freedom of the press?"
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 2:06:42 PM
#60:


Do we ban pens and pencils? Like where does it end? With proper knowledge and techniques you can kill with almost anything
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Howl
06/02/18 2:08:09 PM
#61:


darkjedilink posted...
SRR Capdown posted...
Arcanine2009 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
The UK government has literally collapsed into lunacy.

Isn't the UK the knife stabbing capital of the world?


Knife murders are higher per-capita in America than they are in the UK.

Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides due to knives or cutting instruments in the US for every million of population in 2016.

In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017.


Source;
http://www.euronews.com/amp/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

And in case anyone is gonna question the source;

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/euronews/

It'shilarious how Americans claim to be less of a police state or more 'free that other countries, when they statistically have a lower social mobility, less freedom of press, less access to healthcare (despite paying more per capita in the govt alone) and higher murder rates than any other western nation. Not to mention the fact that, per capita, hey have more people in prison than any other country in the world.

Those stats actually don't work, specifically because they aren't the same timeframe.

And how the fuck do we have "less freedom of the press?"


IDK especially considering Tommy Robinson was literally just imprisoned for filming outside of a trial.
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 2:08:44 PM
#62:


Ban water because you can drown people in it!
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Offworlder1
06/02/18 2:14:02 PM
#63:


First the UK came and took your guns, now they are coming to take your knives, yeah good job on keeping ways to defend yourselves brits, I hope the criminals decide to follow these laws or you might as well just bend over for them when they come at you.

This is the future the anti gunners want in the US and why we cant afford to give them an inch. We need not join the victims, instead we need to keep our rights not sacrifice them for security.
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BlazeAndBlade
06/02/18 2:14:16 PM
#64:


mattnd2007 posted...
Ban water because you can drown people in it!


ban time because it kills more people than anything else
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 2:14:56 PM
#65:


BlazeAndBlade posted...
mattnd2007 posted...
Ban water because you can drown people in it!


ban time because it kills more people than anything else


Oh shit you're right. We've got to do something about the passage of time.
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WhySoSirius
06/02/18 2:15:09 PM
#66:


BlazeAndBlade posted...
ban time because it kills more people than anything else

better yet, ban Death!

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pikachupwnage
06/02/18 2:18:56 PM
#67:


Howl posted...
WhySoSirius posted...
Howl posted...
This is 100% false. Lol why are you just literally making s*** up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks" data-time="


Nothing in that video suggests at all if you can prove you weren't guilty that you can't retreive it.


Exactly. They are holding your stuff on mere suspicion and making you prove your innocence to get it back instead of proving your guilt to take your stuff.

You are being punished before guilt is established.
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WhySoSirius
06/02/18 2:20:28 PM
#68:


pikachupwnage posted...
Exactly. They are holding your stuff on mere suspicion and making you prove your innocence to get it back instead of proving your guilt.


Which still goes against "innocent until proven guilty' like some Salem trial

And once again, it's not the person being charged with a crime, it's the money/object
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refmon
06/02/18 2:26:33 PM
#69:


Howl posted...
But liberals told me there is no slippery slope when it comes to gun control regulations in the United States... How is this possible???

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frozenshock
06/02/18 2:26:50 PM
#70:


mattnd2007 posted...
Do we ban pens and pencils? Like where does it end? With proper knowledge and techniques you can kill with almost anything


Ban knowledge and techniques
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Monolith1676
06/02/18 2:29:20 PM
#71:


GregShmedley posted...
SCqBCo8

Yes, this is real. No, it isn't satire.


Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave so much that he came out the other side of the Earth.
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southcoast09
06/02/18 2:32:24 PM
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This is so pathetic. Yet people wonder why Americans opposed globalism those people telling us what to do.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
06/02/18 2:36:17 PM
#73:


I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....
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cjsdowg
06/02/18 2:39:27 PM
#74:


Cops arrested Freddy Gray on a Trump up Knife charged and you guys didn't seem to take an issue with that.
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Howl
06/02/18 2:40:28 PM
#75:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


Me too, there are an excessive amount of liberals here that defend stuff like this and are incapble of logicl reasoning.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
06/02/18 2:41:13 PM
#76:


Howl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


Me too, there are an excessive amount of liberals here that defend stuff like this and are incapble of logicl reasoning.


Which developed nation do you think we should be more like?
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Howl
06/02/18 2:42:55 PM
#78:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Howl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


Me too, there are an excessive amount of liberals here that defend stuff like this and are incapble of logicl reasoning.


Which developed nation do you think we should be more like?


The United States pre liberal hysteria.
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Cosmic_Diabetic
06/02/18 2:48:17 PM
#79:


Howl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Howl posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


Me too, there are an excessive amount of liberals here that defend stuff like this and are incapble of logicl reasoning.


Which developed nation do you think we should be more like?


The United States pre liberal hysteria.


But education in America is more accessible now than it ever has been? Drop out rates are at their lowest, the amount of people taking advanced level courses are at their highest and overall test scores have increased.
https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/about/

Why would you want to go to a time when education was worse?
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FightingFefnir
06/02/18 3:28:18 PM
#80:


What good are test scores when half the population is batshit crazy?
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Cosmic_Diabetic
06/02/18 4:13:43 PM
#81:


FightingFefnir posted...
What good are test scores when half the population is batshit crazy?


Guess we need to work on helping get that other half easier access to the education.
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 4:32:37 PM
#82:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


And you're getting at what exactly here?
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Cosmic_Diabetic
06/02/18 4:35:30 PM
#83:


mattnd2007 posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
I can see how America ranks so low in education quality among developed nations....


And you're getting at what exactly here?


According to TC I was talking about the liberals.
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mattnd2007
06/02/18 4:41:34 PM
#84:


frozenshock posted...
mattnd2007 posted...
Do we ban pens and pencils? Like where does it end? With proper knowledge and techniques you can kill with almost anything


Ban knowledge and techniques


DeVoe was right the whole time!
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PrettyBoyFloyd
06/02/18 4:50:17 PM
#85:


One could actually kill someone with a coat hanger if they know what they are doing.

Wrap and lock it in and one could strangle or break their own neck trying to get out of it.

Gotten to the point where avg people needs to learn Krav Maga or something.
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Howl
06/02/18 4:56:58 PM
#86:


PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
One could actually kill someone with a coat hanger if they know what they are doing.

Wrap and lock it in and one could strangle or break their own neck trying to get out of it.

Gotten to the point where avg people needs to learn Krav Maga or something.


Ban hangers.
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Srk700
06/02/18 5:29:50 PM
#87:


They should just cut off everyone's hands so they can't use weapons with them.

But then they would have to start taking off legs once criminals start kicking people to death.
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frozenshock
06/02/18 5:39:59 PM
#88:


Srk700 posted...
They should just cut off everyone's hands so they can't use weapons with them.

But then they would have to start taking off legs once criminals start kicking peopke to death.


Everyone should just be a brain in a jar

Problem solved
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LethalAffinity
06/02/18 5:43:21 PM
#89:


The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.
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FLUFFYGERM
06/02/18 5:44:11 PM
#90:


LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.
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Funkydog
06/02/18 5:45:47 PM
#91:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.

You say that like America is any better and you lot are doing anything about it.
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Howl
06/02/18 5:47:23 PM
#92:


Funkydog posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.

You say that like America is any better and you lot are doing anything about it.


Refusing to be puppets of the liberal elite overlords is at least something.
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LethalAffinity
06/02/18 5:56:45 PM
#93:


Funkydog posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.

You say that like America is any better and you lot are doing anything about it.


The UK isn't even resisting.
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Funkydog
06/02/18 5:57:28 PM
#94:


LethalAffinity posted...
Funkydog posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.

You say that like America is any better and you lot are doing anything about it.


The UK isn't even resisting.

Lots of people are complaining on the internet, just like in America.
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Howl
06/02/18 5:59:21 PM
#95:


Funkydog posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
Funkydog posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
LethalAffinity posted...
The UK is already in the early stages of a full blown Big Brother state.


And the citizens are fucked. There's absolutely nothing they can do since they're being completely disarmed and the surveillance state is beginning to flex its muscle.

You say that like America is any better and you lot are doing anything about it.


The UK isn't even resisting.

Lots of people are complaining on the internet, just like in America.


Yeah but their complaints are "why hasn't the government banned knives yet?"
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iPhone_7
06/02/18 6:00:04 PM
#96:


Delta_F14 posted...
58tvp5U

I have a feeling a customer took that from the actual knives section and placed it here to take a picture. For teh lulz
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Tropicalwood
06/02/18 6:03:52 PM
#97:


darkjedilink posted...
Oatcakes posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DiegoSanchez206 posted...
Howl posted...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/blunt-kitchen-knives-crime-wave-judge-nic-madge-a8372716.html

I would urge all those with any role in relation to knives manufacturers, shops, the police, local authorities, the government to consider preventing the sale of long pointed knives, except in rare, defined, circumstances, and replacing such knives with rounded ends."

But liberals told me there is no slippery slope when it comes to gun control regulations in the United States... How is this possible???

Your example is one man in an entire country?

Great topic.

There's plenty of examples. Cops can raid houses without warrants looking for "illegal" knives, and will take pretty much whatever they want. A few weeks ago, London police tweeted out a picture of the "dangerous weapons" they confiscated from a no-knock raid on an apartment building. It included a butter knife, a couple of screwdrivers, and a pair of pliers.

These are "dangerous and deadly weapons" we need to get off the streets, apparently.


Another topic where you're acting like the UK is the only western country where the police can enter your house without a warrant (or equivalent).

Weird.

Can YOU name any other country where police can raid your house without a warrant for no other reason than to steal your stuff?

Because it sure as shit isn't legal in America.

Actually, the IRS doesn't need a warrant
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Funkydog
06/02/18 6:07:48 PM
#98:


Howl posted...
Yeah but their complaints are "why hasn't the government banned knives yet?"

America has those kinds of people too.

Our countries aren't that different in this regard, and we both have people who want the government to clamp down more.
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FortuneCookie
06/02/18 6:30:44 PM
#99:


Only in America
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FLOUR
06/02/18 6:30:47 PM
#100:


People have owned sharp knives for thousands of years. So what's changed?

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unclekoolaid73
06/02/18 6:32:01 PM
#101:


This is why Trump is President.
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