Poll of the Day > Didn't someone try to ban sodas a while ago?

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I think I remember something about that. Good thing theyre done with that.
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Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver
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I think it was just a tax on them.
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Idk. I just remember hearing about it a lot at one point. Then, suddenly, everyone stopped talking about it. Personally, soda is like my favorite thing to drink. Id probably be depressed if it wasnt around anymore...
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Hmmm... I did a quick search. It seems that NY tried to ban sodas sort of by limited the sizes. Though that really did nothing. And they finally got rid of it. But I thought there was more...
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Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusiness
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Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

Ban vaccines that cause autism too?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

Fify
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Ben111 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

Fify

You have to fix more than just making it more expensive to get soda. People will still buy it. Not only that, but just getting a few people to maybe drink less soda wont do much for everyones health care. Youd have to fix a lot more. It just sounds like youre trying to make others people health your business...
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Ben111 posted...

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

This is 100% pure bullshit.
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Revelation34 posted...

Ben111 posted...

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

This is 100% pure bullshit.

how so?

Revelation34 posted...

Ben111 posted...

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

This is 100% pure bullshit.

Dont you realize that his money is more important than everyone elses freedom?
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The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are.
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Are people / parents really still ignorant of the side effects and long term effects of soda? So one questions your premise that soda advertisements are misleading the consumer to detrimental habits when the population is very widely aware of the downsides.

Personal bad habits are always blamed on others. Like you really cant stop drinking or eating unhealthy food on your own volition? Did the soda companies force it down your throat? (Cf. They force vaccines on you.) If you eat at a restaurant, just get water instead of soda.

The real enemies arent companies. Its usually yourself, your own lack of self control and discipline.
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adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?
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wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance
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Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...
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LinkPizza posted...

Personally, soda is like my favorite thing to drink. Id probably be depressed if it wasnt around anymore...

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Ben111 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

Fify

ok... then ban fast food, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, driving, etc.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

Ben111 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Ben111 posted...

Ban soda from where?
Also I support banning soda in schools and taxing soda as well
#HealthIsTheMostImportantThingEver

#OtherPeoplesHealthIsTotallyMyBusinessAsItFactuallyEffectsEveryones HealthcareCosts

Fify

ok... then ban fast food, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, driving, etc.

Ben is actually all for that, he's been guzzling the hippie juice.

I truly believe that most of the soda industry should be abolished except for artisanal brands.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I truly believe that most of the soda industry should be abolished except for artisanal brands.

You believe a lot of dumb shit tho
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SunWuKung420 posted...

*laughs at mead's ignorance of the importance of salts*
*throws life saving salt at mead*
*runs away*

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I think they were just banned in schools. At least in Michigan, public schools are still allowed to sell diet and "zero" varients of powerade and coke

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief
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I try to drink soda in moderation. I still buy at least 4 to 5 12-packs every time I buy any, but they last me for half a year because I don't drink it too often.

Similarly, I don't feel I could ever do without pizza. No way am I ever going 2 months without having at least 4 slices of some good deep dish (or new york-style) pizza.
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Mead posted...

Dont you realize that his money is more important than everyone elses freedom?

His money doesn't matter since soda doesn't cause healthcare problems like he thinks it does. Plus he still thinks vaccines cause autism anyway.

Amuseum posted...

(Cf. They force vaccines on you.)

Another one.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

caffeine

Wat.

Bacon_Pancakes posted...

I think they were just banned in schools. At least in Michigan, public schools are still allowed to sell diet and "zero" varients of powerade and coke

I'm against banning them in schools too.

Ben111 posted...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief

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Amuseum posted...

Are people / parents really still ignorant of the side effects and long term effects of soda? So one questions your premise that soda advertisements are misleading the consumer to detrimental habits when the population is very widely aware of the downsides.

Advertising's a funny thing. You can look at basically any commercial for Coke these days: it says nothing about the taste, or nutritional value, or anything else that's actually inherent to Coke, it's just a bunch of happy people doing stuff that makes the viewer feel good, which in turn causes them to associate those good feelings with Coke. Where the detrimental effects are so far removed from the act of drinking it, placing that good-feeling attitude in their heads makes them more likely to disregard the potential harm.

It's blatant emotional manipulation, and it's not exactly uncommon in ads (see any beer commercial that creates an association between drinking *brand* and having fun). Intellectually, yes, everyone knows soda's bad for you, and the soda companies know everyone knows that. That's why they've turned to manipulating subconscious emotions to soften attitudes toward their products.

wwinterj25 posted...

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

That's an example of a consequence that does immediately follow using the product. Nobody drinks a beer expecting it to not have the immediate effects that alcohol has (new drinkers and people who were told it was non-alcoholic aside). That said, the ads for beer promote beer as being associated with fun and adventure and other positive sentiments. That's at odds with approaching drinking responsibly and considering the potential for harm (both short-term and long-term). You never see a beer commercial depicting a drunk driving death (and not just because many regions explicitly prohibit alcohol advertisements from depicting driving).

Now, in the case of alcohol, the broader culture surrounding drinking contributes far more to that than advertisements do. There, advertisements are more trying to sway viewers toward one brand over another than convince people to drink in the first place. Similar principles are at play, though, so it's not an unreasonable comparison to bring up.

Revelation34 posted...

I'm against banning them in schools too.

That, I'm all for, even as somebody who frequently bought pop from the cafeteria in high school. Banning kids from drinking them? That'd be an overreach. But schools are supposed to be educational; selling pop in the cafeteria is the food science equivalent of teaching creationism in biology. Let them buy it elsewhere, don't promote it in a place where they're supposed to be learning how to lead healthy lives.
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adjl posted...

That, I'm all for, even as somebody who frequently bought pop from the cafeteria in high school. Banning kids from drinking them? That'd be an overreach. But schools are supposed to be educational; selling pop in the cafeteria is the food science equivalent of teaching creationism in biology. Let them buy it elsewhere, don't promote it in a place where they're supposed to be learning how to lead healthy lives.

Tell me how selling something is actually teaching somebody to buy it. They don't have to buy it. The soda is just there.
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Revelation34 posted...

Tell me how selling something is actually teaching somebody to buy it.

By treating it as being no less legitimate than the other things for sale. When a school sells soda alongside other beverage options, they're saying that soda is no less of a valid choice than those other options. It is in fact far less of a valid choice, ergo schools should not be spreading such misinformation.

Beyond the direct educational aspect, there's also the cultural point to consider. Not selling pop in schools means there will be less pop in schools, by the simple fact that it'd be less convenient. That means kids see fewer people drinking it and it becomes less normalized. That's a cultural shift worth cultivating.
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Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief

Well, thats just not true at all...
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LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief

Well, thats just not true at all...

Except it is the truth.
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Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...

The issue isn't so much people choosing to do unhealthy things as it is companies being able to promote their unhealthy products without acknowledging how unhealthy they are. I'm all in favour of people making informed choices (provided those choices don't hurt other people), but when the seller uses advertising strategies that downplay and/or obfuscate that in favour of promoting the product, there arises the question of just how informed people's choices are.

Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief

Well, thats just not true at all...

Except it is the truth.

There are a lot of foods, even natural, that are potentially damaging to the body in the short and long runs.

I'd be fine with the idea of banning them in schools, but soda isn't anymore dangerous than coffee if you simply drink it in moderation.
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@ifnsman posted...

Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Ben111 posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

adjl posted...
Gotta research that beer in fine detail before you can decide if you'll get drunk from it or not, ok?

Knowledge will always triumph over ignorance

Assuming theyre ignorant...

Anyone who would even consider putting the garbage known as soda into their bodies is ignorant beyond belief

Well, thats just not true at all...

Except it is the truth.

There are a lot of foods, even natural, that are potentially damaging to the body in the short and long runs.

I'd be fine with the idea of banning them in schools, but soda isn't anymore dangerous than coffee if you simply drink it in moderation.

The amount of refined gmo sugar and yucky additives is so high in soda that I dont think moderation even exists, and it certainly doesnt exist in the 20 ounce or larger bottles that are so common. Just because you eat something in a small amount and dont die doesnt mean that it isnt harmful. Especially long term. An average 12 oz can of soda(1 serving) has about 40 grams of sugar. The AMA says adult males should have no more than 36 grams of added sugar a day, 25 for women. Yeah lol at moderation
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It just happens that "moderation" in the case of soda is like a can a week max. That's still moderation.
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You're probably thinking of former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg's attempt to ban certain sizes of sugary drinks, which he was overruled on and hence why the story died.

There are school bans but it's usually at a district level so it rarely makes headlines.
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Dunno bout soda but in Cali it is more expensive to buy cigs
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adjl posted...

It just happens that "moderation" in the case of soda is like a can a week max. That's still moderation.

Still one can too many
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adjl posted...

It just happens that "moderation" in the case of soda is like a can a week max. That's still moderation.

Personally, the shortest amount of time I've ever gone without a single can of soda, since I turned 18 about 7 years ago, is 2 weeks.

Nowadays, the average amount of soda I personally drink is 3 cans every 2 months.

Ben111 posted...

The amount of refined gmo sugar and yucky additives is so high in soda that I dont think moderation even exists, and it certainly doesnt exist in the 20 ounce or larger bottles that are so common. Just because you eat something in a small amount and dont die doesnt mean that it isnt harmful. Especially long term. An average 12 oz can of soda(1 serving) has about 40 grams of sugar. The AMA says adult males should have no more than 36 grams of added sugar a day, 25 for women. Yeah lol at moderation

There's a lot that can be done to counteract it if you have time to exercise and have an increased calcium intake, though. Even then, I'm not advocating drinking more than 1 can a week.

I only can claim to know this because I'm now 25, have gone through a daily exercise routine since 14, and I have a habit since I was just 7 years-old of drinking an excessive amount of skim milk per day.

Creatine helps too, occasionally.
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adjl posted...

By treating it as being no less legitimate than the other things for sale. When a school sells soda alongside other beverage options, they're saying that soda is no less of a valid choice than those other options. It is in fact far less of a valid choice, ergo schools should not be spreading such misinformation.

Beyond the direct educational aspect, there's also the cultural point to consider. Not selling pop in schools means there will be less pop in schools, by the simple fact that it'd be less convenient. That means kids see fewer people drinking it and it becomes less normalized. That's a cultural shift worth cultivating.

I don't think you know what the word valid means.

Ben111 posted...

Except it is the truth.

Coming from somebody who thinks vaccines cause autism.

Ben111 posted...

The amount of refined gmo sugar and yucky additives is so high in soda that I dont think moderation even exists, and it certainly doesnt exist in the 20 ounce or larger bottles that are so common. Just because you eat something in a small amount and dont die doesnt mean that it isnt harmful. Especially long term. An average 12 oz can of soda(1 serving) has about 40 grams of sugar. The AMA says adult males should have no more than 36 grams of added sugar a day, 25 for women. Yeah lol at moderation

There's nothing wrong with GMO.

Ben111 posted...

Still one can too many

Lol.
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ifnsman posted...

There's a lot that can be done to counteract it if you have time to exercise and have an increased calcium intake, though. Even then, I'm not advocating drinking more than 1 can a week.

I only can claim to know this because I'm now 25, have gone through a daily exercise routine since 14, and I have a habit since I was just 7 years-old of drinking an excessive amount of skim milk per day.

Creatine helps too, occasionally.

Lol you cant simply counteract or stop the large bloodsugar spike that happens when you eat a large amount of refined sugars
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Ben111 posted...

Lol you cant simply counteract or stop the large bloodsugar spike that happens when you eat a large amount of refined sugars

Judging from my experience, yes, you can.

But you can go on believing what you wish if that comforts you.
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ifnsman posted...

Ben111 posted...

Lol you cant simply counteract or stop the large bloodsugar spike that happens when you eat a large amount of refined sugars

Judging from my experience, yes, you can.

But you can go on believing what you wish if that comforts you.

Nothing can stop the fact that highly refined sugar causes your blood sugar levels to rise. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble
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Ben111 posted...

Nothing can stop the fact that highly refined sugar causes your blood sugar levels to rise. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble

And how did you get denial of this fact from me stating you can counteract it?

You really are reading only what you want to see from others. Not carefully enough.
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ifnsman posted...

Ben111 posted...

Nothing can stop the fact that highly refined sugar causes your blood sugar levels to rise. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble

And how did you get denial of this fact from me stating you can counteract it?

You really are reading only what you want to see from others. Not carefully enough.

Because it is literally inpossible to counteract it.
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Ben111 posted...

Because it is literally inpossible to counteract it.

And yet it is possible. Otherwise blood sugar levels would never get lower for anyone ever, even if they didn't drink soda.
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ifnsman posted...

And yet it is possible. Otherwise blood sugar levels would never get lower for anyone ever, even if they didn't drink soda.

You're arguing with somebody who thinks vaccines cause autism.
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Revelation34 posted...

ifnsman posted...

And yet it is possible. Otherwise blood sugar levels would never get lower for anyone ever, even if they didn't drink soda.

You're aruging with somebody who thinks vaccines cause autism.

lolwut, really? He does?

How is it possible that someone here believes that?
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ifnsman posted...

lolwut, really? He does?

How is it possible that someone here believes that?

He just does. He thinks literally everything is bad too.
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