Current Events > damn apparently Microsoft bought Github

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422752/microsoft-github-acquisition-rumors

interesting to see what happens from here, I've been liking what ive seen MS doing recently wrt open source

but also expecting a lot of butthurt from this lol
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Ew.
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Fuck
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Ew.

HashtagTartarus posted...

Fuck

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they're crowdsourcing XBox tech support why not crowdsource development of Windows and Office
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what the fuck?
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Well whatever, there are other open source repos out there if it gets bad.
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Skype went to shit after microdick
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*deeply breathes in butt angst*
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rip
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Wonder if they'll 'acquire' some of their competitors' code. From private repositories, that is.

It'd be too obvious I guess and would potentially cause too many problems to be worth it.

I can see things only improving from here.
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bitbucket master race
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Doe posted...

Skype went to shit after microdick

Skype was always shit.
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Embrace
Extend
Extinguish

Kinda difficult considering the nature of Linux but, y'know. M$ is evil.
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luigi13579 posted...

Wonder if they'll 'acquire' some of their competitors' code. From private repositories, that is.

It'd be too obvious I guess and would potentially cause too many problems to be worth it.

Sony has shit on GitHub for PlayStation games lmao.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Doe posted...

Skype went to shit after microdick

Skype was always shit.

yeah skype has never been better than Zoom currently is
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Well, I guess that's the end of that. I wonder what the next big source control product will be?
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The modern Open Source community only exists because of Microsoft. Without some mythical "big bad corporation" to spite, nobody would work for free. Microsoft buying GitHub can only benefit the community, because it'll make them work that much harder on making Subversion better to compete.
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s0nicfan posted...

The modern Open Source community only exists because of Microsoft. Without some mythical "big bad corporation" to spite, nobody would work for free. Microsoft buying GitHub can only benefit the community, because it'll make them work that much harder on making Subversion better to compete.

Subversion is a step backwards.

If you want better version control than GitHub you can either make your own git repo or use mercurial
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I can't imagine Microsoft really thinks they'll take over Linux in general. Just the nature of it, it wouldn't work.

Can't help but find their practices interesting to watch though. Being able to run Ubuntu/openSUSE Leap/etc. in Windows 10, this - hell, they recently made their own distro called Azure Sphere. I'm not worried, it's just odd.
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They should buy pornhub.

LinksLiege posted...

I can't imagine Microsoft really thinks they'll take over Linux in general. Just the nature of it, it wouldn't work.

Can't help but find their practices interesting to watch though. Being able to run Ubuntu/openSUSE Leap/etc. in Windows 10, this - hell, they recently made their own distro called Azure Sphere. I'm not worried, it's just odd.

Quite a few tech companies use linux for development and windows for office management stuff (email, calendars, chat, etc). Microsoft cutting Linux off at the knees by letting you do Linux dev natively inside of Windows without a VM would basically kill any inroads open source has made in corporate adaptation.
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LinksLiege posted...

I can't imagine Microsoft really thinks they'll take over Linux in general. Just the nature of it, it wouldn't work.

That's not what they're trying to do. They're trying to merge third party tech with first party tech to convert Enterprise Linux customers to Microsoft. Just as they added BASH to Windows and .NET to Linux, they are going another step and trying to find ways to merge vsts with GitHub.
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s0nicfan posted...

Quite a few tech companies use linux for development and windows for office management stuff (email, calendars, chat, etc). Microsoft cutting Linux off at the knees by letting you do Linux dev natively inside of Windows without a VM would basically kill any inroads open source has made in corporate adaptation

This is already there. You can install gcc on Windows now.
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s0nicfan posted...

Quite a few tech companies use linux for development and windows for office management stuff (email, calendars, chat, etc). Microsoft cutting Linux off at the knees by letting you do Linux dev natively inside of Windows without a VM would basically kill any inroads open source has made in corporate adaptation.

Mm. I hadn't considered that angle. That's crafty.

I'm still just gonna use Linux most of the time though. Surely Microsoft moans the loss. Surely.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Quite a few tech companies use linux for development and windows for office management stuff (email, calendars, chat, etc). Microsoft cutting Linux off at the knees by letting you do Linux dev natively inside of Windows without a VM would basically kill any inroads open source has made in corporate adaptation

This is already there. You can install gcc on Windows now.

Ehh... Windows having a native compiler outside of VS isn't quite the same. It's a start, but it's not enough to drive people away from enterprise red hat.
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s0nicfan posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Quite a few tech companies use linux for development and windows for office management stuff (email, calendars, chat, etc). Microsoft cutting Linux off at the knees by letting you do Linux dev natively inside of Windows without a VM would basically kill any inroads open source has made in corporate adaptation

This is already there. You can install gcc on Windows now.

Ehh... Windows having a native compiler outside of VS isn't quite the same. It's a start, but it's not enough to drive people away from enterprise red hat.

Well there's no current way to make the vs debugger do any of the special things it does with anything other than the Microsoft compiler, so while you can plug it into visual studio and set the compile commands to make in BASH there's no real benefit to doing so versus any other ide.

The thing that's going to drive people away is .NET on Linux servers. A lot of people want to develop with .NET but don't want to have Windows servers.

That's the real hangup, not terminals or desktops.
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I never hear of people preferring Microsoft products over anything else aside from general office uses and video games, and that's just due to proprietary licensing. Microsoft probably wants more control of the open source market, but it's unlikely to happen.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I never hear of people preferring Microsoft products over anything else aside from general office uses and video games, and that's just due to proprietary licensing. Microsoft probably wants more control of the open source market, but it's unlikely to happen.

That's definitely not true.

Visual Studio is hands down the best IDE in the world. Nothing even comes close.

The compiler, however, leaves things to be desired on the C++ front. It's often late to support the newest C++ features and they have an extremely slow rollout for supporting their own shit.

Like, they promised us binary literals in .NET years ago and we still don't have it.

(yes I know there are some stupid hacks you can do to enable them but I shouldn't have to go through all that)
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I never hear of people preferring Microsoft products over anything else aside from general office uses and video games, and that's just due to proprietary licensing. Microsoft probably wants more control of the open source market, but it's unlikely to happen.

I don't think you appreciate just how important word, excel, powerpoint, and outlook are to businesses. They're not only incredibly well integrated, but nothing even comes close to any one of them in terms of quality. I'd rather quit my job than have to use OpenOffice for any meaningful amount of time.
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LinksLiege posted...

I can't imagine Microsoft really thinks they'll take over Linux in general. Just the nature of it, it wouldn't work.

Can't help but find their practices interesting to watch though. Being able to run Ubuntu/openSUSE Leap/etc. in Windows 10, this - hell, they recently made their own distro called Azure Sphere. I'm not worried, it's just odd.

And many Open Source folks will straight up abandon GitHub and make a new OpenSource repository.

The value of GitHub was lost the moment MS attempted to touch it.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

That's definitely not true.

Visual Studio is hands down the best IDE in the world. Nothing even comes close.

The compiler, however, leaves things to be desired on the C++ front. It's often late to support the newest C++ features and they have an extremely slow rollout for supporting their own shit.

Like, they promised us binary literals in .NET years ago and we still don't have it.

(yes I know there are some stupid hacks you can do to enable them but I shouldn't have to go through all that)

I agree, the VS IDE is the best IDE I've ever seen.
Their compiler team is a whole shit load of political conflicts / agendas that delays them to get shit done.

I would know, I use to work in MS.

There's a very good reason why every other version of Windows is trash.

There's a very good reason why VS IDE is good, but the features of their compilers is never quite up there with the latest and greatest.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

And many Open Source folks will straight up abandon GitHub and make a new OpenSource repository.

The value of GitHub was lost the moment MS attempted to touch it.

s0nicfan posted...

The modern Open Source community only exists because of Microsoft. Without some mythical "big bad corporation" to spite, nobody would work for free. Microsoft buying GitHub can only benefit the community, because it'll make them work that much harder on making Subversion better to compete.

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Lol. Well I haven't heard anyone actually praise visual studio until now. I've heard people complain that they have to use it.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Ew.

HashtagTartarus posted...

Fuck

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Time to move to GitLab, I guess

P4wn4g3 posted...

Lol. Well I haven't heard anyone actually praise visual studio until now. I've heard people complain that they have to use it.

Are you sure they weren't just complaining about the compiler?
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I didn't ask, but many things have been mentioned in these conversations aside from the compiler.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't ask, but many things have been mentioned in these conversations aside from the compiler.

Like what?

Do they not like intellisense? Do they not like the debugger? Do they not like nuget?
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Tyranthraxus posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I never hear of people preferring Microsoft products over anything else aside from general office uses and video games, and that's just due to proprietary licensing. Microsoft probably wants more control of the open source market, but it's unlikely to happen.

That's definitely not true.

Visual Studio is hands down the best IDE in the world. Nothing even comes close.

The compiler, however, leaves things to be desired on the C++ front. It's often late to support the newest C++ features and they have an extremely slow rollout for supporting their own shit.

Like, they promised us binary literals in .NET years ago and we still don't have it.

(yes I know there are some stupid hacks you can do to enable them but I shouldn't have to go through all that)

Convince me to switch to Visual Studio over Sublime Text
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Btw, it would be hilarious if every developer abandons Github and Github becomes the next MySpace
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Doesn't bother me, I use Bitbucket.

And it wouldn't bother me if they acquired that too, as long as they left the allowance for free private repos.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I never hear of people preferring Microsoft products over anything else aside from general office uses and video games, and that's just due to proprietary licensing. Microsoft probably wants more control of the open source market, but it's unlikely to happen.

That's definitely not true.

Visual Studio is hands down the best IDE in the world. Nothing even comes close.

The compiler, however, leaves things to be desired on the C++ front. It's often late to support the newest C++ features and they have an extremely slow rollout for supporting their own shit.

Like, they promised us binary literals in .NET years ago and we still don't have it.

(yes I know there are some stupid hacks you can do to enable them but I shouldn't have to go through all that)

Convince me to switch to Visual Studio over Sublime Text

Some people drive cars. Some people ride unicycles. No one should have to convince you what tool to use, but that doesn't mean the tool you're using is as capable.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

Convince me to switch to Visual Studio over Sublime Text

I'm not a Microsoft salesman. Go do your own research on ides
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Tyranthraxus posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't ask, but many things have been mentioned in these conversations aside from the compiler.

Like what?

Do they not like intellisense? Do they not like the debugger? Do they not like nuget?

To be fair I no longer have a horse in this race. I don't code C#, VB, or C++ at this point. The only thing that I could see myself picking up in the future is Access, but I'm not dealing with databases anytime soon.
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You can install an Ubuntu sub system inside Windows. Basically full access to Bash as far as I'm aware. It runs on the metal from inside Windows, via a command prompt. It's awesome.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Rob Cesternino posted...

Convince me to switch to Visual Studio over Sublime Text

I'm not a Microsoft salesman. Go do your own research on ides

You're doing a lousy job of selling me so far
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Unless im mistaken, Active Directory is still the best for GPO related stuff, and user management of windows devices. It can be done via linux but absolutely shit. So thats use case 1

Microsoft office is the best office suite available, and its not even close.

The overall cost of training someone to use a linux distro is probably more than just buying windows that everyone knows well enough to work. If youre a fortune 500 giant you can make perfect web apps for everything but if youre a regular business its out of the question. Even if youre a medium/large business you are often locked into software that your suppliers have made and thats often garbage for windows or a garbage web app that requires ie6, and its not like you can tell them to improve otherwise they will just say "good luck being a toyota dealership without the ability to sell toyota vehicles"

Visual studio is an amazing piece of software

Gaming is only legit on windows

Linux does have its uses, but its mainly for servers (that arent AD, which to be fair is most), developers (that dont develop for windows, which to be fair is most with web being so potent now), iot apps (windows is suitable for some iot apps as well like digital signage/media players etc)

And if you have legacy applications, likely they require windows
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Well, shit.
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