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s0nicfan 06/03/18 7:50:41 PM #51:	Doom_Art posted... @s0nicfan posted... but fuck Kathleen Kennedy why is this a thing? Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902496412] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>but fuck Kathleen Kennedy</quote> why is this a thing?</quote> Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 06/03/18 7:50:48 PM #52:	s0nicfan posted... dave_is_slick posted... Smallville posted... solo's bo? I don't get it i really liked this movie but see it's not doing that well I promise you it's because most people either didn't like, or outright hated TLJ. I've actually heard Solo isn't that bad, but fuck Kathleen Kennedy. I'm not giving Disney another dollar as long as she's still employed. what do you have against kennedy? and imo this movie was better than tlj, easily. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:902496420] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>solo's bo? I don't get it i really liked this movie but see it's not doing that well</quote> I promise you it's because most people either didn't like, or outright hated TLJ.</quote> I've actually heard Solo isn't that bad, but fuck Kathleen Kennedy. I'm not giving Disney another dollar as long as she's still employed.</quote> what do you have against kennedy? and imo this movie was better than tlj, easily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 7:52:05 PM #53:	s0nicfan posted... Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing? I've noticed a weird uptick in Kathleen Kennedy stuff over the last several days I'm just wondering if there was a particular catalyst for it --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902496482] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing?</quote> I've noticed a weird uptick in Kathleen Kennedy stuff over the last several days I'm just wondering if there was a particular catalyst for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/03/18 7:54:43 PM #54:	Doom_Art posted... s0nicfan posted... Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing? I've noticed a weird uptick in Kathleen Kennedy stuff over the last several days I'm just wondering if there was a particular catalyst for it With Solo's box office grossly underperforming (Disney had to adjust their predicted earnings), along with the clear downwards trend in profit among the new movies, there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things. Since she's the current president of lucasfilms, the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet. EDIT: And to be clear, those rumors have spawned a pile of articles, which is probably why you're seeing a general uptick. For example https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/968916/Star-Wars-Solo-FLOP-fan-BOYCOTT-Will-Disney-FIRE-Kathleen-Kennedy-Last-Jedi-box-office --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902496625] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are you actually asking why this is a thing, or are you simply stating in the form of a question that you disagree with the premise that it's a thing?</quote> I've noticed a weird uptick in Kathleen Kennedy stuff over the last several days I'm just wondering if there was a particular catalyst for it</quote> With Solo's box office grossly underperforming (Disney had to adjust their predicted earnings), along with the clear downwards trend in profit among the new movies, there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things. Since she's the current president of lucasfilms, the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet. EDIT: And to be clear, those rumors have spawned a pile of articles, which is probably why you're seeing a general uptick. For example https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/968916/Star-Wars-Solo-FLOP-fan-BOYCOTT-Will-Disney-FIRE-Kathleen-Kennedy-Last-Jedi-box-office</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 06/03/18 7:56:08 PM #55:	lucasfilms? i thought that was disbanded after the sale to disney though. So kennedy had a lot of say so in the old lucas films, sw. --- "I've always wanted there to be nothing between us. Now there's not"----smallville <cite>Smallville posted [p:902496697] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>lucasfilms? i thought that was disbanded after the sale to disney though. So kennedy had a lot of say so in the old lucas films, sw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/03/18 7:57:44 PM #56:	Smallville posted... lucasfilms? i thought that was disbanded after the sale to disney though. So kennedy had a lot of say so in the old lucas films, sw. She was made co-chair somewhere after the end of the prequel trilogies, and when Lucas sold it to Disney she was then made president. She's had full creative control over the Star Wars movies starting about 3 years prior to TFA coming out. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902496775] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smallville posted...</cite> <quote>lucasfilms? i thought that was disbanded after the sale to disney though. So kennedy had a lot of say so in the old lucas films, sw.</quote> She was made co-chair somewhere after the end of the prequel trilogies, and when Lucas sold it to Disney she was then made president. She's had full creative control over the Star Wars movies starting about 3 years prior to TFA coming out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 06/03/18 7:57:45 PM #57:	Doom_Art posted... Darmik posted... I wonder if they intend for an upcoming Star Wars Story movie to explain Snoke. That whole period in general is wide open. Only the novel Bloodline really gives any insight into it as far as I know. Bloodline had some stuff on the First Order in general but nothing on Snoke really. In Aftermath there's some allusions to something/someone that might be Snoke but we dunno for sure. Though I imagine Snoke's origins or whatever will be covered or explained more clearly in the Resistance tv show that's coming out whenever Well at this point why even bother --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:902496778] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> I wonder if they intend for an upcoming Star Wars Story movie to explain Snoke. That whole period in general is wide open. Only the novel Bloodline really gives any insight into it as far as I know. </quote> Bloodline had some stuff on the First Order in general but nothing on Snoke really. In Aftermath there's some allusions to something/someone that might be Snoke but we dunno for sure. Though I imagine Snoke's origins or whatever will be covered or explained more clearly in the Resistance tv show that's coming out whenever</quote> Well at this point why even bother</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 7:57:47 PM #58:	s0nicfan posted... there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things. From whom? s0nicfan posted... the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet. TFA made like $2.5 billion Rogue One made a billion TLJ made $1.5 billion Solo under-performed tho def I fail to see a "failure of the franchise" Not liking TLJ doesn't mean the franchise is failing --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902496781] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things.</quote> From whom? <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet.</quote> TFA made like $2.5 billion Rogue One made a billion TLJ made $1.5 billion Solo under-performed tho def I fail to see a "failure of the franchise" Not liking TLJ doesn't mean the franchise is failing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/03/18 7:59:28 PM #59:	s0nicfan posted... along with the clear downwards trend in profit among the new movies The Last Jedi made more than Rogue One though. I'm sure Episode 9 will make way more than Solo too. I think there's a weird group of people who think everything they hate about modern Star Wars is because of a woman. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:902496855] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>along with the clear downwards trend in profit among the new movies</quote> The Last Jedi made more than Rogue One though. I'm sure Episode 9 will make way more than Solo too. I think there's a weird group of people who think everything they hate about modern Star Wars is because of a woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SBAndross 06/03/18 7:59:33 PM #60:	DarthAragorn posted... Well at this point why even bother Killing a character, and THEN providing backstory seems to be the trend these days --- https://imgur.com/BKtsb <cite>SBAndross posted [p:902496859] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Well at this point why even bother</quote> Killing a character, and THEN providing backstory seems to be the trend these days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/03/18 8:01:50 PM #61:	Doom_Art posted... s0nicfan posted... there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things. From whom? s0nicfan posted... the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet. TFA made like $2.5 billion Rogue One made a billion TLJ made $1.5 billion Solo under-performed tho def I fail to see a "failure of the franchise" Not liking TLJ doesn't mean the franchise is failing TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5. That's a CLEAR downward trend in their mainstay franchise Rogue One made a billion, and Solo is looking for far underperform that. That's a CLEAR downward trend in their spin off franchises. I'm not saying they didn't make money, but you're conflating "turning a profit" with "meeting expectations" and those are two very different things. Companies like Disney use the profits from big tentpole movies to fund other efforts. It's baked into their yearly budget. A movie like TLJ doing a billion less than the last one means that there were likely many projects outright canned because their funding was reliant on profit expectations baked in from past performance. EDIT: Darmik posted... I think there's a weird group of people who think everything they hate about modern Star Wars is because of a woman. This attitude was super productive at rebooting Ghostbusters. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902496951] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>there are rumors that Kennedy may get kicked to bring in someone else to run things.</quote> From whom? <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>the general failure of the franchise is being laid at her feet.</quote> TFA made like $2.5 billion Rogue One made a billion TLJ made $1.5 billion Solo under-performed tho def I fail to see a "failure of the franchise" Not liking TLJ doesn't mean the franchise is failing</quote> TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5. That's a CLEAR downward trend in their mainstay franchise Rogue One made a billion, and Solo is looking for far underperform that. That's a CLEAR downward trend in their spin off franchises. I'm not saying they didn't make money, but you're conflating "turning a profit" with "meeting expectations" and those are two very different things. Companies like Disney use the profits from big tentpole movies to fund other efforts. It's baked into their yearly budget. A movie like TLJ doing a billion less than the last one means that there were likely many projects outright canned because their funding was reliant on profit expectations baked in from past performance. EDIT: <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I think there's a weird group of people who think everything they hate about modern Star Wars is because of a woman.</quote> This attitude was super productive at rebooting Ghostbusters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 8:01:55 PM #62:	In addition, Kennedy herself is one of the most successful living film producers I sincerely doubt she's getting canned any time soon. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902496959] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>In addition, Kennedy herself is one of the most successful living film producers I sincerely doubt she's getting canned any time soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 06/03/18 8:03:03 PM #63:	A 40% drop from one main movie entry to the next is pretty significant though --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:902497012] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>A 40% drop from one main movie entry to the next is pretty significant though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 8:03:08 PM #64:	s0nicfan posted... TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5. TFA was a cultural event when it came out. You're never going to top that. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902497017] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5.</quote> TFA was a cultural event when it came out. You're never going to top that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/03/18 8:04:00 PM #65:	Doom_Art posted... s0nicfan posted... TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5. TFA was a cultural event when it came out. You're never going to top that. A billion dollars. Come on, man. Are you even trying here? The numbers are completely undeniable. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902497060] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>TFA made 2.5, TLJ made 1.5.</quote> TFA was a cultural event when it came out. You're never going to top that.</quote> A billion dollars. Come on, man. Are you even trying here? The numbers are completely undeniable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/03/18 8:06:11 PM #66:	I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:902497173] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/03/18 8:09:34 PM #67:	Darmik posted... I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-last-jedi-loses-sales-momentum-raising-concern-for-disney-1517245312 The Last Jedi will soon end its run with around $625 million in the U.S. and Canada, about $200 million short of several Wall Street analysts expectations. While few thought it would match the $937 million domestic and $2.07 billion world-wide gross of 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, the franchises return to the big screen after a decade away, analysts forecast the new film would come closer. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:902497335] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky.</quote> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-last-jedi-loses-sales-momentum-raising-concern-for-disney-1517245312 <quote>The Last Jedi will soon end its run with around $625 million in the U.S. and Canada, about $200 million short of several Wall Street analysts expectations. While few thought it would match the $937 million domestic and $2.07 billion world-wide gross of 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, the franchises return to the big screen after a decade away, analysts forecast the new film would come closer.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 8:10:11 PM #68:	Darmik posted... The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events Hopefully the trilogies with the Game of Thrones guys and Rian Johnson go elsewhere. I think when the spin-offs start exploring the unknowns people will be a lot mor einterested --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902497357] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. </quote> Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events Hopefully the trilogies with the Game of Thrones guys and Rian Johnson go elsewhere. I think when the spin-offs start exploring the unknowns people will be a lot mor einterested</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/03/18 8:11:19 PM #69:	also analysts=/=disney Very very seldom does a movie even in a tentpole franchise break $2,000,000,000 --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:902497409] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>also analysts=/=disney Very very seldom does a movie even in a tentpole franchise break $2,000,000,000</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SBAndross 06/03/18 8:12:45 PM #70:	Doom_Art posted... Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events Exactly my thoughts. Solo was good and all but ultimately felt like filler and added nothing to the overall franchise --- https://imgur.com/BKtsb <cite>SBAndross posted [p:902497490] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events</quote> Exactly my thoughts. Solo was good and all but ultimately felt like filler and added nothing to the overall franchise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 06/03/18 8:16:03 PM #71:	Why would anyone question how a popular character somehow survived falling into a bottomless pit. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:902497649] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote>Why would anyone question how a popular character somehow survived falling into a bottomless pit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/03/18 8:16:13 PM #72:	s0nicfan posted... Darmik posted... I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-last-jedi-loses-sales-momentum-raising-concern-for-disney-1517245312 The Last Jedi will soon end its run with around $625 million in the U.S. and Canada, about $200 million short of several Wall Street analysts expectations. While few thought it would match the $937 million domestic and $2.07 billion world-wide gross of 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, the franchises return to the big screen after a decade away, analysts forecast the new film would come closer. That says a few Wall Street Analysts. Not Disney. We don't really know what they're talking about behind the scenes. If Disney find the formula that gets a billion each movie I don't really think they care that it's down from TFA. They've just found out the hard way that the spin-off movies don't guarantee it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:902497657] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I don't remember Disney saying that TLJ didn't meet their expectations. I'm pretty sure the second movie in each Star Wars trilogy always trends down and ticks back up for the third. The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky.</quote> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-last-jedi-loses-sales-momentum-raising-concern-for-disney-1517245312 <quote>The Last Jedi will soon end its run with around $625 million in the U.S. and Canada, about $200 million short of several Wall Street analysts expectations. While few thought it would match the $937 million domestic and $2.07 billion world-wide gross of 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, the franchises return to the big screen after a decade away, analysts forecast the new film would come closer.</quote></quote> That says a few Wall Street Analysts. Not Disney. We don't really know what they're talking about behind the scenes. If Disney find the formula that gets a billion each movie I don't really think they care that it's down from TFA. They've just found out the hard way that the spin-off movies don't guarantee it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 06/03/18 8:25:53 PM #74:	Doom_Art posted... Darmik posted... The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events Hopefully the trilogies with the Game of Thrones guys and Rian Johnson go elsewhere. I think when the spin-offs start exploring the unknowns people will be a lot mor einterested Oh god the fucking Game of Thrones guys? LOL pass --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:902498171] in Can someon... [t:76671685]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> The spin-off stories are in jeopardy for sure. But that was always going to be a bit more risky. </quote> Tbh I think it's because they're playing it too safe. Look at all the spin-off films currently Rogue One Solo Kenobi They're all set between Episodes 3-4 and deal with established characters/events Hopefully the trilogies with the Game of Thrones guys and Rian Johnson go elsewhere. I think when the spin-offs start exploring the unknowns people will be a lot mor einterested</quote> Oh god the fucking Game of Thrones guys? LOL pass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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