Poll of the Day > Steam gives up trying to think for you.....

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adjl posted...

until the novelty of "take that SJW's you can't censor me" wears off.

This won't last long. Now that everything is okay to be released, there won't be those huge controversies about censorship causing repercussion anymore, thus these games won't be able to count on that free advertising and the bad ones will sink fast.

VixYW posted...

adjl posted...

until the novelty of "take that SJW's you can't censor me" wears off.

This won't last long. Now that everything is okay to be released, there won't be those huge controversies about censorship causing repercussion anymore, thus these games won't be able to count on that free advertising and the bad ones will sink fast.

Oh, the controversy will continue. Do you think anyone had heard of Active Shooter until the media glomped onto it and clutched every pearl they could find? Of course not. That game's obviously utter garbage even without considering the subject matter; it would have otherwise faded immediately into the sea of barely-playable asset flips.

That sort of media reaction isn't going to go away, though. People will always be horrified by a game that glorifies school shootings coming out amid a rash of very real school shootings, because that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be horrified by. People will always be horrified by any number of other game subjects that are specifically designed to be horrifying, and the "developers" of those "games" will continue to get off on "triggering SJW's," each time emboldened by Valve's decision that censoring them would be wrong (ignoring, of course, that the actual decision was that censoring them would entail doing actual work to continue making money hand over fist).
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adjl posted...

VixYW posted...

adjl posted...

until the novelty of "take that SJW's you can't censor me" wears off.

This won't last long. Now that everything is okay to be released, there won't be those huge controversies about censorship causing repercussion anymore, thus these games won't be able to count on that free advertising and the bad ones will sink fast.

Oh, the controversy will continue. Do you think anyone had heard of Active Shooter until the media glomped onto it and clutched every pearl they could find? Of course not. That game's obviously utter garbage even without considering the subject matter; it would have otherwise faded immediately into the sea of barely-playable asset flips.

That sort of media reaction isn't going to go away, though. People will always be horrified by a game that glorifies school shootings coming out amid a rash of very real school shootings, because that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be horrified by. People will always be horrified by any number of other game subjects that are specifically designed to be horrifying, and the "developers" of those "games" will continue to get off on "triggering SJW's," each time emboldened by Valve's decision that censoring them would be wrong (ignoring, of course, that the actual decision was that censoring them would entail doing actual work to continue making money hand over fist).

That's our stalemate then. Imho, as long as Valvo don't go back on their word here, the complaints of the SJW will fall on deaf ears. From that point it's just a matter of time until this kind of shit stops being a hot topic and people simply aren't going to be interested in it anymore (because the discussion dies at the complaints and nothing happens after, which is boring for the general public so gaming news about them won't be made anymore). Of course, this is just an optimistic oppinion, things could go to hell at any point if I'm wrong, but I'm hopeful this time. If it works, maybe Sony and others could follow the example and we won't have that stupid censoring upon localization shit ever again in console games too.

VixYW posted...

the complaints of the SJW will fall on deaf ears.

See, here's the very important point I think you're missing: It's not the SJW complaints you have to worry about. SJW complaints come first, because they spent more time on the Internet and therefore notice it first, but they also tend not to extend beyond telling other Internet people that what they're doing is wrong. Once it goes past that and leaks out of the Internet and into the real world, it's the pearl-clutchers you've got to worry about, and the pearl-clutchers have a currently-elected government that's demonstrated on many occasions that it's willing to pass laws that appeal to their version of morality. We've already seen Trump himself suggest that violent video games might be to blame for the epidemic of mass shootings. Do you really want them having more ammunition?
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So I cant sell that Trump punching bag game?

Maybe GOG will take it...
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adjl posted...

VixYW posted...

the complaints of the SJW will fall on deaf ears.

See, here's the very important point I think you're missing: It's not the SJW complaints you have to worry about. SJW complaints come first, because they spent more time on the Internet and therefore notice it first, but they also tend not to extend beyond telling other Internet people that what they're doing is wrong. Once it goes past that and leaks out of the Internet and into the real world, it's the pearl-clutchers you've got to worry about, and the pearl-clutchers have a currently-elected government that's demonstrated on many occasions that it's willing to pass laws that appeal to their version of morality. We've already seen Trump himself suggest that violent video games might be to blame for the epidemic of mass shootings. Do you really want them having more ammunition?

No, I want their ammo to be useless. Tho you do have a point... still, Everything comes down to if Valve will back down on that or not, because if they don't, even those people will notice it's pointless to make a fuss over it and will give their attention to something else... I think... hopefully...

If it's on their virtual shelf, they are supporting and endorsing it, period.

But hey, who doesn't love asset flips and games that don't run, amirite?
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VixYW posted...

Everything comes down to if Valve will back down on that or not,

If laws start getting involved to regulate the content that Valve's refusing to regulate, they won't have a choice to back down or not. The ESRB was created to allow the industry to regulate itself and keep lawmakers from interfering, but Valve's chosen to eschew that sort of self-regulation. One way or another, Steam will be regulated. It'd just be a lot better for everyone if Valve would do it themselves.
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Steam has always been a dumping ground but it's still easy to find what you're looking for.

I've never had a problem with that.

I disagree with Steam being heavily censored and filtered to only allow certain content.

That said, this whole thing started with Steam suddenly and out of nowhere trying to remove anime games and VNs, does this mean they're okay with uncensored VN games now? They say content is okay unless it's "illegal' or "obvious trolling".
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

Steam has always been a dumping ground but it's still easy to find what you're looking for.

I've never had a problem with that.

It's easy to find what you're looking for, because it has a search bar, but it's not easy to find something new. It's the difference between shopping and buying: the latter's easy on Steam, the former's virtually impossible. The thing is, developers need people to shop, not just buy.

DarkKirby2500 posted...

I disagree with Steam being heavily censored and filtered to only allow certain content.

There's considerable middle ground between "heavily censored" and "having absolutely no quality control at all." Other digital storefronts manage that balance pretty well. Steam could easily manage it as well, perhaps leaning a bit more to the permissiveness side (since it is good for the indie industry in particular to have a distribution platform that's easier to get onto), but they've instead opted to completely eschew any sort of actual effort on that front. The result is a cesspool.
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adjl posted...

There's considerable middle ground between "heavily censored" and "having absolutely no quality control at all." Other digital storefronts manage that balance pretty well. Steam could easily manage it as well, perhaps leaning a bit more to the permissiveness side (since it is good for the indie industry in particular to have a distribution platform that's easier to get onto), but they've instead opted to completely eschew any sort of actual effort on that front. The result is a cesspool.

From my experience it's usually either mainstream games only (like Game Stop, PS4 digital store, etc.) or niche games only, and they're usually not allowed to occupy the same space.

Not a lot of places will sell you both Call of Duty and Nekopara at the same store, which is what Steam was seemingly trying to do before, purge the niche games.
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Fascism wins again.
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Zareth posted...

Fascism wins again.

Since when is consumer choice = fascism?
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