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SageHarpuia
06/09/18 7:16:21 PM
#101:


Why is it assumed that any victory from a trans person is because of their biology? Maybe she would have won anyway.
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1NfamousACE_2
06/09/18 7:17:21 PM
#102:


I wont be happy til a transgender joins the WNBA, thats progress
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Howl
06/09/18 7:18:18 PM
#103:


NeonOctopus posted...
If I transition into a female, can I go in the women's locker room and stare at titties no prob? >_>


Yes, in fact feminists will encourage such behavior and applaud you for being so brave.
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nemu
06/09/18 7:18:26 PM
#104:


Transpeople should not be allowed to participate in gender-segregated competition sports. I fully support transpeople living as they want, but this trend of the social justice-type people encroaching on reality is quite annoying. I will address any transperson I meet as they want to be addressed, but that does not change biological reality.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/09/18 7:19:04 PM
#105:


Its based on science, males are better/faster runners and its been proven time and time again.

Testosterone is one of the key factors, and as a male these two had a big advantage over the actual women there.

Against other males these two would not even place but against women they won.
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SageHarpuia
06/09/18 7:19:36 PM
#106:


NeonOctopus posted...
If I transition into a female, can I go in the women's locker room and stare at titties no prob? >_>

No, just like if you went into the men's locker room you'd get clobbered for staring at dudes' weiners.
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NeonOctopus
06/09/18 7:20:47 PM
#107:


Howl posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
If I transition into a female, can I go in the women's locker room and stare at titties no prob? >_>


Yes, in fact feminists will encourage such behavior and applaud you for being so brave.

I'll literally get the Triforce of Courage for all the boob staring I'm going to do then!
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/09/18 7:21:55 PM
#108:


@NeonOctopus

You would been encouraged to embrace your new found gender.
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NeonOctopus
06/09/18 7:23:07 PM
#109:


RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
@NeonOctopus

You would been encouraged to embrace your new found gender.

If I have boobs on my chest, I'm super down to embrace it >_>
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Corrik
06/09/18 7:29:04 PM
#110:


Went from girls getting equal opportunity to partake in sports to boys taking over girls sports also.
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creativerealms
06/09/18 7:31:16 PM
#111:


Howl posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
If I transition into a female, can I go in the women's locker room and stare at titties no prob? >_>


Yes, in fact feminists will encourage such behavior and applaud you for being so brave.

That's not how it works. Thats how ASJWs think it works.
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pikachupwnage
06/09/18 7:43:11 PM
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Chicken_Butt
06/09/18 7:45:58 PM
#113:


pikachupwnage posted...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/sports/olympics/22women.html

Hopefully that shuts down this nonsense.
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Nomadic View
06/09/18 7:48:43 PM
#114:


The 2,769th fastest male time (10.09 seconds) is still faster than the number 1 fastest female time (10.49 seconds) in the 100 meter dash.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htm
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FlyingForever
06/09/18 7:53:48 PM
#115:


NeonOctopus posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
@NeonOctopus

You would been encouraged to embrace your new found gender.

If I have boobs on my chest, I'm super down to embrace it >_>


Half the people on this board are fat so
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Key
06/09/18 7:57:45 PM
#116:


tennisdude818 posted...
Anybody who thinks this is fair has never played a sport seriously at a high level.

no one on CE has played a sport at a high level
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ViewtifulGrave
06/09/18 7:58:35 PM
#117:


Would people be upset if prime Shaq played for the WNBA?
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FlyingForever
06/09/18 7:59:04 PM
#118:


Chicken_Butt posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/sports/olympics/22women.html

Hopefully that shuts down this nonsense.

Oh did they have men competing against women in the Olympics?
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Howl
06/09/18 7:59:56 PM
#119:


Nomadic View posted...
The 2,769th fastest male time (10.09 seconds) is still faster than the number 1 fastest female time (10.49 seconds) in the 100 meter dash.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htm


Lol "Women can do everything men can do."
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/09/18 8:00:56 PM
#120:


Thanks for posting that article showing the facts and about how testosterone makes males have an advantage for running.
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NinjaWarrior455
06/09/18 8:06:42 PM
#121:


Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.
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Howl
06/09/18 8:08:41 PM
#122:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.
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Chicken_Butt
06/09/18 8:10:17 PM
#123:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Men compete with men, women with women, and transmen with transmen and transwomen with transwomen. Or is there a problem with that too?
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DreamwaIker
06/09/18 8:10:36 PM
#124:


Each person should have their own branch of a sport so that complete fairness in body type and upbringing can be attained. Anyone who enters can thus get a gold trophy.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
06/09/18 8:12:41 PM
#125:


tennisdude818 posted...
Anybody who thinks this is fair has never played a sport seriously at a high level.

You're on CE. Is this surprising?
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:13:07 PM
#126:


Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"
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-Bungle-
06/09/18 8:22:48 PM
#127:


SageHarpuia posted...
People ITT need to stop treating trans women like shit. It's hard enough as it is to convince some people that they are just as female as girls born in the right body, so when you're questioning their right to play sports with other girls you just need to put yourself in their shoes. Why can't these girls enjoy a win every now and then without being shunned for it? This is why suicide rates are so high in the transgender community ffs

Un-fucking-real. You think that's why their suicide rate is so high!? Let me tell you dude; even if this world treated Trans people perfectly and were respected by every human, they would still have very high suicide rates. You know exactly why.
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C7D
06/09/18 8:23:17 PM
#128:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


50 > 1. Also, this is the very antithesis of Title IX. If feminists were not also liberals, we would have heard all about this by now.
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Howl
06/09/18 8:23:35 PM
#129:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:27:42 PM
#130:


Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "


I guess the Gavin Grimm decision totally doesn't matter?

Or are you going to say "wait until it hits the supreme court" knowing that's year(s) off?
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Howl
06/09/18 8:34:26 PM
#131:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "


I guess the Gavin Grimm decision totally doesn't matter?

Or are you going to say "wait until it hits the supreme court" knowing that's year(s) off?


Explain the logic behind this sentence...

"But Judge Wright Allen disagreed, writing that Mr. Grimms transgender status constituted a claim of sex discrimination and that the bathroom policy had subjected him to sex stereotyping, violations of the law."

How can it possibly be sex discrimination when the entire basis of gender identity is that gender and sex are separate entities?

How can that possibly hold up to any form of scrutiny from a logical rational individual?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/us/gavin-grimm-transgender-bathrooms.amp.html
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C7D
06/09/18 8:36:35 PM
#132:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "


I guess the Gavin Grimm decision totally doesn't matter?

Or are you going to say "wait until it hits the supreme court" knowing that's year(s) off?


Given the current makeup of the court, I want it to go to the Supreme Court tomorrow. You wont like the outcome.
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REMercsChamp
06/09/18 8:37:15 PM
#133:


They followed the rules and earned the top spots. Congratulations to them and hopefully they don't let the jealousy and other noise bother them.
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:37:50 PM
#134:


Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life

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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:38:57 PM
#135:


C7D posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "


I guess the Gavin Grimm decision totally doesn't matter?

Or are you going to say "wait until it hits the supreme court" knowing that's year(s) off?


Given the current makeup of the court, I want it to go to the Supreme Court tomorrow. You wont like the outcome.


We already know you have a murderous fixation with trans people, you're trying too hard
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Howl
06/09/18 8:39:10 PM
#136:


C7D posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Hard to come up with a solution that will satisfy everyone, and banning transgenders from gendered sports altogether is not a solution.


Yes it is. People should not have to change the entire way they do everything for less than 1% of the population.


Title IX says "hello there"


Title IX does not apply to transgender students anymore. President Obama issued guidelines that added protections for them, then last year President Trump rescinded them.

https://education.findlaw.com/discrimination-harassment-at-school/title-ix-protections-for-transgender-students.html

"The U.S. Department of Education under the Obama administration issued guidelinesclarifying that Title IX's prohibition against sex-based discrimination extends to claims of discrimination based on gender identity. But in early 2017, those guidelines were recinded by the Trump administration. "


I guess the Gavin Grimm decision totally doesn't matter?

Or are you going to say "wait until it hits the supreme court" knowing that's year(s) off?


Given the current makeup of the court, I want it to go to the Supreme Court tomorrow. You wont like the outcome.


I found a blatant logical fallacy in his ruling and I'm not even a lawyer. There's absolutely no way a higher judge would agree with his ruling.
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DiegoSanchez206
06/09/18 8:40:57 PM
#137:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
So two boys won in a girl?s competition, I feel bad for all the real girls who practiced and trained for this. I also wonder if feminists will have anything to say about two males winning instead of actual girls.

This robbed two girls of victory and I doubt some of the parents are happy about this bullshit.


"Waaaaaaahhhh I'm triggered D:"

Yes you do appear to be triggered. He made a logical response to this and you appear to be a mad liberal.
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Howl
06/09/18 8:41:39 PM
#138:


gunplagirl posted...
Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life


Wtf does that 2nd part mean? You mean his biological sex is that of the opposite sex that he was born as?

Also gender stereotypes are social constructs and based on gender, not sex.
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OmegaShinkai
06/09/18 8:48:11 PM
#139:


Obviously the solution is to sanction doping for biological females to level the playing field, because anything else might encroach on someone's safe space
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:49:44 PM
#140:


Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life


Wtf does that 2nd part mean? You mean his biological sex is that of the opposite sex that he was born as?


Yes, he's a man and his sex is male. Chromosomes arent the end all be all. Gonadal dysgenesis births have been recorded, the most reported on one took place in 2015, I believe.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/09/18 8:51:19 PM
#141:


@DiegoSanchez206

It could just be he hates girls/women and is happy a male beat the girls in a female competition.

Anyone who supports womens competative sports would not be happy these girls got cheated out of victory by two males.
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Lathissamus
06/09/18 8:51:42 PM
#142:


This SJW nonsense needs to stop because to say that this is fair is to ignore all factually biological advantages these two individuals have over their competitors. Do not confuse this with me saying anything against trans people.
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Howl
06/09/18 8:52:20 PM
#143:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life


Wtf does that 2nd part mean? You mean his biological sex is that of the opposite sex that he was born as?


Yes, he's a man and his sex is male. Chromosomes arent the end all be all. Gonadal dysgenesis births have been recorded, the most reported on one took place in 2015, I believe.


This is the most ridiculously stupid argument I've ever seen made here. "His" objective sex is female. What you are arguing is scientifically false. You're literally just making shit up because the judge made an obviously irrational assertion and you're attempting extremely poorly to defend it.
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Grischnak
06/09/18 8:52:38 PM
#144:


SageHarpuia posted...
People ITT need to stop treating trans women like shit. It's hard enough as it is to convince some people that they are just as female as girls born in the right body, so when you're questioning their right to play sports with other girls you just need to put yourself in their shoes. Why can't these girls enjoy a win every now and then without being shunned for it? This is why suicide rates are so high in the transgender community ffs


The thing is, if I do put myself in their shoes I still think this is bad. Why? Because if I were them I wouldn't want to play as a girl because if I did I'd be cheating and I'm not a cheater. If stuff like this is positive then we might as well applaud people like Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong and Jon Jones for their cheating as well. Little difference.
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:55:39 PM
#145:


Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life


Wtf does that 2nd part mean? You mean his biological sex is that of the opposite sex that he was born as?


Yes, he's a man and his sex is male. Chromosomes arent the end all be all. Gonadal dysgenesis births have been recorded, the most reported on one took place in 2015, I believe.


This is the most ridiculously stupid argument I've ever seen made here. "His" objective sex is female. What you are arguing is scientifically false. You're literally just making shit up because the judge made an obviously irrational assertion and you're attempting extremely poorly to defend it.


When presented with verified cases that prove there's need for a nuanced approach to sex, you say it's stupid.

Have you karyotyped and phenotyped Gavin? Can you even prove that he has XX chromosomes? Assume HIPAA doesn't exist, of course.
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gunplagirl
06/09/18 8:56:32 PM
#146:


Grischnak posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
People ITT need to stop treating trans women like shit. It's hard enough as it is to convince some people that they are just as female as girls born in the right body, so when you're questioning their right to play sports with other girls you just need to put yourself in their shoes. Why can't these girls enjoy a win every now and then without being shunned for it? This is why suicide rates are so high in the transgender community ffs


The thing is, if I do put myself in their shoes I still think this is bad. Why? Because if I were them I wouldn't want to play as a girl because if I did I'd be cheating and I'm not a cheater. If stuff like this is positive then we might as well applaud people like Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong and Jon Jones for their cheating as well. Little difference.


Being trans is the same as willingly seeking out illegal and banned substances for the sole sake of enhancing sports performances?

Hot diggity.
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Sleekstyler
06/09/18 8:59:04 PM
#147:


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Girls breaking records in girls races. Fair, next.


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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/09/18 9:01:06 PM
#148:


Transwomen having more testosterone because they are biologically male is what gives them an unfair advantage.

Lance, Barry, and Jon cheated by taking steroids, by having more testosterone because they are male is cheating when they are competing in a all female event when they are male. Just cause these transwomen identify as female does not mean they should be able to compete with real girls/women due to the biological advantage they have.

Against other males these two are weak as fuck but against women they do have an advantage.

@gunplagirl
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Teenman
06/09/18 9:01:23 PM
#149:


SageHarpuia posted...
People ITT need to stop treating trans women like shit. It's hard enough as it is to convince some people that they are just as female as girls born in the right body, so when you're questioning their right to play sports with other girls you just need to put yourself in their shoes. Why can't these girls enjoy a win every now and then without being shunned for it? This is why suicide rates are so high in the transgender community ffs


They will never be just as female. They can call themselves female, represent themselves as female and feel like a female but they can never be a truly biological female. Its a sad fact of life but we cant always be what we want.

I have no problem with people being transgender but lets not pretend its the same thing as being a true male/female.
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Howl
06/09/18 9:02:55 PM
#150:


gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Howl posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Two ways to answer that

One, because being discriminated against for being trans is steeped in upholding stereotypes solely on the basis of sex

Or two, because sex and gender ARE the same thing and Gavin is a male, man, etc regardless of his genitalis configuration at any point in his life


Wtf does that 2nd part mean? You mean his biological sex is that of the opposite sex that he was born as?


Yes, he's a man and his sex is male. Chromosomes arent the end all be all. Gonadal dysgenesis births have been recorded, the most reported on one took place in 2015, I believe.


This is the most ridiculously stupid argument I've ever seen made here. "His" objective sex is female. What you are arguing is scientifically false. You're literally just making shit up because the judge made an obviously irrational assertion and you're attempting extremely poorly to defend it.


When presented with verified cases that prove there's need for a nuanced approach to sex, you say it's stupid.

Have you karyotyped and phenotyped Gavin? Can you even prove that he has XX chromosomes? Assume HIPAA doesn't exist, of course.


You are literally the only person I've ever seen make an argument favoring transgenders that has said sex and gender are the same thing. The existence of gender dysphoria alone disproves your argument entirely and is literally defined as identifying as a gender different than ones biological sex.
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