Current Events > Can my boss sue the dispatchers from 911?

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They found a dead body at my work. 911 told my boss he needed to perform CPR because it was "protocol".

My boss refused because the person was dead. And the body was stiffed and started to smell. 911 insisted because its "protocol"

My boss started doing CPR then he threw up and now he hasnt been able to sleep.
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Lol

...That isn't protocol at all.
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lmfao
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lol
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contact the media
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No
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lol wut???

this has to be fake
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Serious answer is no. He made the choice to do CPR.

So what's the details?
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Why was there a dead body at your work? What the fuck do you guys do there?
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I work in a hotel. One of the house keepers complained that one of the rooms has ben been locked for three days and the customer hasnt requested service.

They called maintenance and they couldn't open the door. Finally after a couple of hours they managed to open it. Thats where the body of the young lady was found, and a bottle of pills.
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Was she hot?

glitteringfairy posted...

Serious answer is no. He made the choice to do CPR.

So what's the details?

i mean could it not be argued that if a person in power or deemed to be in power demands you do something its not the person's fault? i feel like telling a citizen to practice incorrect protocol as an emergency response person is the fault of the them, not the citizen.
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uh yeah I would call a lawyer. that's fucked up, is he even CPR certified?
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thronedfire2 posted...

uh yeah I would call a lawyer. that's fucked up, is he even CPR certified?

When he started performing cpr, you could hear her bones crack and fluid coming out of her mouth. The stench was horrible. He threw up. He hasnt been able to sleep. He has eye bags and looks like a different person. He doesn't smile anymore. He doesn't talk to anybody. He is NOT ok.

I insist 911 should be to blame
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I mean bone cracking happens a lot during CPR, so he did great!
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Orochi_ posted...

I work in a hotel. One of the house keepers complained that one of the rooms has ben been locked for three days and the customer hasnt requested service.

They called maintenance and they couldn't open the door. Finally after a couple of hours they managed to open it. Thats where the body of the young lady was found, and a bottle of pills.

ok, now this feels like bullshit.
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thronedfire2 posted...

uh yeah I would call a lawyer. that's fucked up, is he even CPR certified?

You don't need to be CPR certified to perform CPR lol. 9-1-1 operators are trained to give instructions to people on it.

I can understand if the setting has been that someone has been in a room for days without activity and a body already has visible signs of decay that there is no need.

But the other situation is when people with no expertise assume someone is dead when they aren't. The 9-1-1 operator doesn't know this person's level of intelligence or the full details of the situation and can't make assumptions.
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MrK3V posted...

I mean bone cracking happens a lot during CPR, so he did great!

cartilage*
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I know you don't have to be certified, but I'm pretty sure they can't force someone who isn't certified to do it. especially on a body that already smells
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

MrK3V posted...

I mean bone cracking happens a lot during CPR, so he did great!

cartilage*

idk man, ribs can definitely crack during cpr
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MrK3V posted...

idk man, ribs can definitely crack during cpr

Yes, they can. The sound is more likely to be cartilage though.
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

MrK3V posted...

idk man, ribs can definitely crack during cpr

Yes, they can. The sound is more likely to be cartilage though.

I can agree with that.
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what the fuck that is so fucked up...if it is obviously a corpse for a while the ambulance people or cops or who ever arent doing fucking cpr either
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thronedfire2 posted...

I know you don't have to be certified, but I'm pretty sure they can't force someone who isn't certified to do it. especially on a body that already smells

Not saying he was forced to either. I'm saying if 9-1-1 operators gave up at the slightest resistance to someone performing CPR, no one would do it.

Had the boss continually refused, he wouldn't have been liable or anything. Doesn't stop the 9-1-1 operator from having him try though. And we don't know how the information was relayed to 9-1-1. If he just reported a dead body with minimal context, again, they can't just take his word on faith and assume he is factually correct about that assumption.

It makes sense it was the 9-1-1 operator's protocol to tell him to do CPR. Key word: the operator's protocol to tell him to do CPR. Not that there is actual authority behind it.
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andel posted...

what the fuck that is so fucked up...if it is obviously a corpse for a while the ambulance people or cops or who ever arent doing fucking cpr either

Again, while I agree there is some "reasonability" sentiment here, the scenario in which someone presumes someone who is unconscious and soiled themselves to be dead is very feasible and the 9-1-1 operator isn't actually there. They are going off incomplete information until EMS actually arrives and says, "yes, obviously dead, we're not doing CPR."

The whole idea is the lay person isn't qualified with this situation. That's why they're calling 9-1-1.
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Did you know that when archeologists discover ancient egyptian mummies deep within the pyramids, they are required by law to perform CPR on it until a doctor certifies that the mummy is dead?
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frozenshock posted...

Did you know that when archeologists discover ancient egyptian mummies deep within the pyramids, they are required by law to perform CPR on it until a doctor certifies that the mummy is dead?

lol
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You have to make sure the patient is dead.

*Gun shot heard in background*

BlameAnesthesia posted...

andel posted...

what the fuck that is so fucked up...if it is obviously a corpse for a while the ambulance people or cops or who ever arent doing fucking cpr either

Again, while I agree there is some "reasonability" sentiment here, the scenario in which someone presumes someone who is unconscious and soiled themselves to be dead is very feasible and the 9-1-1 operator isn't actually there. They are going off incomplete information until EMS actually arrives and says, "yes, obviously dead, we're not doing CPR."

The whole idea is the lay person isn't qualified with this situation. That's why they're calling 9-1-1.

the average person can tell the difference between an obviously rotting and decomposing corpse and an unconscious person...come on man
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If you're not breaking a rib during CPR, you're not doing it right.
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andel posted...

the average person can tell the difference between an obviously rotting and decomposing corpse and an unconscious person...come on man

Hooooooboy. You clearly have not spent a lot of time in an emergency department. Large subset of the population in which I am actually surprised they put their pants on in the morning correctly.

And I already said there is a point in which there is an obviously rotting and decomposing corpse that most would accurately recognize as dead. But there is a non-zero number of people who might mistake an unconscious person for being dead. Especially if they soiled themselves.

If you can't understand why 9-1-1 might be wary of being liable for taking everyone's word at face value if they have no medical training. 3 days is not enough time to be so absolutely decomposed for it to be without question. Given no one knew this person, we don't know if they died at the beginning of 3 days, or a day or two in. Or they could have stumbled in not long after an overdose. Several hours maybe.

This is what I'm saying. People don't know what they don't know. 9-1-1 can't make assumptions.
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I know that cops still have to formally arrest dead perps as well.

Just follow the protocol

The body was hard as rock, the smell of rotten flesh in the whole room was also a giveaway. The person was dead. I dont know why 911 insisted on giving CPR. My boss told them that.
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lmfao wtf
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Orochi_ posted...

The body was hard as rock

Plenty of conditions that can present with muscle rigidity. Not a specific sign of clinical death, unless one knows exactly how to differentiate rigor mortis with the aforementioned conditions.

Orochi_ posted...

the smell of rotten flesh in the whole room was also a giveaway.

The things I've smelled in the hospital from gangrenous wounds to patients who soiled themselves, to morbidly obese individuals with the rankest smelling tissue under their fat flaps. Again, not a specific sign of clinical death.

Look, I'm not doubting YOUR situation. I do believe you when you say they were dead in your boss's case. I'm saying in other potential cases that are a bit more ambiguous, someone could tell 911 a similar story and the person in fact is not quite dead yet.

They can't risk the assumption, no matter how ridiculous it sounds. I'm sure a more experienced 911 operator might have been more comfortable with it. Or otherwise attribute it to the crazy litigation culture we live in, because all it takes is one 911 operator to take someone's word that someone is "obviously dead" when they aren't and they get sued.

I'm not saying it isn't ridiculous. I'm saying I understand why the situation might play out that way.
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Orochi_ posted...

The body was hard as rock, the smell of rotten flesh in the whole room was also a giveaway. The person was dead. I dont know why 911 insisted on giving CPR. My boss told them that.

rigor mortis set in. that 911 dispatcher should of just sent someone to deal with the problem.
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lmfao
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This topic made me legit lol
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imagine falling for this

That's a P good crank
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You don't have to do anything a dispatcher tells you to do. There was a case a while back where an attendant at an independent living facility called 911 because an old guy collapsed and the dispatcher said to perform CPR and she refused and refused to hand the phone to someone else.
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Lmao
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Orochi_ posted...

I dont know why 911 insisted on giving CPR.

Do you have BlameAnesthesia on ignore or something?? He's made several posts explaining why the operator asked your boss to do CPR.
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Oh man this happened to me once at work as well this guy was clearly dead, stiff as a board, smelled like death. It was bad. You wanted to vomit as soon as you walked in the room. My boss was like, hey, this man is dead, he needs CPR. I said no. Then i leaned in close to the dead mans ear and whispered, you cant die now, Microsoft just released the worlds smallest most powerful console. He took a deep breath in after that and sucked all his shit back in and then we played a few rounds of CoD and cracked a cold one with the boys
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lol what a story mark