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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 1:37:36 PM
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Mostly cause South Korea has old and bad copyright laws, and the lawyers there are super biased and since PUBG is made by a Korean company....

This is gonna set some bad precedents in Asia.
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DarthAragorn
06/19/18 1:38:15 PM
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whitelytning
06/19/18 1:43:53 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Mostly cause South Korea has old and bad copyright laws, and the lawyers there are super biased and since PUBG is made by a Korean company....

This is gonna set some bad precedents in Asia.


Can you explain what you mean by bad copyright laws and why the outcome would be different somewhere else because I'm not following.
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_Krave_
06/19/18 1:47:12 PM
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I'm fine with that considering PUBG is the good one.
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Doom_Art
06/19/18 1:47:16 PM
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I've never played either game and haven't kept up on the case but wasn't Fortnite in development since like 2011 or something? On what basis could PUBG argue anything like this
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MC_BatCommander
06/19/18 1:48:07 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I've never played either game and haven't kept up on the case but wasn't Fortnite in development since like 2011 or something? On what basis could PUBG argue anything like this


The lawsuit is over Fortnite's battle royale mode which they added to the game after PUBG's massive success.
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Doom_Art
06/19/18 1:49:14 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
The lawsuit is over Fortnite's battle royale mode which they added to the game after PUBG's massive success.

Ahhh I thought it was battle royale from the start. My mistake
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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 1:49:42 PM
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whitelytning posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Mostly cause South Korea has old and bad copyright laws, and the lawyers there are super biased and since PUBG is made by a Korean company....

This is gonna set some bad precedents in Asia.


Can you explain what you mean by bad copyright laws and why the outcome would be different somewhere else because I'm not following.


You can watch Matpat explain it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6gpaj_L04" data-time="


or read this:

South Korea have been super slow in creating basic copyright laws, pretty much 150 years later than the US, so the way they go about copyright is very different to other places. They, like the US, believe expressions are copyrightable but ideas aren't, which is good news for Fortnite, but they also believe an author's moral rights allows them to claim paternity rights in order to preserve the integrity of their product - this is bad news, if you couldn't tell.

Through this court, it could be deemed that although PUBG didn't create the Battle Royale genre they did act as the father to the 100-player system, with loot drops, a pre-game play lobby, and falling out of the sky, to name a few, all being in the same game, which means Epic Games could have based their game off it.

If this is seen as credible, then PUBG can express their paternal rights over Fortnite, as it's an unauthorised alteration of their format. The ideologies in South Korea rely heavily on the family system, with the paternal figure seen as something important in their heritage and laws, so the court might be swayed against Epic Games from the get-go.
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MC_BatCommander
06/19/18 1:50:44 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
The lawsuit is over Fortnite's battle royale mode which they added to the game after PUBG's massive success.

Ahhh I thought it was battle royale from the start. My mistake


lol that's not surprising. No one gave a shit about Fortnite until they added the BR mode. It was a genius move by Epic because that game would have probably been a complete flop.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 1:53:19 PM
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Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.
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Doom_Art
06/19/18 1:54:32 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

But like

Regardless how is that fair to sue over? It'd be like Rockstar suing the makers of Saints Row.
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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 1:55:32 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
how would a Korean court be able to force Epic to pay up?


By blocking Fornite in Korea, which is a major playerbase.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 1:55:41 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

But like

Regardless how is that fair to sue over? It'd be like Rockstar suing the makers of Saints Row.

They have a case in Korea which is why they're suing in Korea and not USA.

As Americans have been so fond of saying lately...

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BlueBoy675
06/19/18 1:55:45 PM
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Does PUBG have the monopoly on the battle royale genre or something?
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 1:56:25 PM
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BlueBoy675 posted...
Does PUBG have the monopoly on the battle royale genre or something?

No.
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MC_BatCommander
06/19/18 1:57:46 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

But like

Regardless how is that fair to sue over? It'd be like Rockstar suing the makers of Saints Row.


IIRC, Epic had involvement in PUBG's development and once they saw how successful it was they basically copied and pasted it onto their existing game.

Personally I don't think it's anything to sue over but it is kind of a shitty thing to do.
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ThePieReborn
06/19/18 1:57:53 PM
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Honestly, if I were PUBG and reliant on that UE4 license, I'd be a little more careful treading around the licensor.

That's of course disregarding the actual copyright claim.
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Axiom
06/19/18 1:58:30 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
how would a Korean court be able to force Epic to pay up?


By blocking Fornite in Korea, which is a major playerbase.

Korean gamers gonna revolt. They take their games seriously enough to die for
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halomonkey1_3_5
06/19/18 1:58:53 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Honestly, if I were PUBG and reliant on that UE4 license, I'd be a little more careful treading around the licensor.

That's of course disregarding the actual copyright claim.

Finding a reason to revoke the UE4 license for this would make Epic look worse than PUBG Corp
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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 1:59:39 PM
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Axiom posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
how would a Korean court be able to force Epic to pay up?


By blocking Fornite in Korea, which is a major playerbase.

Korean gamers gonna revolt. They take their games seriously enough to die for


They probably wont. Korea is huge on family, and they will support Korea over America. But we wont know for sure until it happens.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 2:00:29 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Honestly, if I were PUBG and reliant on that UE4 license, I'd be a little more careful treading around the licensor.

That's of course disregarding the actual copyright claim.

You can't just cancel a license contract like that. Like I don't get to tell my bank that my loan with them is void because they're suing me for some unrelated tort.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 2:02:37 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Axiom posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
how would a Korean court be able to force Epic to pay up?


By blocking Fornite in Korea, which is a major playerbase.

Korean gamers gonna revolt. They take their games seriously enough to die for


They probably wont. Korea is huge on family, and they will support Korea over America. But we wont know for sure until it happens.


Wouldn't they try to sue the government for their money back if they've paid for the game?

Sue the government because they broke the law?
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Frostshock
06/19/18 2:04:08 PM
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They both copied DayZ which was a free mod, so this entire claim is ridiculous.
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Howl
06/19/18 2:04:31 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

But like

Regardless how is that fair to sue over? It'd be like Rockstar suing the makers of Saints Row.


Or Nintendo suing Sony for PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale because it's a blatantly ripoff of Smash.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 2:06:10 PM
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Howl posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

But like

Regardless how is that fair to sue over? It'd be like Rockstar suing the makers of Saints Row.


Or Nintendo suing Sony for PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale because it's a blatantly ripoff of Smash.


That didn't happen because that is like a gladiator beating up a wheelchair bound dude with cerebral palsy.
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gmanthebest
06/19/18 2:17:53 PM
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Fuck trying to make our shitty game better, we'll just sue the better competition.
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SpinKirby
06/19/18 2:20:10 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
Fuck trying to make our shitty game better, we'll just sue the better competition.

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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 2:28:40 PM
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SpinKirby posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Fuck trying to make our shitty game better, we'll just sue the better competition.


I mean it is easier I guess to sue someone than to fix problems they don't know how to fix.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 2:41:20 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
SpinKirby posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Fuck trying to make our shitty game better, we'll just sue the better competition.


I mean it is easier I guess to sue someone than to fix problems they don't know how to fix.

Works out pretty well for Oracle.
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gmanthebest
06/19/18 2:42:28 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
SpinKirby posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Fuck trying to make our shitty game better, we'll just sue the better competition.


I mean it is easier I guess to sue someone than to fix problems they don't know how to fix.

True.
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P4wn4g3
06/19/18 2:53:04 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Through this court, it could be deemed that although PUBG didn't create the Battle Royale genre they did act as the father to the 100-player system, with loot drops, a pre-game play lobby, and falling out of the sky, to name a few, all being in the same game, which means Epic Games could have based their game off it.

None of these seem particularly new though.
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deupd_u
06/19/18 3:41:12 PM
#36:


LightHawKnight posted...
Mostly cause South Korea has old and bad copyright laws, and the lawyers there are super biased and since PUBG is made by a Korean company....

This is gonna set some bad precedents in Asia.

I see you watched that episode of GT
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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 3:59:36 PM
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deupd_u posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Mostly cause South Korea has old and bad copyright laws, and the lawyers there are super biased and since PUBG is made by a Korean company....

This is gonna set some bad precedents in Asia.

I see you watched that episode of GT


And read an article which says the same thing. I assume they ripped it off of GT.
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Tropicalwood
06/19/18 4:29:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 4:30:06 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 4:31:24 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.


How do you invent a fad?

You do something and then everyone starts copying you.
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Tropicalwood
06/19/18 4:32:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.

I don't see Koushun Takami suing Player Unknown for capitalizing off his novel, or Id suing literally everyone for making a FPS.
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Tyranthraxus
06/19/18 4:34:41 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.


How do you invent a fad?

You do something and then everyone starts copying you.


But wouldn't that mean that PUBG didn't 'invent the fad' because PUBG wasn't the first to do that something. It's happenstance or controlled PR (which isn't proprietary) when something goes viral/becomes a fad.

If you do something original and nobody gives a shit then you invented the thing but not the fad.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.
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Axiom
06/19/18 4:35:41 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.


How do you invent a fad?

You do something and then everyone starts copying you.


But wouldn't that mean that PUBG didn't 'invent the fad' because PUBG wasn't the first to do that something. It's happenstance or controlled PR (which isn't proprietary) when something goes viral/becomes a fad.

I would enjoy reading the court transcript of the PUBG guys arguing that they invented the fad
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Hexenherz
06/19/18 4:36:27 PM
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_Krave_ posted...
I'm fine with that considering PUBG is the good one.

Yeah but PUBG is a rip-off of other games so how is that fair?
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Tropicalwood
06/19/18 4:38:02 PM
#48:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Anyone trying to say that Fortnite Battle Royale isn't a shameless rip off of PUBG is just delusional. Whether or not it's "better" is irrelevant.

PUBG didn't exactly invent the concept of a Battle Royale either.

No but it invented the fad which is the important part.


How do you invent a fad?

You do something and then everyone starts copying you.


But wouldn't that mean that PUBG didn't 'invent the fad' because PUBG wasn't the first to do that something. It's happenstance or controlled PR (which isn't proprietary) when something goes viral/becomes a fad.

If you do something original and nobody gives a shit then you invented the thing but not the fad.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

You've basically described every game ever made.
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LightHawKnight
06/19/18 4:38:22 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
_Krave_ posted...
I'm fine with that considering PUBG is the good one.

Yeah but PUBG is a rip-off of other games so how is that fair?


Is it even the good one to begin with? With all the issues it is currently having, at least Fortnite seems to be running well.
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P4wn4g3
06/19/18 4:39:32 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Id suing literally everyone for making a FPS.

They sued Valve and lost. Valve essentially ripped off the Quake engine though.
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