Poll of the Day > Apparently sex dolls can now refuse sex

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Revelation34 posted...

Zeus posted...

Dummy mode" sounds like it just turns off the AI and presumably the electronic functions with it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76753934/904041430

So basically it doesn't matter.

It would presumably matter a lot if you didn't have the electronics.

Moonjay posted...

I guess it works for really really sad people who want to fall in love with their robot and pretend it's real?

Presumably for an unusually specific demographic of men named Lars, tbh.

Moonjay posted...

It would be sick to put real AI in a sex toy.

In all honesty, it's probably not much different than making AI do anything else. We're assigning it that evaluation based on certain human taboos but really it's like anything else to a machine, doubly so since none of these AI systems have self-awareness (and, generally speaking, AI self-awareness probably wouldn't end well for humans regardless).
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On one hand, I get the purpose behind this. Treat women with respect. On the other hand, "boredom" is a strange thing to program into a sex doll. I'm not sure what that has to do with treating women with respect?
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Moonjay posted...

The only motivation for this that even makes any sense to me is filling the rape fetish/unconscious sex fetish slot. But it doesn't really even fit that.

They will just make specific ones for that eventually. I'm not even joking.
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Zeus posted...

Moonjay posted...

I guess it works for really really sad people who want to fall in love with their robot and pretend it's real?

Presumably for an unusually specific demographic of men named Lars, tbh.

Not really because that thing has chainsaws attached to her arms and can use her head as a bomb. A refusal wouldn't end well taking those in account.

Realistically, if they sold sentient sex dolls, they would have it pre-programmed to love it's owner, otherwise why would anyone buy one in the first place.

A non sentient sex doll that refuses sex via RNG would just be a bad product that also wouldn't sell.

Also, if "sex dolls" were sentient, people would be using them for a lot more then sex anyway. People would just be buying custom made companions.
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Golden Road posted...

On one hand, I get the purpose behind this. Treat women with respect. On the other hand, "boredom" is a strange thing to program into a sex doll. I'm not sure what that has to do with treating women with respect?

except these aren't women. they're sex toys. nobody should care what lonely guys do to them.
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Nade Duck posted...

Golden Road posted...

On one hand, I get the purpose behind this. Treat women with respect. On the other hand, "boredom" is a strange thing to program into a sex doll. I'm not sure what that has to do with treating women with respect?

except these aren't women. they're sex toys. nobody should care what lonely guys do to them.

This kind of attitude is why sex dolls won't date you while I'm happily engaged to my onahole.
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Zeus posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Zeus posted...

Dummy mode" sounds like it just turns off the AI and presumably the electronic functions with it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76753934/904041430

So basically it doesn't matter.

It would presumably matter a lot if you didn't have the electronics.

Moonjay posted...

I guess it works for really really sad people who want to fall in love with their robot and pretend it's real?

Presumably for an unusually specific demographic of men named Lars, tbh.

Moonjay posted...

It would be sick to put real AI in a sex toy.

In all honesty, it's probably not much different than making AI do anything else. We're assigning it that evaluation based on certain human taboos but really it's like anything else to a machine, doubly so since none of these AI systems have self-awareness (and, generally speaking, AI self-awareness probably wouldn't end well for humans regardless).

Not sure if you were just agreeing with me or didn't get my point. The point was that these are not real AI and there is no reason to care about them being sex dolls, but if we ever do have real self aware AI, it would be sick to make them be sex dolls.
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Moonjay posted...

Not sure if you were just agreeing with me or didn't get my point. The point was that these are not real AI and there is no reason to care about them being sex dolls, but if we ever do have real self aware AI, it would be sick to make them be sex dolls.

How? They still wouldn't be human.
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Moonjay posted...

but if we ever do have real self aware AI, it would be sick to make them be sex dolls.

To be fair, if we did somehow manage to create self-aware AI, there's no specific reason why they would see sex as being any more of a violation than any of the other tasks we'd essentially be enslaving them to do. Fully self-aware AI ticks off a shitton of morality and ethics boxes.


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Revelation34 posted...

Moonjay posted...

Not sure if you were just agreeing with me or didn't get my point. The point was that these are not real AI and there is no reason to care about them being sex dolls, but if we ever do have real self aware AI, it would be sick to make them be sex dolls.

How? They still wouldn't be human.

What, you don't respect the rights of people who aren't human? Would it be okay to do whatever we wanted to aliens or angels or anything else not human that could hypothetically appear? Being human is nothing special.
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Moonjay posted...

What, you don't respect the rights of people who aren't human? Would it be okay to do whatever we wanted to aliens or angels or anything else not human that could hypothetically appear? Being human is nothing special.

Aliens would be "human" too. AI would just be robots.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Moonjay posted...

but if we ever do have real self aware AI, it would be sick to make them be sex dolls.

To be fair, if we did somehow manage to create self-aware AI, there's no specific reason why they would see sex as being any more of a violation than any of the other tasks we'd essentially be enslaving them to do. Fully self-aware AI ticks off a shitton of morality and ethics boxes.

If they were fully self aware I'd expect them to expect the same treatment as humans. If we ever reach the point of fully aware AI we had better not force them to do anything they don't want to do. :P
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Revelation34 posted...

Moonjay posted...

What, you don't respect the rights of people who aren't human? Would it be okay to do whatever we wanted to aliens or angels or anything else not human that could hypothetically appear? Being human is nothing special.

Aliens would be "human" too. AI would just be robots.

No aliens wouldn't be human. Human is a species, not the default term for anything intelligent. And intelligent beings are intelligent beings, it doesn't matter what they're made of.

It actually bothers me a lot that we don't have a good simple term for something that is self aware and intelligent but not human. Like even the word person means human but you can totally have a personality without being human. Eh, we're so self centered.
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Moonjay posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Moonjay posted...

What, you don't respect the rights of people who aren't human? Would it be okay to do whatever we wanted to aliens or angels or anything else not human that could hypothetically appear? Being human is nothing special.

Aliens would be "human" too. AI would just be robots.

No aliens wouldn't be human. Human is a species, not the default term for anything intelligent. And intelligent beings are intelligent beings, it doesn't matter what they're made of.

It actually bothers me a lot that we don't have a good simple term for something that is self aware and intelligent but not human. Like even the word person means human but you can totally have a personality without being human. Eh, we're so self centered.

I feel like person/people would be good enough as a general term, inLotR they use free peoples as a term for men, elves, dwarves and hobbits, and last time I checked only the race of man is human
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I think I'd be pretty satisfied if they just edited the definition of people and person to remove all reference to being human. Heh.
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When we meet "people" who aren't human, that'll probably happen.


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Moonjay posted...

It actually bothers me a lot that we don't have a good simple term for something that is self aware and intelligent but not human. Like even the word person means human but you can totally have a personality without being human. Eh, we're so self centered.

Why does it bother you? A word for such a thing isn't that important when the thing doesn't exist, as far as we know. Sure, non-human characters exist like that, but they're fictional. There isn't a strong need for such a word when we're the only non-extinct real-life human-like species we know of.
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Golden Road posted...

Moonjay posted...

It actually bothers me a lot that we don't have a good simple term for something that is self aware and intelligent but not human. Like even the word person means human but you can totally have a personality without being human. Eh, we're so self centered.

Why does it bother you? A word for such a thing isn't that important when the thing doesn't exist, as far as we know. Sure, non-human characters exist like that, but they're fictional. There isn't a strong need for such a word when we're the only non-extinct real-life human-like species we know of.

It's important to me because the possibility of other forms of life that are self aware as we are is extremely high. It would be embarrassing not to even have a term for it because we're so self centered.

Like true AI, which WILL happen if it's scientifically possible. If we don't require some spiritual ingredient we don't know how to make. It is otherwise inevitable and why shouldn't we plan ahead?

And as far as I'm concerned, we've already met some of them. We whine about whether we're alone in the universe when we already know that sea mammals, octopus, most birds, several land mammals, etc are extremely intelligent. We just assume that because they don't live and communicate exactly like us that they're lesser.
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No, they can't. They can say things you programmed them to say. That's it. They are just objects.
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Nade Duck posted...

what the fuck is the point then

Please the dumb feminists.
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Lokarin posted...

Can you imagine if your car could refuse driving?

Self driving cars will be doing that soon.

CFW will start to exist to get them back on their best behavior, both the sexbots and eventually self driving cars as well.
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Moonjay posted...

That makes absolutely no sense from a women's rights point of view because it won't help real women and will just make things more weird for men who need to buy sex dolls.

It has more to do with appeasing groups who disagree with these toys on a philosophical basis rather than a practical basis. That's why the approach seems so incongruous, what they're trying to solve with this measure isn't the stated problem. What they want is women's groups who actually want these toys banned for promoting "rape" off their backs.

If they were fully self aware I'd expect them to expect the same treatment as humans.

That's a curious assumption. Why would something that knows it's not a human want to be treated like a human? Dignity is important to humans because it actually matters to our survival. There's no reason to assume a robot even cares about survival without some sort of built in survival instinct, which itself could be extraordinarily dangerous to implement.

Moonjay posted...

I think I'd be pretty satisfied if they just edited the definition of people and person to remove all reference to being human. Heh.

I extend my concept of personhood to some of the cleverer apes, birds, sea creatures and not all humans.
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It's an optional mode, why are people mad?

You've all been fooled.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Nade Duck posted...

Golden Road posted...

On one hand, I get the purpose behind this. Treat women with respect. On the other hand, "boredom" is a strange thing to program into a sex doll. I'm not sure what that has to do with treating women with respect?

except these aren't women. they're sex toys. nobody should care what lonely guys do to them.

This kind of attitude is why sex dolls won't date you while I'm happily engaged to my onahole.

you are my favorite.
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Moonjay posted...

No aliens wouldn't be human. Human is a species, not the default term for anything intelligent. And intelligent beings are intelligent beings, it doesn't matter what they're made of.

It actually bothers me a lot that we don't have a good simple term for something that is self aware and intelligent but not human. Like even the word person means human but you can totally have a personality without being human. Eh, we're so self centered.

That's why I used scare quotes. A robot is still a robot though.

Muscles posted...

I feel like person/people would be good enough as a general term, inLotR they use free peoples as a term for men, elves, dwarves and hobbits, and last time I checked only the race of man is human

That wouldn't work due to all the abortion debates.

Moonjay posted...

It's important to me because the possibility of other forms of life that are self aware as we are is extremely high.

Well then it doesn't matter since a robot wouldn't have life.

Yellow posted...

It's an optional mode,

Citation needed.
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http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/famous-sex-robot-can-now-refuse-sex-if-shes-not-in-the-mood
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Yellow posted...

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/famous-sex-robot-can-now-refuse-sex-if-shes-not-in-the-mood

It says she has an "extra naughty" level. It does not say it disables her ability to enter dummy mode.
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Software engineers are never this stupid. That's where I call bullshit.

In addition to her sex mode, she also has modes for family and romantic as well as settings for an extra naughty level.

Settings.

And if that's vague, let's go to the official website.

http://syntheaamatus.com/about/customisation/

AI
Samantha currently has a sexual genome but we can create others, for example moral, sense of beauty, justice and more. Get in touch with us today to find out more.

Voice
NEW! If you wish so, Samantha can now have a human voice! Check out Voice Book, our voice library and choose the voice you like.

Name
You can call her any name you like, just let us know and she will answer to it.

Some of these services may carry additional costs. Get in touch with us to enquire.

It's heavily implied this is an optional feature.

And if that's not good enough for you, I'm currently e-mailing their customer service and asking myself.

Everything people are raging about is clever "YouTube intellectual" manipulation. Clever and intentional.
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Yellow posted...

Software engineers are never this stupid. That's where I call bullshit.

Software engineers can be incredibly stupid. There are countless stories of times an engineer came up with a feature or solution they thought was brilliant and self-evident, but the general public was like, "Why in the holy fuck did you do that?" Living your life with a high-tech, code-heavy worldview can obscure what the mind of the layman is like and actually wants.

Arguably, that was what hurt the Xbox One pre-release - the engineers packed in features and ideas that they thought were great, but which the general public didn't see the point of, and which the marketing department didn't do an effective job of selling. The disconnect was enough to dramatically hurt sales.

When you're talking about people making a sex doll with a "personality", your main risk is that they're going to project their own biases and fetishes onto what they consider appealing, without even realizing that other people might not agree with their assumptions. Sex appeal is definitely one of those things which tend to be very subjective but also something people tend to lack external perspective about.


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Yellow posted...

Software engineers are never this stupid. That's where I call bullshit.

My 20+ years of dealing with software engineers means I only discuss things in terms of clearly described (and preferably demonstrated) functionality. That word "settings" you used, doesn't mean anything without describing what, exactly, is being set.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Arguably, that was what hurt the Xbox One pre-release - the engineers packed in features and ideas that they thought were great

Software engineers didn't think forcing connect to check who's watching films was great.
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I disagree, even if SEs miss the entire picture sometimes, they're rarely dumb enough to literally flip off logic altogether like the dumbest of the droolers do. If they were capable of that, I don't think they wouldn't be able to do what they do. If someone's making a shit decision, it's usually the CEO ranting about abstract nonsense ideas "I want the phone to be Windows, but we have to create a whole new ecosystem designed for mobile.", translation being "No x86 .exe on mobile, and create a completely separate app store on Windows with nothing on it except Minecraft".

Regardless, I'm asking mom.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Software engineers didn't think forcing connect to check who's watching films was great.

On the other hand, they also didn't realize that anyone would have a problem with always-on online connectivity, or that a lot of people would prefer physical media over digital download.

The project goals weren't necessarily their call, but how they were achieved was.


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Wow... Guess nobody will be buying that model unless that mode is optional.

Look; I get it. You don't want guys picking up bad habits from using these dolls; but the whole POINT is to have sex with the dolls! It's like trying to order a burger and the waitress giving you kale because 'you're not vegan enough'. It's not going to make me want to eat healthier or approve of a vegan lifestyle or anything. It's going to make me want to not eat at your place again. If my sexdoll isn't letting me have sex then what the hell did I just spend all that money on? To get nagged and NOT have sex?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

On the other hand, they also didn't realize that anyone would have a problem with always-on online connectivity, or that a lot of people would prefer physical media over digital download.

Not "on the other hand".

They knew people like having space to store their stuff and know that forcing people on to something for no benefit is not for them. This is a management issue, not software engineers.
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Does any body go to the sex shop and ask the clerk "Hey, this flesh-light is nice and all, but does it come with the option of not working if I don't spend 10-15 minutes turning it on first?"

No?

Then yea, this probably isn't going to be that popular.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They knew people like having space to store their stuff and know that forcing people on to something for no benefit is not for them. This is a management issue, not software engineers.

There were multiple stories at the time that the engineers themselves were surprised by the backlash and didn't understand why it was a problem, so very much no.


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Yellow posted...

Software engineers are never this stupid. That's where I call bullshit.

In addition to her sex mode, she also has modes for family and romantic as well as settings for an extra naughty level.

Settings.

And if that's vague, let's go to the official website.

http://syntheaamatus.com/about/customisation/

AI
Samantha currently has a sexual genome but we can create others, for example moral, sense of beauty, justice and more. Get in touch with us today to find out more.

Voice
NEW! If you wish so, Samantha can now have a human voice! Check out Voice Book, our voice library and choose the voice you like.

Name
You can call her any name you like, just let us know and she will answer to it.

Some of these services may carry additional costs. Get in touch with us to enquire.

It's heavily implied this is an optional feature.

And if that's not good enough for you, I'm currently e-mailing their customer service and asking myself.

Everything people are raging about is clever "YouTube intellectual" manipulation. Clever and intentional.

I don't see anything being "heavily implied".
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Customer support

Dear Jamie,

That is actually not correct.

The doll will synchronize patience, sexual libido and sexual memory with the user.

if the user only has sex with the doll, for example, penetration only and 1-2 minutes per session. The memory of the doll will reduce and only sexual sounds will come from the doll.

There is no point that the doll has a conversation and tries to seduce the person if there is only penetration and it only lasts 2 minutes.

the personality of teh doll comes in a card, you can change the card easily. That card has the personality and also can basically mean you can add anything you like.

It has a raspberry inside. If you know how to program you can do anything. You can even use the doll to pair alexa, the phone, listen to music or have sex by pairing the speaker of the doll to your phone
and the other person is on the other phone. These are very simple things that can be done and that in our opinion increases the use of the doll.

you can see some videos of the last doll we sent this week. This is a versiojn 3. We currently sell for 4000 euro or 4700 USA dollars.

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This is how you lose customers to competitors.
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Yellow posted...

Customer support

Dear Jamie,

That is actually not correct.

The doll will synchronize patience, sexual libido and sexual memory with the user.

if the user only has sex with the doll, for example, penetration only and 1-2 minutes per session. The memory of the doll will reduce and only sexual sounds will come from the doll.

There is no point that the doll has a conversation and tries to seduce the person if there is only penetration and it only lasts 2 minutes.

the personality of teh doll comes in a card, you can change the card easily. That card has the personality and also can basically mean you can add anything you like.

It has a raspberry inside. If you know how to program you can do anything. You can even use the doll to pair alexa, the phone, listen to music or have sex by pairing the speaker of the doll to your phone
and the other person is on the other phone. These are very simple things that can be done and that in our opinion increases the use of the doll.

you can see some videos of the last doll we sent this week. This is a versiojn 3. We currently sell for 4000 euro or 4700 USA dollars.

Well, that's explains everything. Misinformation sure is a scary thing.

Yellow posted...

Customer support

Dear Jamie,

That is actually not correct.

The doll will synchronize patience, sexual libido and sexual memory with the user.

if the user only has sex with the doll, for example, penetration only and 1-2 minutes per session. The memory of the doll will reduce and only sexual sounds will come from the doll.

There is no point that the doll has a conversation and tries to seduce the person if there is only penetration and it only lasts 2 minutes.

the personality of teh doll comes in a card, you can change the card easily. That card has the personality and also can basically mean you can add anything you like.

It has a raspberry inside. If you know how to program you can do anything. You can even use the doll to pair alexa, the phone, listen to music or have sex by pairing the speaker of the doll to your phone
and the other person is on the other phone. These are very simple things that can be done and that in our opinion increases the use of the doll.

you can see some videos of the last doll we sent this week. This is a versiojn 3. We currently sell for 4000 euro or 4700 USA dollars.

If I may ask, what is "actually not correct" here? You posted the response but not the questions you asked CS about.

But overall this makes a good deal more sense.
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Me

Hello, I've heard recently in certain news articles that your sex dolls can deny sexual advances. Can this functionality be toggled on and off? To what extent can personalities be customized?

Regards,
Jamie

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Well that would be a lot more sensible. If you just use your sex toy as a sex toy, it just acts like a sex toy. If you interact with it more, it will act more like a person. Works for me.
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I want pinnochio to **** my ****!