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FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 12:09:10 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/27/world/americas/venezuela-money-how-to-survive.html Rampant severe malnutrition in children, shortages of medication and tires and most basic necessities, completely worthless currency, stunted production in the industries where the workers seized the means of production, many people don't get to eat besides a single meal per day at the soup kitchen. Hyper inflationary socialist policies have tanked the currency's value to an absurd degree. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904058903] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/27/world/americas/venezuela-money-how-to-survive.html Rampant severe malnutrition in children, shortages of medication and tires and most basic necessities, completely worthless currency, stunted production in the industries where the workers seized the means of production, many people don't get to eat besides a single meal per day at the soup kitchen. Hyper inflationary socialist policies have tanked the currency's value to an absurd degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 06/27/18 12:13:12 PM #3:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY2S_brQbQ" data-time=" --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:904059156] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY2S_brQbQ" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/27/18 12:13:27 PM #4:	Isolated socialist failure 1012. Surely the next time we try it . . . --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904059171] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Isolated socialist failure 1012. Surely the next time we try it . . .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 06/27/18 12:21:20 PM #5:	inb4 averagejoel insists all of Venezuela's problems were caused by America and not their thoroughly corrupt socialist leadership. --- "Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:904059652] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>inb4 averagejoel insists all of Venezuela's problems were caused by America and not their thoroughly corrupt socialist leadership.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/27/18 12:24:07 PM #6:	Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:904059816] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 12:25:21 PM #7:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil it has a long history of enacting socialist policies and grinding to inevitable collapse. but i wouldnt expect you to be honest about that. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904059897] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil</quote> it has a long history of enacting socialist policies and grinding to inevitable collapse. but i wouldnt expect you to be honest about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 06/27/18 12:25:22 PM #8:	Fluffy, I think you're being a bit harsh. Sure everyone may live in squalor, but it's equal and fair because everyone lives in squalor. Isn't that better than a system where some people are poor, some people are middle class, some people are rich, etc.? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:904059898] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Fluffy, I think you're being a bit harsh. Sure everyone may live in squalor, but it's equal and fair because everyone lives in squalor. Isn't that better than a system where some people are poor, some people are middle class, some people are rich, etc.?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 12:25:59 PM #9:	DifferentialEquation posted... Fluffy, I think you're being a bit harsh. Sure everyone may live in squalor, but it's equal and fair because everyone lives in squalor. Isn't that better than a system where some people are poor, some people are middle class, some people are rich, etc.? You're right, now no one is being exploited for profit. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904059932] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Fluffy, I think you're being a bit harsh. Sure everyone may live in squalor, but it's equal and fair because everyone lives in squalor. Isn't that better than a system where some people are poor, some people are middle class, some people are rich, etc.?</quote> You're right, now no one is being exploited for profit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/27/18 12:26:42 PM #10:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil Also didn't help that the oil companies owned pretty much everything (schools, housing, stores) and then went under --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:904059981] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil</quote> Also didn't help that the oil companies owned pretty much everything (schools, housing, stores) and then went under</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/27/18 12:27:30 PM #11:	It's more of a warning against monopolies than socialism --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:904060029] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>It's more of a warning against monopolies than socialism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/27/18 12:28:19 PM #12:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil Their economy wouldn't be so dependent on oil prices if they weren't socialist . . . --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904060077] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Venezuela didn't go broke because of socialism, it went broke because oil prices crashed and their economy is almost completely dependant on oil</quote> Their economy wouldn't be so dependent on oil prices if they weren't socialist . . .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy462 06/27/18 12:29:04 PM #13:	I still dont get why some people want socialism so badly. --- Now hyped for: Pokemon Pikachu and Eevee Let's Go https://a4r91n.deviantart.com/art/Tovarischa-Fluttershy-477656032 <cite>Fluttershy462 posted [p:904060119] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>I still dont get why some people want socialism so badly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/27/18 12:29:51 PM #14:	HylianFox posted... It's more of a warning against monopolies than socialism Socialism is the ultimate monopoly . . . Jesus fucking Christ people. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904060159] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>It's more of a warning against monopolies than socialism</quote> Socialism is the ultimate monopoly . . . Jesus fucking Christ people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
J E S U S 06/27/18 12:30:31 PM #15:	If you have no drive to better yourself. Socialism is appealing --- imaginary <cite>J E S U S posted [p:904060193] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>If you have no drive to better yourself. Socialism is appealing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 06/27/18 12:31:39 PM #16:	It wasn't ~~REAL~~ socialism though. /s --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:904060247] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>It wasn't REAL socialism though. /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 12:41:04 PM #19:	Simple Google search: After Hugo Chvez officially took office in February 1999, several policy changes involving the country's oil industry were made to explicitly tie it to the state under his Bolivarian Revolution. Since then, PDVSA has not demonstrated any capability to bring new oil fields onstream since nationalizing heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Petroleum Belt formerly operated by international oil companies ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron and Total. Chvezs policies damaged Venezuela's oil industry due to lack of investment, corruption and cash shortages.[27][28] The Chvez government used PDVSA resources to fund social programmes, treating it like a "piggybank",[29] and PDVSA staff were required to support Chvez. His social policies resulted in overspending[26][30][31] that caused shortages in Venezuela and allowed the inflation rate to grow to one of the highest rates in the world.[32][33][34] According to Corrales and Penfold, "Chvez was not the first president in Venezuelan history to be mesmerized by the promise of oil, but he was the one who allowed the sector to decline the most", with most statistics showing deterioration of the industry since the beginning of his presidency.[35] Chvez's successor, Nicols Maduro, continued much of the policies created by Chvez, with Venezuela further deteriorating as a result of continuing such policies.[26][30][31][36] End Google search. Note that this is just one example of the socialists seizing an entire industry in Venezuela and then collapsing it. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904060754] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Simple Google search: After Hugo Chvez officially took office in February 1999, several policy changes involving the country's oil industry were made to explicitly tie it to the state under his Bolivarian Revolution. Since then, PDVSA has not demonstrated any capability to bring new oil fields onstream since nationalizing heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Petroleum Belt formerly operated by international oil companies ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron and Total. Chvezs policies damaged Venezuela's oil industry due to lack of investment, corruption and cash shortages.[27][28] The Chvez government used PDVSA resources to fund social programmes, treating it like a "piggybank",[29] and PDVSA staff were required to support Chvez. His social policies resulted in overspending[26][30][31] that caused shortages in Venezuela and allowed the inflation rate to grow to one of the highest rates in the world.[32][33][34] According to Corrales and Penfold, "Chvez was not the first president in Venezuelan history to be mesmerized by the promise of oil, but he was the one who allowed the sector to decline the most", with most statistics showing deterioration of the industry since the beginning of his presidency.[35] Chvez's successor, Nicols Maduro, continued much of the policies created by Chvez, with Venezuela further deteriorating as a result of continuing such policies.[26][30][31][36] End Google search. Note that this is just one example of the socialists seizing an entire industry in Venezuela and then collapsing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 06/27/18 12:44:10 PM #20:	what a surprise, a state put all its eggs in one basket and then violently repressed anyone who suggested it was a bad idea, all while the leaders were getting rich what a fucking surprise that it failed <cite>treewojima posted [p:904060919] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>what a surprise, a state put all its eggs in one basket and then violently repressed anyone who suggested it was a bad idea, all while the leaders were getting rich what a fucking surprise that it failed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMegaMawile 06/27/18 12:45:04 PM #21:	socialism has nothing to do with socialism <cite>MrMegaMawile posted [p:904060979] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>socialism has nothing to do with socialism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 12:53:29 PM #22:	This isn't an example of poor diversification. It's an example of what socialism does. Communists literally tank economies. The same thing would happen in America and every other country. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904061439] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>This isn't an example of poor diversification. It's an example of what socialism does. Communists literally tank economies. The same thing would happen in America and every other country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Verdekal 06/27/18 12:59:20 PM #24:	Maybe they should call it ANTI-socialism!? Huh? HUH?? --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:904061783] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Maybe they should call it ANTI-socialism!? Huh? HUH??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/27/18 1:00:14 PM #25:	Venezuela is so broke right now --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:904061826] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Venezuela is so broke right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/27/18 1:06:20 PM #26:	Is there a version of this "article" that isn't an overcooked slideshow? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:904062148] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Is there a version of this "article" that isn't an overcooked slideshow?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 1:10:20 PM #27:	Godnorgosh posted... Rich country featuring class stratification, private enterprise, currency and a central banking system = A shining example of the successes of capitalism Poor country featuring class stratification, private enterprise, currency and a central banking system = Socialism! Capitalist countries don't nationalize entire industries and seize private property / private companies to give to the workers. Venezuela has been a socialist country for a long time. Run by socialists who openly stated their adherence to socialist visions and goals. And they actively implemented the same policies you openly wish we would implement here. IE seize the means of production, give workers total control, nationalize entire industries, heavily fund social programs with all of the profit, oppose capital and private property as concepts, etc. It is in no way a capitalist country. If it was it wouldn't have run into these issues. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904062369] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Rich country featuring class stratification, private enterprise, currency and a central banking system = A shining example of the successes of capitalism Poor country featuring class stratification, private enterprise, currency and a central banking system = Socialism!</quote> Capitalist countries don't nationalize entire industries and seize private property / private companies to give to the workers. Venezuela has been a socialist country for a long time. Run by socialists who openly stated their adherence to socialist visions and goals. And they actively implemented the same policies you openly wish we would implement here. IE seize the means of production, give workers total control, nationalize entire industries, heavily fund social programs with all of the profit, oppose capital and private property as concepts, etc. It is in no way a capitalist country. If it was it wouldn't have run into these issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 1:10:45 PM #28:	Questionmarktarius posted... Is there a version of this "article" that isn't an overcooked slideshow? Not as far as I can tell :( But there've been other news sources that wrote articles on the same stuff in the last few months. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904062391] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a version of this "article" that isn't an overcooked slideshow?</quote> Not as far as I can tell :( But there've been other news sources that wrote articles on the same stuff in the last few months.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 06/27/18 1:11:46 PM #29:	These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:904062454] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 06/27/18 1:11:55 PM #30:	Not real socialism! --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:904062464] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Not real socialism!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 1:15:51 PM #31:	AlephZero posted... These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders I'd pay big money to hear Sanders blubber up an explanation on what happened lmao --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904062674] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders</quote> I'd pay big money to hear Sanders blubber up an explanation on what happened lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/27/18 1:23:15 PM #32:	MrMegaMawile posted... socialism has nothing to do with socialism <3 <cite>Romes187 posted [p:904063091] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMegaMawile posted...</cite> <quote>socialism has nothing to do with socialism</quote> <3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/27/18 1:25:11 PM #33:	AlephZero posted... These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . . --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:904063210] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders</quote> Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 1:27:08 PM #34:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... AlephZero posted... These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . . a broken clock is right twice a day --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904063331] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders</quote> Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . .</quote> a broken clock is right twice a day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 06/27/18 1:40:22 PM #36:	Godnorgosh posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Capitalist countries don't nationalize entire industries and seize private property / private companies to give to the workers. Which is exactly what Venezuela did not do. The state seized the means of production without worker control ever becoming part of the equation. demonstrably wrong. go read the earlier posts and look at the link i shared. you're really dishonest. stop ignoring without conceding the points you know you cant refute btw --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904064065] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalist countries don't nationalize entire industries and seize private property / private companies to give to the workers.</quote> Which is exactly what Venezuela did not do. The state seized the means of production without worker control ever becoming part of the equation.</quote> demonstrably wrong. go read the earlier posts and look at the link i shared. you're really dishonest. stop ignoring without conceding the points you know you cant refute btw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 06/27/18 1:57:16 PM #38:	FLUFFYGERM posted... This isn't an example of poor diversification. It's an example of what socialism does. Communists literally tank economies. The same thing would happen in America and every other country. Venezuela put all the eggs in one basket and then the basket broke. That's not a socialist problem, that's a he was fucking stupid problem. America went through something similar with the subprime lending problem and it was solved by enacting a socialized program. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:904065104] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This isn't an example of poor diversification. It's an example of what socialism does. Communists literally tank economies. The same thing would happen in America and every other country.</quote> Venezuela put all the eggs in one basket and then the basket broke. That's not a socialist problem, that's a he was fucking stupid problem. America went through something similar with the subprime lending problem and it was solved by enacting a socialized program.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 06/27/18 1:58:19 PM #39:	are these issues inherent to Socialism itself, or just this implementation of it? ie could these woes be explained by corruption? do you think this one example is definitive proof that any and all Socialist implementations will have the same result? --- Playing: Doom (2016); Superhot; Dark Souls: Remaster *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:904065175] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>are these issues inherent to Socialism itself, or just this implementation of it? ie could these woes be explained by corruption? do you think this one example is definitive proof that any and all Socialist implementations will have the same result?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMegaMawile 06/27/18 2:00:03 PM #40:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... AlephZero posted... These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . . exactly, i'm all for social democracy as it's practiced in countries like norway, but this goes way too fucking far this guy doesn't know when to keep his fucking mouth shut, he won't be winning elections like this <cite>MrMegaMawile posted [p:904065292] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. - Bernie "Sandman" Sanders</quote> Bernie has some good ideas, like taxing high frequency trading but then he has to go and say shit like that . . .</quote> exactly, i'm all for social democracy as it's practiced in countries like norway, but this goes way too fucking far this guy doesn't know when to keep his fucking mouth shut, he won't be winning elections like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/27/18 2:01:09 PM #41:	HylianFox posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY2S_brQbQ" data-time=" Aloha! Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfgvS0FA7U" data-time=" But that video is not for you, because you'll never watch it. It's for folks who like some good comedy wrapped about a presentation concerning a specific problem. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:904065348] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJY2S_brQbQ" data-time="</quote> Aloha! Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfgvS0FA7U" data-time=" But that video is not for you, because you'll never watch it. It's for folks who like some good comedy wrapped about a presentation concerning a specific problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 06/27/18 2:03:50 PM #43:	Well it's definitely worse than Libertarian Mexico. Still neither economic policy works. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904065516] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>Well it's definitely worse than Libertarian Mexico. Still neither economic policy works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 06/28/18 5:30:23 AM #44:	A lot of oil-rich nations have nationalized oil industries. Saudi Arabia in particular comes to mind. Does anyone in Venezuela even have a say over how the government operates, or is it just another typical authoritarian populist state? <cite>treewojima posted [p:904110942] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>A lot of oil-rich nations have nationalized oil industries. Saudi Arabia in particular comes to mind. Does anyone in Venezuela even have a say over how the government operates, or is it just another typical authoritarian populist state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 06/28/18 5:35:57 AM #45:	of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state. <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:904111051] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 06/28/18 6:08:03 AM #46:	kayoticdreamz posted... of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state. If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing. <cite>treewojima posted [p:904111771] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state.</quote> If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KobeSystem 06/28/18 7:10:37 AM #47:	treewojima posted... kayoticdreamz posted... of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state. If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing. Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work --- http://www.last.fm/user/KobeSystem92 \| https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725087214401671170/02UGgybe_400x400.jpg WIN SEXANGELS GREATKERZ <cite>KobeSystem posted [p:904113139] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state.</quote> If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing.</quote> Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 06/28/18 8:06:25 AM #48:	KobeSystem posted... treewojima posted... kayoticdreamz posted... of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state. If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing. Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work this in all our socialist states that go on long enough in the past 100 years, they all devolve into this. socialism is authoritarian. and it's not even just having an authoritarian leader, its the dictators that have killed many millions in the past 100 years yet socialist keep saying "if only we can do it the right way then that won't happen" like how many more "right ways" do you liberals need? and how many more millions must die in the name of socialism before we see it is pure shit? <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:904114552] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>KobeSystem posted...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>of course half this board is defending this as not a failed socialist state.</quote> If the people don't own the state or the means of production, can it really be considered socialist? It's like putting lipstick on a pig; you may as well take advice from Kim Jong Un on how to run a "democratic people's republic." Chavez, Maduro and his ilk are just populist authoritarian shitheads. Call me when their political opponents stop mysteriously disappearing.</quote> Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work</quote> this in all our socialist states that go on long enough in the past 100 years, they all devolve into this. socialism is authoritarian. and it's not even just having an authoritarian leader, its the dictators that have killed many millions in the past 100 years yet socialist keep saying "if only we can do it the right way then that won't happen" like how many more "right ways" do you liberals need? and how many more millions must die in the name of socialism before we see it is pure shit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HagenEx 06/28/18 8:11:16 AM #49:	So many clueless people ITT. I won't even bother (I live in Venezuela). --- The side of the fence that we climb determines who's afraid <cite>HagenEx posted [p:904114703] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote>So many clueless people ITT. I won't even bother (I live in Venezuela).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/28/18 9:47:34 AM #50:	KobeSystem posted... Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work Every form of government eventually decays back to feudalism. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:904117907] in What life ... [t:76755306]...</cite> <quote><cite>KobeSystem posted...</cite> <quote>Im drunk but even I can see that. But maybe thats why socialism sucks. Cuz people suck and will abuse their power? It always seems to devolve in authoritarianism. Maybe if we were a hive mind then socialism would work</quote> Every form of government eventually decays back to feudalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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